Fifth Gear: M3 GTS vs Porsche GT3 RS
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Selling price is one thing. What someone actually pays for it is another thing.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
I bet my money there are buyers for GTS as well, even as used one. Just becuase eveyone here choose GT3 RS (including me) doenst mean GTS is overpriced or that it wont sell for the asking price. The buyers decide. However, Sweden is a small country with only 9 million inhabitants so the market for GTS is very small and maybe not the best place to sell a GTS.
donau
Kraftkurve King
Very true, it's the old supply and demand thing. For example (at least in the US) whenever a new version of a 911 GT3, GT3RS or a Turbo S becomes available, one will be lucky to find a dealer where you would actually get one at MSRP. Most everyone charges outrageous premiums. Hence the 'old' or used models of these cars still reach prices above the MSRP of a new one - for some time only of course. Slowly they start coming down. Same thing with Ferraris and other 'exotic' cars.
On the other hand still thinking of Porsche models, with the not so rare regular models the pricing seems to behave more according to the commonly expected pattern with nice discounts when times are hard etc.
So, it would not surprise me to see this BMW model commanding price patterns that one normally finds with exotic cars.
I am surprised at the understeer in the GT3 RS especially on cup tires.
I think they need to factor in the driving capabilities differences here as well. Vicky is definitely nowhere near as good as Tiff so that automatically puts the GTS at a disadvantage. I am only saying this because they need to eliminate such big variables.
I think they need to factor in the driving capabilities differences here as well. Vicky is definitely nowhere near as good as Tiff so that automatically puts the GTS at a disadvantage. I am only saying this because they need to eliminate such big variables.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
Entertainiment, that's the key here 
Regarding understeer, this is easily achieved by not having enough weight transfered to the front wheels while entering the corner, e.g. or rather, i.e. by braking. You need weight over the front tires for them to work and this gets really obvious in a car with a weight distribution like the Porsche's.
Regarding understeer, this is easily achieved by not having enough weight transfered to the front wheels while entering the corner, e.g. or rather, i.e. by braking. You need weight over the front tires for them to work and this gets really obvious in a car with a weight distribution like the Porsche's.
With all GTSs sold, I'd think the logical conclusion is that BMW priced it about right. We can't separate volume from price, as volume is an important (if not the most important) factor in deciding what a particular item will cost. I don't see it as competing against the GT3 RS, but merely augmenting what was already available in the field. It's just their take on what a track-focused M3 should be, and a nice anniversary edition which will appeal to someone who doesn't want the usual, obvious trackday toys. Burly V8 soundtrack (that also revs), competition-inspired paddleshifter, predictable (and driftable) handling...there's a lot to like that's different from the Porsche. R8 GT and MB Black Series are in the same vein, yet all are different enough to justify their prices to a select few. They're not overly ambitious. With only so few built, the market goals are quite different. We would not consider a sprinter to be "competing" against a marathon runner when he stops at the 100m mark.
A lot of this perceived competing and Top Trumps attitude is created by media hype. When the Scirocco R was introduced in one of the Brit mags, they somehow concluded this was VW's answer to one of the Caymans on no other information than near-identical hp numbers. To my knowledge, VW made no such claim and if they did they should have their heads checked.
A lot of this perceived competing and Top Trumps attitude is created by media hype. When the Scirocco R was introduced in one of the Brit mags, they somehow concluded this was VW's answer to one of the Caymans on no other information than near-identical hp numbers. To my knowledge, VW made no such claim and if they did they should have their heads checked.
If we consider Fifth Gear's final judgement that it comes down to: BMW - handling, Porsche - speed, then the logical conclusion would be to get the GTS. Unless of course, you are a track racer and really need every last second (IF the Porsche is faster at all - judging by the video, the lap time comparison was done more for fun and doesn't reflect the actual performance).
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