4 Series [Official] BMW i4 (G26)

[Serpens]

Comparing the EQE and the i4 is nonsense. The fanboy has found a few sentences that satisfy him, but the facts are not. EQE is a different level.

I was actually shocked at what was posted in this thread vs. what the comparison test actually said. I don’t think this is a valid comparison to start with even if they ultimately called it a tie (something you wouldn’t have gleaned from what was posted in this thread).

 

[leylandi]

The EQE is in the E-class segment. Those who criticize its price must be unaware of this. Its rival is the BMW i5. @klier

 

[SCOTT27]

EQE is probably better suited to the upcoming i5. If the i4 can show Electric can still be a BMW? Then i5 could be the sweet spot for the segment from the entry Electric up to the M60.
And it will look normal.

 

[KiwiRob]

Yes they are, and Mercedes completely pricing its car completely out of the market is not BMW's problem at all.

Now, why we are even talking about MB models in the i4 thread is beyond me...... Make a thread in Internal Combustion next time instead of polluting this one @dalab.
Now the MB trolls are here too.

how are they competitors, the EQE will compete with BMW’s eventual BEV 5 series and next years Audi A6 E-tron.

 

[dalab]

Now, why we are even talking about MB models in the i4 thread is beyond me...... Make a thread in Internal Combustion next time

Well, before that was never a problem, comparisons were posted in threads of one of the vehicles involved, but I understand your point, one can't post even a simple comparison tied to a link anymore

Now the MB trolls are here too.

They are like the plague of locusts, and here they open threads like "What's up with BMW's new faces, especially the new 7 Series?" to feed them and infesting what was not infected.

The fanboy has found a few sentences that satisfy him

A new character from the Multiverse?

has found a few sentences that satisfy him

Would it be like a space masturbator?

Listen @leylandi , don't be disrespectful, it's enough that you're a f#cking troll, don't go too far.

 

[Matski]

, don't be disrespectful, it's enough that you're a f#cking troll, don't go too far.

I sincerely hope the irony of telling someone not to be disrespectful in the same sentence as calling them a "f#cking troll" isn't lost on you.

Well, before that was never a problem, comparisons were posted in threads of one of the vehicles involved, but I understand your point, one can't post even a simple comparison tied to a link anymore

If there's an interesting comparison test to post, and you elect to post it in a thread dedicated to one of the brands, you have to expect fans of the opposing brand to state an opinion... if you don't want those opinions in a thread for a specific brand then, as Klier suggests, put it in Internal Combustion.

 

[leylandi]

Well, before that was never a problem, comparisons were posted in threads of one of the vehicles involved, but I understand your point, one can't post even a simple comparison tied to a link anymore

They are like the plague of locusts, and here they open threads like "What's up with BMW's new faces, especially the new 7 Series?" to feed them and infesting what was not infected.

A new character from the Multiverse?

Would it be like a space masturbator?

Listen @leylandi , don't be disrespectful, it's enough that you're a f#cking troll, don't go too far.

I'm not talking about sexual satisfaction. I was not disrespectful.

 

[SKY]

Please guys, give us a break. The fights between the members who like so much a brand that are not able to post a single negative thing about it, and the trolls from the rival brand who cannot stop doing the opposite are quite tiresome.

 

[klier]

how are they competitors, the EQE will compete with BMW’s eventual BEV 5 series and next years Audi A6 E-tron.

The EQE and i4 are both turds of the highest order, and they very much compete with each other on levels which is most pathetic. MB pricing the EQE out of the market is not my problem.

The EQE could have been anything, and segments are wide open in the BEV world. When there's like 5 BEV cars in this segment to choose from, they all compete with each other on some level until the market matures. Right now the EQE competes with the i4, and next year it'll be obliterated by the i5.

 

[leylandi]

The EQE and i4 are both turds of the highest order, and they very much compete with each other on levels which is most pathetic. MB pricing the EQE out of the market is not my problem.

The EQE could have been anything, and segments are wide open in the BEV world. When there's like 5 BEV cars in this segment to choose from, they all compete with each other on some level until the market matures. Right now the EQE competes with the i4, and next year it'll be obliterated by the i5.

It's the same as comparing the E class with the 3 series you've made and saying why Mercedes is selling it so expensive. You're being silly.

 

[martinbo]

It's the same as comparing the E class with the 3 series you've made and saying why Mercedes is selling it so expensive. You're being silly.

I feel you have a valid point to an extent. When it comes to ICE cars I used to be stickler for properly matched comparisons because the model ranges are highly evolved and mature. It’s straightforward to determine direct competitors based on segment, body type, engine and price.

The electric vehicle market is less evolved - there are fewer models to choose from and hence the lines separating competitors are blurred purely because there’s less choice. Hence when there aren’t direct competitors to compare, the next option is to compare closest competitors.
I personally don’t see the i4 and EQE as direct rivals either but they’re all we have as closest competitors for now.

 

[leylandi]

I feel you have a valid point to an extent. When it comes to ICE cars I used to be stickler for properly matched comparisons because the model ranges are highly evolved and mature. It’s straightforward to determine direct competitors based on segment, body type, engine and price.

The electric vehicle market is less evolved - there are fewer models to choose from and hence the lines separating competitors are blurred purely because there’s less choice. Hence when there aren’t direct competitors to compare, the next option is to compare closest competitors.
I personally don’t see the i4 and EQE as direct rivals either but they’re all we have as closest competitors for now.

Based on Tesla, is the segment difference between Model 3 and S not clear? Mercedes uses the same engines in the C and E class. Only power options determine the difference The main elements that distinguish the segments are things like dimensions, material quality and comfort. In the BEV world, the situation is not much different. If someone compares the i4 with the EQE and asks why Mercedes is more expensive, it would be nonsense. Would it say the same if the EQC were introduced instead of the EQE and compared to the i5?

 

[martinbo]

If someone compares the i4 with the EQE and asks why Mercedes is more expensive, it would be nonsense. Would it say the same if the EQC were introduced instead of the EQE and compared to the i5?

I’m not disagreeing with you. It just is what it is. Closest thing from BMW to compare to the EQE is the i4.

 

[leylandi]

I’m not disagreeing with you. It just is what it is. Closest thing from BMW to compare to the EQE is the i4.

So let's say we did. How reasonable is it to criticize the price of Mercedes? This car is a 5 meter giant. It is clear that he is in a different lane.

 

[martinbo]

So let's say we did.

By all means, go ahead. But don’t expect me to do the work.
If you feel compelled to prove that the Mercedes’ price point over the BMW’s is justified then do so.

How reasonable is it to criticize the price of Mercedes?

It’s not unreasonable. Your question leads to a never-ending circle of debate. You’re asking questions to which there is no definitive answer.
Most of the debate around cars is seldomly centred around true facts and reasoning reverting instead to personal perceptions and subjectivity. This recent course of discussion (together with its sources) is entirely depictive of the subjective nature of most automotive debate.

Even outright facts like which car is faster, which goes further, which is bigger and so on will eventually be subject to personal perception and relativity. It’s for this very reason that certain car publications go to ridiculous lengths to try and score a car by every possible measure (objective and subjective) in a futile attempt to determine a winner. Some obsessive German publications spring to mind with “fazit: 548 punkte vs 542 punkte”. Fun and interesting for car nuts but ultimately, still subjective.

Your desire for reasonability disappeared as soon as Georg Kacher picked up the phone to arrange the comparative “test”. The subsequent course leading to the selective presentation of superiority in this thread proves just one thing: car fans in general are f#cked in the head.

 

[leylandi]

This makes sense if the prices of two equivalent cars are compared with each other. The EQE and i4 are not two rivals. One is in the E class and the other is in the C class segment. In other words, it is quite normal for Mercedes to be more expensive. People shouldn't post ideas on the auto forum if they're too ignorant to understand this! @martinbo

 

[dalab]

I have the answer to the dilemma posed.

They compared the EQE to the i4, because...
There is no EQC and there is no i5, ??

The EQE and i4 are not two rivals. One is in the E class and the other is in the C class segment.

That's why it's interesting that they tied

 

[klier]

car fans in general are f#cked in the head.

Sure counts for me. Oh well.

This makes sense if the prices of two equivalent cars are compared with each other. The EQE and i4 are not two rivals. One is in the E class and the other is in the C class segment. In other words, it is quite normal for Mercedes to be more expensive. People shouldn't post ideas on the auto forum if they're too ignorant to understand this! @martinbo

You truly didn't understand a word Martin said.

Better to be f#cked in the head than to be ignorant.

 

[leylandi]

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