Fiat Automobiles S.p.A.; originally FIAT, (Italian: Fabbrica Italiana Automobili di Torino; lit. 'Italian Automobiles Factory of Turin') is an Italian automobile manufacturer, founded in 1899 and formerly part of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. It is a subsidiary of Stellantis since 2021 through its Italian division. Also owned by Stellantis, Abarth & C. S.p.A. is an Italian racing and road-car maker and performance division founded by Italo-Austrian Carlo Abarth in 1949.
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EnI
Piston Pioneer
What's that with all the 500-family expansion with van & now with SUV/crossover? 
I don't get it.
It's like VW would "SUVed" or "VANned" the Beetle.
It makes sense in MINI case though. Why? Because it's a SEPARATE & INDEPENDENT BRAND, not just a retro model (or sub-brand) of some bigger regular brand. As it's the case with VW Beetle, Fiat 500 - both are just retro models within the core brand.
I don't get it. It's like VW would "SUVed" or "VANned" the Beetle.
It makes sense in MINI case though. Why? Because it's a SEPARATE & INDEPENDENT BRAND, not just a retro model (or sub-brand) of some bigger regular brand. As it's the case with VW Beetle, Fiat 500 - both are just retro models within the core brand.
*What's that with all the 500-family expansion with van & now with SUV/crossover?
It's like VW would "SUVed" or "VANned" the Beetle.
It makes sense in MINI case though. Why? Because it's a SEPARATE & INDEPENDENT BRAND, not just a retro model (or sub-brand) of some bigger regular brand. As it's the case with VW Beetle, Fiat 500 - both are just retro models within the core brand.
LOL
It makes sense just because Mini is BMW, and everything what BMW makes has sense and is right. Who says Fiat won't make "500" a new brand just like Citroen wishes to do "DS" a new brand of BMW did "MINI" a new brand ? Mini was never a brand but just a model of BMC, Morris Mini Minor, then Austin Mini.
EnI
Piston Pioneer
DS is just a new family of cars. More premium one. The DS cars still wear Citroen nameplate & badge though.
So does the 500 wear Fiat name & badge. What could possibly happen in the future , or what was in the past... that's not the point here. Right now MINI is a separate & independent brand (within BMW Group), not a sub-brand of BMW ... nor just a retro model based on a iconic car (like Beetle, 500 etc).
I'm just saying what makes more sense. No matter who owns MINI, FIAT, Citroen etc.
So does the 500 wear Fiat name & badge. What could possibly happen in the future , or what was in the past... that's not the point here. Right now MINI is a separate & independent brand (within BMW Group), not a sub-brand of BMW ... nor just a retro model based on a iconic car (like Beetle, 500 etc).
I'm just saying what makes more sense. No matter who owns MINI, FIAT, Citroen etc.
Giannis
Staff member
ΜΙΝΙ was just a model, now it is a brand, and the demographic they target, have mostly no idea of what BMC and the others were. Now, it's a whole new brand with a very specific created line-up and an even more strategic chosen target group.
On the other hand, the 500 is only a model that goes by the same idea as the MINI line-up, and it sits in a line-up that consist of just ordinary cars, apart from it. The FIAT line-up. You can't say that the whole FIAT line-up goes by the same virtues of the 500, while this is true in the MINI case.
Citroen is somewhere in the middle, creating a sub-brand within its line-up. The DS series of pumped up ordinary Citroens, which do look better, truth to be told.
What I think EnI is trying to say, is that it was ok for FIAT to have one retro car, but if they want to have a series of those retro styled fashion items, they need somehow to differentiate them from their ordinary cars. BMW chose a new brand (mini) while Citroen chose a sub-brand. Fiat needs to do something now.
There were quite many version of the first Fiat 500. It is becasue of today's era, where SUVs are very important, that we see a 500X. The point is not in making a new brand or sub-brand, just expanding the Fiat 500 range. Before there was the 500 Giandiniera, now nobody would by that, but a 500 "SUV", likely yes. Is the making of many 6 Series versions, Coupé, Convertible, GranCoupé and GranTouring, making it a new brand ? No, so the same goes for the 500.
Gianclaudio
Aerodynamic Artisan
Exactly, too much negativism towards the poor 500.
Also not only Fiat used to made the Giardinera, but also the Multipla
I don't like the way the 500L copies the Countryman design, because the last thing I expect is from an italian company is to copy a design, but the to complain about Fiat making variations of the 500 is plain no sense.
Rainer271
Kraftwagen König
This is Fiat's New 500X Small Crossover
A single photo of Fiat'sbrand-new 500X small crossover that will be presented in Paris in a couple of weeks has surfaced online.
The picture was shared on Quattroporte magazine's forums and shows what is believed to be the production version of the car.
It's the newest member of Fiat's growing family of 500 models after the original 500 hatchback and 500L, both of which are offered in a multitude of versions ranging from the sporty 500 Abarth editions to the seven-seater 500L Living.
The 500X is a sister model to the Jeep Renegade with which it shares its underpinnings, and will serve as a replacement for the discontinued Sedici in the hot small SUV segment competing with cars such as the Honda HR-V, Renault Captur and Nissan Juke.
We expect Fiat to offer the 500X with a choice of diesel and petrol engines in both front- and all-wheel drive configurations.
A single photo of Fiat'sbrand-new 500X small crossover that will be presented in Paris in a couple of weeks has surfaced online.
The picture was shared on Quattroporte magazine's forums and shows what is believed to be the production version of the car.
It's the newest member of Fiat's growing family of 500 models after the original 500 hatchback and 500L, both of which are offered in a multitude of versions ranging from the sporty 500 Abarth editions to the seven-seater 500L Living.
The 500X is a sister model to the Jeep Renegade with which it shares its underpinnings, and will serve as a replacement for the discontinued Sedici in the hot small SUV segment competing with cars such as the Honda HR-V, Renault Captur and Nissan Juke.
We expect Fiat to offer the 500X with a choice of diesel and petrol engines in both front- and all-wheel drive configurations.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
I just don't think Fiat really have a clue about what kind of models they need to add to the 500 brand, the L & X are hideous, they shouldn't be called 500's, they should be called 600 & 700. By adding 500 styling traits they just look daft, make them there own unique models.
Sunny
Premium
500e is selling like hot cakes here in Silicon Valley. I can see them everywhere. I myself is considering one. My team was acquired by Samsung, so my easy 3 mile traffic-less commute is now 15 miles of stop and go freeway hell. It costs me $160+ a month in gas alone - not to mention wear and tear and the frustration. The lease rates for 500E is $199/month + tax. So with a 500e, for net ~$50 out of my pocket I get to use the the relatively empty car pool lanes. Other option is the electric Smart which leases for only $134, but not even name sake rear seats is a big ding. BMW totally pooched the i3 with ridiculous lease rates - $499.
Giannis
Staff member
Sunny
Premium
I thought not getting inside a smart was a matter of self preservation!
Not to mention preservation of the my middle age dignity.
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