Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione/Spider Road Tests Thread


The great Italian marque returns to the U.S. with the 2008 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione.

Balocco, Italy — There is certainly a natural gap between a car's presentation and its final launch. But this time, we had to wait more than four years. And we've been a bit uncertain as well: When Alfa Romeo showed the concept car 8c Competizione (initially with a small "c") at the Frankfurt auto show back in 2003, there wasn't even a production plan — just catching attention to camouflage another brand crisis.

In fact, the worldwide reaction to the 8C (for otto cilindri) has been overwhelming and Alfa finally decided to bring the 2-seater supercar to the road. The series version was displayed in Paris in late 2006 and will be delivered to its first European owners as you read this. U.S. customers will follow in mid-2008, but only 90 cars will be shipped over for the year.

Waiting time didn't harm the fascination at all: Here it is, the first real sports Alfa in a long time, with a convincing technical layout, sheer power, stunning proportions and fascinating styling. Just look at the dynamic presentation of the A-pillars, or the round taillights reminiscent of the glorious TZ of the 1960s. No doubt, the 8C is purebred, a well-balanced mixture of Alfa's design DNA and modern elements like LED foglights. Admire the paint, feel the materials and realize a build quality that is exceptionally good (something we couldn't say about every Alfa in the past).

Within, one will find hardly any plastic, but carbon fiber, alloy and lots of leather. Fit and finish are first-rate. The 8C seat shells (we know them from the Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12) are also made of carbon fiber, and Alfa offers three different sizes for a custom fit. Once in place, there's comfort and enough space for two people. Outward vision is good, but luggage space must have been an afterthought: Opening the rear hatch, you will see that for reasons of balance, the fuel tank blocks most of the trunk from the axle forward. To reduce the pain, Alfa offers a special set of fitted Schedoni luggage, matching the chosen interior colors, of course. And there are loads of other options, as well.

Anything to wish for? Keys, please! Kindly, Alfa welcomed us at its traditional test track in Balocco, Italy. Right then, the first thing the 8C driver realizes is that there is neither a gearshift lever nor a handbrake. All such activities are controlled by buttons in the lower center console or, driving in manual mode, by two big paddles fixed to the steering column.

No ignition key also, as one starts the engine by pushbutton. The reaction is a moaning roar that not only affects the driver's skin, but will serve as a wake-up call for your neighbors. Ah, but what an awesome sound to wake up to.

So off we go: In the first moments, the steering wheel seems too big, though one will get used to it as it allows quicker directional changes.

The 8C is a precise driving instrument, following the pilot's orders immediately. Changing gears manually is fun as well: In Sport mode, the Magneti Marelli system (Ferrari uses the same on the F430 and 599 Fiorano) operates even faster (0.2 instead of 0.4 second), while downshifts are accompanied by perfect blips of revs.

All this performance gives great confidence, and we get faster with every lap. Stunt drivers won't miss the handbrake, as the 8C doesn't need that kind of cornering support: Just use the right foot! Oversteer can easily be provoked, especially with stability and traction controls switched off. The 8C is a great drifting machine, but that's not the fastest way around a corner. So use all the track, steer sensitively, accelerate with care — and you will realize how quick the 8C really is.

We clocked 0–60 mph in 4.2 seconds and covered the quarter mile in 12.4 sec. at 115.4 mph. Driving for only a few hours, we got a rough idea about the 8C's fantastic balance and dynamic potential (it pulls 1.02g in lateral acceleration), and it is certainly among the best rear-wheel-drive cars we've ever tested.

And one of the best in sound too: At over 4000 revs, bypass flaps in the exhaust system change the roar to an open-air concert; using the radio at this time can be considered a criminal offense. Equally impressive as the sound was the 8C's stopping power, setting an R&T best from 60–0 mph of just 105 ft.

As the 8C delivers what has been promised, we don't doubt the official Alfa figures except one — the top speed. It is listed at 181 mph, but this is probably false to keep a certain respectful distance from Ferrari. Off the record, we have been told the 8C gets close to 190 mph...

So is this coupe a true Alfa? We believe so. Yes, it has a modified Maserati engine aka Ferrari F430 power unit, but so what? Did anyone complain about the BMW power in McLaren's F1? Also keep in mind that Alfa was founded back in 1910, while the Trident came 16 years later. Not to mention the Cavallino Rampante starting only in 1947. Today, all these dreamworks belong to the same Fiat enterprise.

The Italians have created a legitimate sports coupe and a serious alternative to Aston Martins, BMWs and Porsches. It's a genuine GT with excellent comfort on the open road as well. Knowing that the Italian brand still resounds in the U.S., we sense there is certainly a lot of potential for Alfa Romeo's North American revival. Without a doubt, the 8C will prepare the public for other (less expensive) Alfa models to come. The sadness might be that you missed ordering this stunning flagship at this time.

But here's your second chance — Alfa just announced it will build 500 versions of the 8C Spider in 2009. If you can afford it, we strongly recommend you put your order in today!


ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Road Test: 2008 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione (1/2008)


Anatomy of the Alfa 8C

The name sounds good; it was used for those wonderful Vittorio Jano-designed racing and sports cars from the 1930s that won the Mille Miglia, the Targa Florio and many other famous races. It also brings up memories of twin-overhead camshafts, superchargers and straight-8 engines of the pre-World War II era.

The new 8C Competizione 2-passenger coupe was first exhibited as a concept car at the Frankfurt motor show in 2003, and Alfa Romeo developed and nursed it for more than four tantalizing years before initiating production. Why so long? Probably for commercial and marketing reasons, as the 8C Competizione's beautiful and exciting coupe body, born in Alfa's own styling studio, hides what is for all intents and purposes a further developed Maserati Coupe.

It is, however, notably more compact, measuring 5.7 in. less in overall length compared to the Maserati. It is based on the same platform and same powertrain as the Maserati, including an evolution of its engine, but with an increased displacement and more power and torque. Only its model name "Competizione" is misleading, as the 8C has not been designed or developed for racing. It is a road car, fast and furious, but purely a road car.

A rigid structure is essential for a fast sports car because sensitive, agile and safe handling largely depends on the interaction of the front and rear running gear. This is why the 8C uses the Maserati's strongly built steel platform with a steel upper structure designed to achieve a very high torsional rigidity. It also forms the structural base for its carbon-fiber body, this combination having been chosen for its light weight, ensuring a low center of gravity and an excellent compatibility with the car's limited production.

Its lines are smooth and elegant, the result of cooperation between stylists and aerodynamicists. The flat underpan, whose rear part smoothly rises to form a diffuser, is said to create little drag while generating some downforce. This helps the car's stability at high speeds and through fast bends, though no precise downforce figures are given.

The wheelbase is identical with the Maserati's, but the 62.6-in. front and rear tracks are slightly different, presumably because of the different offset of the larger and wider light alloy wheels (20 x 9J front and 20 x 10½J rear), carrying specially developed 245/35 and 285/35 tires, respectively.

As befits a true sports car, the front and rear suspensions are aluminum double wishbones with an anti-roll bar, the rear suspension completed by a track-control link providing some bump toe-in to avoid oversteer in the transient phase of cornering. Aluminum wheel carriers also contribute to reducing unsprung weight in the interest of both handling and ride comfort. ABS and ESP are naturally standard equipment, but the shock absorbers are devoid of any electronic control. Braking is by generous vented front and rear steel discs of 14.2-in. and 13.0-in. diameters, respectively, and steering is by a hydraulically assisted rack-and-pinion system.

Balance is essential in a sports car and to achieve this, the 8C power unit is mounted entirely behind the front-wheel axis. The 6-speed sequential gearbox is moved to the rear where it forms a transaxle unit with the ZF limited-slip differential. The clutch remains with the engine, and its housing is connected to the transaxle by a rigid tube that contains the propeller shaft. It follows that the engine and the entire transmission form one single unit, supported at its front end at engine level and at the rear at transaxle level, a distance almost as great as the wheelbase. Thanks to this, even with soft noise- and vibration-absorbing front and rear supports, the torque reaction causes only minimum movement of the engine and driveline, even under hard acceleration.

The all-aluminum 90-degree V-8 engine has twin overhead camshafts per cylinder bank, driven by a single space-saving chain, four valves per cylinder and dry-sump lubrication. It is certainly what could be expected from Alfa Romeo in the best tradition of the make. Bore and stroke dimensions of 94.0 x 84.5 mm result in a capacity of 4.7 liters (4691 cc). To help meet current European and American emissions requirements while achieving the best possible performance, variable intake camshaft timing helps the engine produce 450 bhp at 7000 rpm (with a 7500-rpm redline). Maximum torque is 354 lb.-ft. at only 4750 rpm, of which 80 percent is available in a rising curve from 2000 rpm.

Although the powerplant is also a close relative of the Ferrari 430 engine, its 5-bearing crankshaft is of the conventional 90-degree type for complete balance of first- and second-order forces. All the pressurized oil passages are part of the cylinder block and head castings, with no external lines, while the dry-sump oil system — its tank has a capacity of 10.5 liters (2.77 gal.) — ensures efficient lubrication even under the highest cornering forces. Additionally, together with the small diameter of the low-inertia twin-disc clutch, the flat crankcase bottom has made it possible to place the engine very low in the chassis for a low overall center of gravity.

To make the best use of the engine's sporting characteristics, the fully synchronized 6-speed transaxle is operated electronically and can be used in the manual mode or in the adaptive automatic mode. Both have the choice of Normal operation ensuring smooth shifts, or Sport operation ensuring extremely rapid shifts at higher revs. Operation in the manual mode is by fixed paddle stalks behind the steering wheel, and it can also be used to override the automatic mode. There is no selector lever; the operating mode as well as the selection of Park, Neutral and Reverse positions are obtained by pushbuttons on the horizontal part of the central console.

The interior appointments are both elegant and businesslike, with well contoured carbon-fiber sport seats and optional fitted luggage. The high-placed instrument cluster facing the driver is dominated by a large tachometer and speedometer. The transmission being robotized, there is no clutch pedal and unfortunately the brake pedal has not been extended to the left, as left-foot-braking addicts would wish. Many details of the interior trim are left to the choice of the customer.

All in all, the 8C Competizione is a most impressive car continuing a legendary name.


ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Anatomy of the Alfa 8C (1/2008)



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EVO: Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione

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It's an Alfa like no other, and not just because it’s built by Maserati…

Imagine SEAT developing and launching a £110,000 supercar, or picture a 450bhp carbonfibre coupe nestling alongside a Clio 197 in a Renault showroom. It just wouldn’t work. Nobody would stroll past their Porsche or Aston dealership and slap down a six-figure cheque for a car built by such mainstream manufacturers. Somehow though, Alfa Romeo – purveyor of some true abominations over the years, let’s not forget – still has the magic to sell-out its production run for the 8C Competizione more than twice over in the space of 14 days.

That’s exactly what happened at the Paris Auto Salon in 2006, where the production version of the 8C was shown for the first time, where over 1200 customers put their names in the order book. As you read this, the first of the 500 chosen ones will be receiving their 8C. It’s a special car all right…

You only have to look at the 8C to understand why it’s worth every penny of £111,000 to those 500 individuals. It’s a stunning shape. I know these things are subjective, but I’ve yet to meet anyone who doesn’t go slightly weak-kneed when you mention the 8C. And in the glorious carbon, with sun glistening down its flanks and rolling across its sweeping bonnet, any niggling doubts that it treads dangerously close to pastiche are rendered utterly ridiculous. It’s jaw-dropping.

It gets better when you hear the 4.7-litre V8, too. The way it snaps into life with a sharp stab of revs and settles to a bassy, dense idle is reminiscent of a Vanquish. Despite being four cylinders down on the Aston it actually sounds even fiercer – the tight howl a million miles away from the mellow, easy-going note you often associate with V8s. Prod the throttle and the engine snarls as the revs soar, then the exhausts pop and bang as they die away. Maybe that ‘Competizione’ tag isn’t just a sop to the marketing department.

So what is the 8C? Well, in essence it’s a bitza. But it’s a bitza of undeniably noble stock. The engine is similar to that of the Maserati Quattroporte/GranTurismo (meaning it’s built at the Ferrari factory), but it’s been bored and stroked to 4.7 litres and punches out 450bhp at 7000rpm. Expect to see it in future Maseratis, and perhaps the new ‘baby’ front-engined V8 Ferrari. The engine drives through a six-speed paddleshift transaxle ’box (the engine is behind the front axle, the box just ahead of the rear axle, thus concentrating all the masses within the wheelbase). The double-wishbone suspension shares its basic architecture with the Quattroporte (although the 8C is much shorter in wheelbase), but with 8C-specific bushes, geometry and springs and dampers. Interestingly, Alfa chose to ditch the ‘Skyhook’ adaptive dampers to give the 8C a more ‘mechanical’ feel.

The structure itself is made up of a steel central floor section with stressed carbonfibre bonded to the metal to make up the passenger cell. Steel subframes at the front and rear support the engine, ’box and suspension. The body panels are also carbonfibre, helping keep the 8C’s weight down to 1585kg. Not exactly a flyweight, but impressive considering the (admittedly larger) Maserati GranTurismo is a whopping 1880kg. It must be a bit galling for the Modenese manufacturer, which actually builds the 8C alongside its own, less exotically constructed range.

So it’s an Alfa in name, and in the sense that it was designed at Alfa Centro Stile in Arese and honed by Alfa’s own chassis engineers on their own test tracks and at the Nürburgring. However, its engine is built by Ferrari (good), and it’s pieced together by Maserati (not so good, although much better than it used to be). Confused? Don’t be, for what counts is that it’s a fully resolved and painfully desirable coupe…

Swing open the carbon-skinned door and you’re treated to a cabin that pushes all the buttons that an Italian coupe should. It’s clean and stylish, uses the finest materials (carbonfibre and aluminium) and has lavish, indulgent details wherever you look. You don’t really drink all this in – the pull is too great – and before you know it you’re sitting in the carbon-shelled seat, pressing the starter button and firing the big V8 into life. Sitting here behind that gorgeous carbon-topped three-spoke steering wheel, the view ahead framed by the curve of the voluptuous wings, the 4.7-litre V8’s impatient idle gently fizzing through the seat, the 8C Competizione feels truly unique.

Hit the ‘Sport’ button, opening baffles in the exhaust so you can hear the V8 even better, sharpening throttle response and giving you total responsibility for gearshifts (in the default mode the ’box will execute upshifts when you hit the limiter) and the 8C is primed and ready.

The steering feels heavy, a little sticky, perhaps. Immediately you sense it’s not going to be a writhing, communicative instrument to help tease the 8C up to its limits. The ride is plain hard, distancing the Alfa from the Maserati GranTurismo, or indeed an Audi R8. The 8C feels like it’s set up for ultimate body control rather than a supple and subtle ride. I’m heartened by this – the 8C is a compact (think Aston V8 Vantage), two-seater sports car and it feels like it. I’m sure it’d cross continents easily enough, but first impressions suggest it’s no fuzzy-edged GT.

The automated manual ’box works smoothly enough, but driving the 8C just a couple of days after the Ferrari 430 Scuderia at eCoty, I can’t help being a little disappointed by the speed (or lack thereof) of the gearshifts. In ‘Sport’ mode the shift time is 0.2sec, compared with 60 milliseconds (0.06sec!) for the Scuderia. Nevertheless, the ’box certainly doesn’t spoil the 8C experience and the paddle-shift system adds to the sense that the 8C is a hardcore drivers’ car.

We’re only permitted to drive the 8C on Alfa’s Balocco test track, which should suit the 8C perfectly. It’s quite narrow but very smooth, although with lots of tricky transitions and fast-entry, slow-exit corners, Balocco is a stern test of any car’s composure and traction. On the initial sighting laps the 8C feels terrific: the front end is responsive and the steering quick and accurate – despite a lack of genuine feel. Traction through the 8C-specific 285/35 ZR20 P Zero rubber is strong, and the big V8 feels superb, punching hard at low revs and building into an intense rush as the needle pushes towards the 7500rpm cut-out.

The delivery isn’t explosive and you’d need a peachy launch (and maybe a downhill slope) to match Alfa’s 4.2sec claim for the 0-62mph benchmark, but the 8C has long legs and it’s easy to believe the claimed 181mph top speed (in tests at Nardo it actually reached 186mph). However, all is not quite as the hard-ride and wonderfully rorty exhaust would have you believe. Push harder and the body control starts to unravel, body- roll building quite rapidly and getting more exaggerated as each curve unfolds.

Switch off the DSC (which is quite tolerant in ‘Sport’, though I never found it willing to allow mild oversteer slides as Alfa insisted it would) and you start to uncover more surprises. There’s quite a lot of turn-in understeer, which builds progressively as you steer towards the apex. Stay on the power and as the corner opens out the balance shifts and the rear tyres point the front back onto your chosen line and then edge wide, requiring decisive correction. It’s fun, but there isn’t quite the mechanical grip you expect and the body-roll is frustrating – especially when you consider the unyielding ride quality.

This isn’t to say the 8C isn’t capable; it just demands you adapt your style to suit. Wipe off a bit more speed before a corner, turn in within the limits of the grip, let the car settle on its springs and then start to load up the rear tyres with torque. Now there is no understeer and you can sense the rear tyres just starting to break away. Measure the throttle accurately and you can dance the 8C right on the edge of adhesion, rear just edging wide but requiring no correction, a bit of wheelspin keeping the engine right in the sweet- spot as you hit the next straight.

You can play the hooligan, of course. Adopt the slow-in technique and then get a bit brutal with the throttle and the tail quickly swings wide. It’s easy to hold there thanks to the V8’s broad power- band and the way thumping torque melds seamlessly into big horsepower. Trying to gather up the slide isn’t quite so easy, though. It’s that body-roll that’s the problem again, the stored-up inertia meaning most slides end with a slightly clumsy bobble as the suspension takes a few fractions to prop the body upright again.

So the 8C Competizione isn’t the dynamic match of the freakishly talented Audi R8. And despite its fast road/racetrack focus it’s nowhere near as tactile, controlled or grippy as a GT3. But it’s still an intoxicating car. It feels like an Aston V8 Vantage rival and is even more special to be around. It’s more expensive, but undeniably more exclusive (although there will be a further 500 Spyder versions built), has the performance edge and is probably marginally the more exciting drive. If Alfa could tie the body down a bit more securely and find a way to beef up the impressive-looking but fade-prone brakes, the 8C Competizione would be even better. But even with some dynamic foibles it’s still a mighty desirable coupe.

It could even go racing in the GT3 category next year. Wonder if they’ll build an 8C Competizione RS…
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Motor Trend - First Test: 2009 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione

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Runway Model: Don't Let the Carbon-Fiber Haute Couture Fool You. This Fashionista Can't Help but Make a Scene.


If the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione never stirred a tire, it would draw a crowd. Somebody might even try to frame it. Likewise, if the 8C simply revved its 4.7L, Ferrari-based V-8 behind a curtain, it would draw a crowd -- a few probably offering to pay to meet the hidden opera tenor.

Future owners, take note: Do not even think of driving this Alfa unless you're having a good hair day.

It was well over a year ago that I had the opportunity to sample this attention-snatching exotic in Italy, though my wheel time was limited to laps on a rain-soaked circuit with an Alfa Romeo handler riding shotgun (i.e., playing Slip 'n Slide was out). Nonetheless, even driven gingerly the 8C revealed an overwhelming charisma, emitting an exhaust note worthy of the Mulsanne Straight and wowing me with the artistry of its carbon-fiber bodywork and aluminum-trimmed cabin. Even then, months before the car's European launch and further ahead of its late-2008 on-sale date stateside, all 500 copies had already been sold-for more than $230,000 each.

The 8C you see here is one of just 85 or so scheduled to arrive on our shores (the first Alfas to be offered in America in 14 years), and MT managed to be first in line for an instrumented U.S. test. This time, though our track was dry, Slip 'n Slide was most certainly on the agenda.

Fire up the 8C with its pushbutton starter and that operatic V-8 thumps into an idle note you'll mistake for nothing else. The tone is lower and throatier than a Ferrari's, louder and more electrifying than a ZR1's. Though the V-8 is based on the 4.7L unit used in the S variants of the Maserati Quattroporte and GranTurismo, it receives a dry sump and unique Alfa heads; output climbs to 450 horsepower at 7000 rpm. The engine is mounted entirely behind the front axle, while the rear transaxle for the standard six-speed auto-clutch manual sits ahead of the rear axle-helping to achieve perfect 50/50 front/rear weight distribution.


Full Story: Motor Trend - First Test: 2009 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione


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Quick Spin: Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione proves beauty is only skin deep

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You've been invited to the Playboy Mansion for their annual Halloween party. You arrive, grab a flute of bubbly, get introduced to the crusty remains of Hugh Heffner and after a few minutes lay eyes on the most beautiful specimen of redheaded femininity the world has ever seen. You fight your knees from buckling, walk over and give it the ol' college try. Miraculously, you hit it off. She's entertaining, interesting and a joy to see and be seen with. One thing leads to another and you make your way upstairs into one of Heff's exotically appointed love dens.

You're ready to embark on one of the most pleasurable experiences of your life when... there's no spark. No connection. No chemistry. You use every trick in the book to make things work, but to no avail. Despite her arsenal of attributes, this exquisite example of sensuality just doesn't "do it" for you.

If you can understand that scenario, then you can understand our brief, uninspiring stint with the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione.

The 8C has been around long enough that you already know what matters. It's stunning, perfectly proportioned and should only be available in one color: Competition Red. Beneath its achingly gorgeous carbon fiber exterior you'll find the same platform that underpins the Maserati Gran Turismo, along with a dry-sump 4.7-liter V8 hand assembled by Ferrari. A six-speed sequential gearbox channels the bent eight's 450 horsepower (at 7,000 RPM) and 354 pound-feet of torque (at 4,750 RPM) to a limited slip differential nestled between the rear wheels, delivering a claimed 0-60 MPH sprint of 4.2 seconds and a top speed over 180 MPH.
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Well no one has ever claimed that the 8C is a bench mark from a performance point of view, so autoblog are just stating the obvious. This car is all about beauty and exclusivity.
 
I've seen this car in real life on a Autoshow. I dont know if it was all the lightning but the car does look better on pics than it did in real life. Which i strange.
 
Evo (I think it was Evo) said that the Spider is much better to drive, which is quite strange.
 
Evo (I think it was Evo) said that the Spider is much better to drive, which is quite strange.

The extra weight giving the car more stability? Who knows.

What I know for sure is that this car will still insanely desirable even if it drives like an old Fiat.
 
This thing is massively beautiful!

And lets face it for all the day 365 days of the year spent off the track, it's perfect.
 
That car was handicapped for the sake of it's cousin..the F430.

I guess we'll have to wait for the rumored GTA version for a more thrilling drive.
 
And there's one more problem: While the design of its body is absolutely amazing, the interior suffers from a pretty mean quality perception. Somehow a typical Alfa to me... :eusa_thin
 
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That's sad news. Would really love to see an 8C successor. Just look at this gorgeous beauty!
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Alfa Romeo Automobiles S.p.A. is an Italian luxury car manufacturer and a subsidiary of Stellantis Italy. It was founded on 24 June 1910 in Milan, Italy, as A.L.F.A., an acronym for Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili. The brand is known for sport-oriented vehicles and has been involved in car racing since 1911. As of 2023, it is a subsidiary of the multinational automotive manufacturing corporation Stellantis.
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