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Yet you've felt the necessity to reply to this even though it hadn't nothing to do with you... Shows nothing but how f'd up you are, you f'n moron.
I have been with you guys for so many years,but still don't get this...Is this just a reply with humor in your culture? Cos I only sense insult in my culture...Just out of curiosity nothing more and sorry if anyone takes this offended.
Sorry for off topic.
 
I have been with you guys for so many years,but still don't get this...Is this just a reply with humor in your culture? Cos I only sense insult in my culture...Just out of curiosity nothing more and sorry if anyone takes this offended.
Sorry for off topic.
Nope it's a genuine insult. There's a lot of "historical animosity" between these two members to the point that it's become nearly impossible to moderate. Please rather not get involved. It's hard enough dealing with these two's feud only to have another founding member to get in on the act. I suppose I'll be moving posts later...

Back on topic, please.
 
Yet you've felt the necessity to reply to this even though it hadn't nothing to do with you... Shows nothing but how f'd up you are, you f'n moron.

1) It's a forum. Anybody joining a conversation is the whole point of a forum. If you want to exclude other people from commenting then send a PM.

2) What was the point of your post other than to provoke LaArtist and derail yet another thread with MB v BMW fanboy nonsense? Grow up for God's sake. This forum is being ruined by this MB v BMW crap. It's tedious.



Nope it's a genuine insult. There's a lot of "historical animosity" between these two members to the point that it's become nearly impossible to moderate. Please rather not get involved. It's hard enough dealing with these two's feud only to have another founding member to get in on the act. I suppose I'll be moving posts later...

Back on topic, please.

For what it's worth, Martin, I don't have any animosity towards PanterroR. I never have done, so I don't even call it a feud. However, he clearly has a SEVERE hatred towards me, and has done for the last ten years. It's occassionally resulted in him going beyond what could be called acceptable, and yesterday was probably the worst example of that. It actually upset me quite a bit; to say he wants to SPIT on me? That's pretty disgraceful, and nobody deserves that. I wouldn't dream of saying that to my worst enemy. I don't know why he's so angry. Croatia is a lovely country (I was there a few weeks ago), and actually drove past the port of Koper (Slovenia) where the M3/M4 video ws filmed, but that's not really relevant.

In the M3/M4 thread, I was trying to keep things on-topic. Some members were able to discuss their opposite viewpoint without it derailing the discussion. You were even part of that discussion. When it became clear it was impossible, I disengaged with dalab in an attempt to get the thread back on topic. This prompted PanterroR's abusive rant. I don't think you have either the inclination or the time to check the thread (not even sure the posts are still there), but if you did you will see that is how it was. Not only that, there were other people making EXACTLY the same points as me, including yourself, yet I'm the one who becomes the target. The notion that the new M3/M4 video hooning it around the port was a bit childish (your words) was not solely mine, yet I'm the one who gets the brunt of the abuse. Unfortunately my reputation precedes me (understandably), but if I'm allowed on here then it's going to do the forum no good whatsoever if people can't accept that, move on, and respond the post and not the person. It seems PanterroR, more than anybody, still can't accept that I'm on the forum, and if that's the case he should put me on his ignore list. It's quite simple. Otherwise these flare-ups will keep happening, and nobody wants that.

I'm here to discuss cars, and that's when the forum is at its best.
 
It actually upset me quite a bit; to say he wants to SPIT on me? That's pretty disgraceful, and nobody deserves that. I wouldn't dream of saying that to my worst enemy. I don't know why he's so angry.

Yet you're able to tell people to literally "f*ck off" on this forum. You're clearly so much better than him...
I said several months/weeks ago it's just a matter of time before you get involved in OT crap once again. Despite you saying you only want to discuss cars. Unbelievable.
 
Yet you're able to tell people to literally "f*ck off" on this forum.

Stop taking things out of context. I didn't tell "people" to "f*** off". I told YOU to "f*** off with your racist comments" when you were suggesting Americans, born in America with American citizenship, are somehow now "fully" American.

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This is what happens @martinbo. Montana isn't interested in the slightest about the facts. He's just seen me and has waded in with two feet, bringing up something completely out of context, and twisting the story to try and have another dig. You can dislike me all you like Martin or wish I would go away, but you're clearly intelligent enough to recognise when people are just seeing it's me. It makes it very difficult to avoid getting dragged into this arguments even when I'm trying to avoid it.
 
No. I told YOU, not people, to do that. And there's a particularly nasty element to saying you want to SPIT on someone.




This is what happens @martinbo. Montana has just joined in this because a month ago we had a heated discussion when he was saying some pretty unsavoury stuff about race and Trump etc, and he's not interested in the slightest about the facts of this case or what happened in the M3/M4 thread. He's just seen my name and he's wading in with two feet. This is what happens constantly, and it's VERY tiresome, not only for me but for the mods also, I'm sure.

You're missing the point here, I never disputed the facts of the M3/M4 discussion. My reaction is to you lying; You react to his (PanterroR's) post saying you wouldn't write that to your worst enemy, when you yourself have written FAR worse. And do you think MAYBE there's a reason you're so often involved in this stuff?

But you know what, we've been down this road before. We don't like each other, leat's just leave it at that. Let's not bring this bs up again.
 
My reaction is to you lying; You react to his (PanterroR's) post saying you wouldn't write that to your worst enemy, when you yourself have written FAR worse.

It's not a lie at all. I said "I wouldn't dream of saying that to my worst enemy", as in saying "I want to SPIT on you". You then bringing up an example where I told YOU to "f*** off with your racist comments" doesn't change that one bit. And saying you want to "SPIT on someone" is particularly disgusting, and where I come from is far more disrespectful than a swear word.


But you know what, we've been down this road before. We don't like each other, leat's just leave it at that. Let's not bring this bs up again.

YOU are the one who stirred it all up again, bringing up an incident from six months ago when I was known as a different username, because you just can't let it go, so don't use the word "let's"! This is what happens constantly, not just with you, but PanterroR. People keep telling me I get involved in off-topic nonsense, yet it's mostly a select few people who are provoking me!

I will not have YOU making accusations completely out of context that paint me in a certain light.

It's really quite ridiculous that this is a car forum and yet there is so much agro and insults and fighting. I've got my one-year-old son crawling around my feet, trying to get my attention, and yet I'm compelled to write this just so I don't have people writing falsehoods about me.
 
Just a reminder that the ignore button works very well. I urge some members to use it to avoid all this BS. Trust me you will lose nothing.
 
2) What was the point of your post other than to provoke LaArtist and derail yet another thread with MB v BMW fanboy nonsense? Grow up for God's sake. This forum is being ruined by this MB v BMW crap. It's tedious.
Disagree!On the contrary,this place wouldn't be where it is today without this MB vs BMW battle or whatever you call it...Actually it's the energy that drives this place lasting...Don't you see the most active members have been all the same for all those years starting from originally GCF to GCZ then to here?If you ask me,if one day these veterans no longer debate,that would be a real problem.Please admit we never grow up in here.
 
Stop taking things out of context. I didn't tell "people" to "f*** off". I told YOU to "f*** off with your racist comments" when you were suggesting Americans, born in America with American citizenship, are somehow now "fully" American.

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This is what happens @martinbo. Montana isn't interested in the slightest about the facts. He's just seen me and has waded in with two feet, bringing up something completely out of context, and twisting the story to try and have another dig. You can dislike me all you like Martin or wish I would go away, but you're clearly intelligent enough to recognise when people are just seeing it's me. It makes it very difficult to avoid getting dragged into this arguments even when I'm trying to avoid it.

What fact have I been ignoring exactly, "David"? It's actually very simple:

1. I'm not racist. Never have been, never will be. Dumb accusation. They are the worst kind of people, also the most stupid there is. We clearly have two very different parameters for what constitutes a racist though. In my mind it's someone who thinks less of other people based on religion, skin color etc. For you I think it's more of a "if you don't hate Trump based on these silly quotes then you ARE racist". It's a stupid argument. Where did I write anything that's even remotely close to being racist? And why wouldn't you report it if it offends you?

You're the one who went overboard up in the first place by the way. I replied with a simple question to something you wrote about Trump in the corona thread and your response was very nasty. Everything escalated from there. Had you kept it civil, none of this would be happening and you probably wouldn't be banned in the first place.
You tend to converse with personal attacks which doesn't exactly scream *intelligence*.

2. You wouldn't get dragged into anything if you would refrain from personal attacks and keep the conversation civil, regardless of how you may feel about said person. And there's the heart of your problem; someone disagrees with you and you go bananas.

From the other thread-

Not all people who voted for Brexit are racist. But all racists voted for Brexit.

Why bring this up on a car forum? Just asking.
 
And saying you want to "SPIT on someone" is particularly disgusting, and where I come from is far more disrespectful than a swear word.

Well, both phrases are very disrespectful and should never have been written in any post on this forum in the first place! Doesn't matter if you think they're warranted or not, it's against forum rules.

because you just can't let it go,

Oh but I have let it go, I didn't bring it up out of nowhere. You tried to portray yourself as someone who would NEVER post something like that. Yet you did.. You thinking I'm racist (for whatever silly reason) doesn't change that.

I will not have YOU making accusations completely out of context that paint me in a certain light.

I'm not painting you as anything, and It's not out of context. You wrote that phrase, it's there. Context doesn't matter.
Panterror thought something nasty of you when he wrote what he wrote, just as you did me.
 
Why bring this up on a car forum? Just asking.

I know you didn't ask me, but since the post you quoted was directed at me I think it's fair for me to mention that Mat knows my stance on Brexit, and that alone makes it a reasonably sensible analogy to use to get his point over.
 
I know you didn't ask me, but since the post you quoted was directed at me I think it's fair for me to mention that Mat knows my stance on Brexit, and that alone makes it a reasonably sensible analogy to use to get his point over.
Fair enough, but he could have used a thousand other analogies. Had to involve racists...But thanks, that clears it up.
 
I know you didn't ask me, but since the post you quoted was directed at me I think it's fair for me to mention that Mat knows my stance on Brexit, and that alone makes it a reasonably sensible analogy to use to get his point over.

Exactly. I wouldn't have used that analogy with anybody else, but chose it because I knew it was a subject you have a particular interest in, and I thought it was a perfect way to get across my point.

As for this montana fella. I'm not going to directly engage with him anymore because it's just too tedious as he consistently plays the "strawman". He responds to my post with "I'm not racist. Never have been, never will be. Dumb accusation.", when I VERY DELIBERATELY said he used "racist comments", NOT that he was a racist. There's a difference but it's one which montana either wilfully ignores, or is too simple to grasp.

He then says, "Where did I write anything that's even remotely close to being racist?" There is a direct quote of montana literally near the top of this page where he defends Trump when he told three non-white, Amercian-born Congresswomen, to "go back to their own countries to help sort them out"; the idea that three American-born women can go back ANYWHERE from their own country seemingly lost on him.

I had this SAME conversation with montana SIX months ago when I was even known by a different username! It's utterly pointless because he's got no inclination to even understand how wrong the comments are. Hopefully nonsense like this stops permeating everyday life after 3rd November.
 
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