Our Audi A5 & BMW 3 Series Coupes


Mr. Mercedes

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I've been having so much trouble uploading photos for about a week now. Apparently theres network problems in my area. :t-banghea Anyhow, here are some I managed to upload:

The BMW is my sister in laws new 320d and the A5 is my secondhand 3.2 Quattro. I haven't had much of a chance to compare the two. I need to get them both spotless and have a proper photo session and comparison. :D

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That A5 was an inspired choice, Mr. Mercedes. I don't think you could've chosen better for what you were looking for. Congrats and many happy safe miles...
 
Facelifted Coupe looks weird in your photos (no offense). But I've seen it IRL and its nothing wrong with it.
 
How is the comfort level in that Audi with such small rims. Does it feel much different from the beemer?
 
Thanks Guys!

Martin I really hope I don't end up kicking myself for being impatient and not waiting for the C-facelift.

Just me, no offense taken. :D Those really aren't the greatest photos of the 3-series. I will have to take more when I'm not in such a rush.

Bum-man, the car does seem better put together. The interior fit is noticeably tighter than the A4 I had. That said, the materials are pretty much the same. There's an overwhelming impression of plastic. The Audi's platics do feel more refined than the C I had becuase the grain is much smoother. However at the same time, they do feel less dense. And I really don't understand why Audi has moved away frome the lovely 'matte' feel the buttons and surrounds used to have to a shinier/slicker look. It doesn't feel or look as expensive as the older models. Where Audi has excelled is in the design/execution of the interior. The design helps lift the interior to create an impression much higher than the sum of its parts. It's only when you nitpick and break everything down piece by piece that you notice they have definitely regressed in terms of material quality. Our E feels far richer and solid inside and the C on par, giving ground only in terms of design and texture of the dash. I really don't buy comments from jurnos who rave on about Audi's interior quality. Back in the day, yes they were head and shoulders above, but not anymore.

Luw, I'll write back soon with driving impressions.
 
Thank you very much for the compliments guys!

Now to answer Luw's question:

Steering:
The 3 series undoubtedly feels like the more focused driving machine mainly due to it's steering feeling meatier and more natural feeling and directly responsive to driver input. The Audi's steering feels very assisted, and the level of assistance varies considerably depending on speed. It's disconcerting at first, but with familiarity you also realise its a very responsive tiller when it needs to be and is much lighter and easier to manoeuvre at low speeds. It lacks the BMWs’ road feel, which seems just about right to me.

Ride/Handling:
The 3 series rides on the standard suspension tune with 17inch runflats, the Audi on the S-line sports suspension with 17 inch rims. They both don't really offer a 'luxury' ride and can be fidgety on our poor roads. Certainly nothing harsh or uncomfortable though, because both are very well damped with the BMW being marginally better in this respect. To compensate the Audi has the tighter body control and contains roll better. Overall however the BMW feels like the sportier car; more on it's toes and willing to carve through corners and push out of them with its great rear wheel balance. E
The Audi feels more like a cruiser with a little less ride compliancy then you would expect from one. A more compromised drive really. That said if you really want to push the Audi, it will work with you and the quattro system ensures traction is always faultless. But really keen drivers would prefer the BMW's set up.

Refinement:
The Audi is outstanding in terms of NVH. It contains road noise brilliantly and slips through the air very very quietly. The BMW is also very good, but does lose a little bit of ground in this respect letting more road rumble into the cabin. There's also a bit more wind noise. Not that the BMW is bad, it’s just that the Audi is so good in this respect.

Drivetrain:
The 3.2litre engine in the Audi is a very sweet and impeccably refined unit. It's probably a little thirstly by today’s standards and could definitely use more low end torque. But it really sings when you give it the boot and is turbine like in its smoothness. The unit operates best at the higher end of the rev band and it’s just as well the 6 speed transmission is such a fast and smooth operator. Rarely do you notice any shunt when changing gears. This is one smooth engine/gear box combination.

The diesel engine in the 3 coupe sounds completely out of character with the vehicle. It's a smart sporty looking thing that sounds like a tractor from the outside. At idle and in the cabin the story isn't much better and there is quite a bit of vibration transmitted through. When on the move though things quieten down and smooth out considerably, but the engine never sounds like anything you would expect in a coupe. The torque on offer is brilliant however and despite the slower 0-100 times, the kick down response is excellent. It's a very nice engine when moving along until you pull up to a stop sign or a set of traffic lights. More effort should have been made to refine its idle character. The fuel economy credentials are outstanding! The transmission is also very smooth, though gear changes are a few degrees more perceptible than in the Audi.

Interior:
The BMW benefits from a very nice contrasting beige and black combination. That said the trim, which is supposed to look like piano black, looks rather glittery in sunlight and as a result is a bit chintzy. The bamboo would have been a better bet. You can't really complain about the quality and feel of the plastics and the leather is more supple than in the Audi. It's very well put together too and gives the impression you will get thousands of rattle free miles out of it, even if the interior panel gaps are not as tight as the Audi.

The seats are rather flat and lack side support and the general design and layout of the cabin does look dated next to its counterpart. it's a bit cold and 'slabby' for lack of a better description. The steering wheel feels very nice in hand and the evening ambient lighting is a big selling point. Very nice.

The Audi interior is as per my comments above. It's extremely well put together, yet there is an overwhelming impression of plastic. And the feel of these plastics could be better. I'm certain Audi has saved some pennies over the materials used in the old A4 and even current A3. The leather is also more rubbery/vinyl in feel, which is rather sad because Audi once had the best standard leather trim out of the 3 Germans.

The seats are extremely comfortable and offer just the right amount of side support without resorting to crushing your rib cage. The design and layout feel at least a generation ahead of the 3-series and does wonders to overcome the rather average materials. It really does make the interior feel and look better than the sum of its parts. The ambient lighting is sufficient but lacks the BMW's wow factor.

Interface:
The I-drive unit is vastly superior to the unit I used in our X5. It responds smoothly and the operator interface is entirely intuitive. There are a few ergonomic bugbears for me though such as the cup holders, volume control knob, usb and auxiliary input placement. But these are obviously not major issues. One big ergonomic glitch I found in the 3-series, and also my previous 1-series, is that the steering wheel obscures much of the speedo when I’ve set a comfortable seating position and steering wheel height. The BMW could also use a more informative and useful interface on a screen in the instrument cluster rather than relying so heavily on the I-Drive display. Audi and Mercedes are much better in this area with useful displays showing information such as radio station frequency, phone numbers, navigation info etc.

The MMI system in the Audi is also a smooth operating system. The placement of all the controls on the transmission tunnel is nice because everything falls easily at hand. That said you do sometimes tend to take your eyes of the road to make sure you’re selecting the right menu in both the BMW and Audi.

The interface is as intuitive as the BMW, but I don't really like the way the commands at the corners of the screen correspond with the 4 unmarked buttons surrounding the main control knob. The way you nudge or twirl BMW's I drive knob or Mercedes Command knob to simply highlight the command/menu makes more sense to me. You never need to take your eyes off the road when doing this.

Both the Audi and BMW could also use a numerical keypad like Mercedes. It may mean a few more buttons on the console but sometimes twirling the knobs to enter numbers can be quite a chore. The circular layout of the alphabet and numbers on the screen on both systems, while better looking from a graphical point of view, is also a bit clumsier than the linear layout used by Mercedes Command.

Appearance:
This offcourse is the most subjective part of the review. But to my eyes the Audi's lines are sublime and those LED headlights glorious to look at. The best LED execution of any car on the road still. IMO offcourse! The stance and proportions are also spot on. And again back to the lines, they really are superb. Simple and sexy yet slightly menacing all at once. The car turns heads to a point where I almost feel a little uncomfortable. I'm going to put the darkest legal tint I can find to help resolve this. :D

I would love nothing more than to put an amazing set of 19's to complete the look, but I fear the impact they will have on what is already a rather firm riding g car. And the tyres are new anyway.

The LCI of the 3-series has freshened things up quite nicely, but it doesn't have the same allure as the Audi to me. The rear quarters seem a bit heavy and the overall appearance a bit soft. To my eyes it doesn’t pull of the Audi hat trick, being simple, sexy and menacing all at once. I think an M-sports kit and wheels would improve the looks a lot though.

Conclusion:
Both are really great cars with their various pros and cons. I’m happy with my choice in the Audi and I could sit and look at it all day lol. :t-crazy2: With a more 'appropriate' engine and nice set of wheels though, I'd be just as happy driving the 3.
 
Your pics of E92 is the first time I am liking the facelift. Before that it always felt like a side grade - a change for the sake of it, but the blue one looks sharp.
 
Martin I really hope I don't end up kicking myself for being impatient and not waiting for the C-facelift.

I too am eagerly awaiting the C-facelift, externally I always thought the C-class was one of the best looking car in it's class but internally I felt it wasn't as exciting as some of the others. The new interior appears to address this issue for me and I might pull the plug on one near the end of next year. Though the E-class is so competitively priced over here it does make one question why anyone would consider the smaller C-class. :confused:

P.S.
Both yours and your sister's are beautiful example of both breeds. Health to enjoy. :t-cheers:
 
There's creaks and rattles in the Audi interior that just shouldn't be there in a 2 1/2 year old low km car. :jpshakehe It's mostly just trim peices rubbing or rattling slightly, but the centre armrest is particularly bad. It's nice that it retracts back and forth and up and down, but the plastic construction has not held up to weight over time and the slightest nudge now will cause it to creak.

Luckily the car is under warranty and the dealer doesn't fuss about addressing these issues, but they must think I'm absolutely mad when I go in with a list of 'noises'. :t-crazy2: I probably am, but it's the one thing I can't STAND in cars.

Still in love with the engine and gearbox combo, the drive, particularly as I get used to it, and ofcourse the glorious looks. :banana:
 
I absolutely detest rattles. It's something that the VW Group, in my experience, still can't address properly despite the high perceived and tactile quality of the materials and surfacing used. My Golf GTI's used to drive me utterly f@&king ballistic with their, what I term, "snap, crackle and pop" rattles.

It's such a pity because their interiors really are nice but they just don't withstand the everyday shock-through that's inevitable on our deteriorating roads. I really empathise Mr. Mercedes.

Funny thing about perceived quality isn't it? It's all good on the surface but when things start to squeak and rattle the impression of solidity is immediately and significantly diminished.

Good luck, I hope that dealer makes amends!
 
I absolutely detest rattles. It's something that the VW Group, in my experience, still can't address properly despite the high perceived and tactile quality of the materials and surfacing used. My Golf GTI's used to drive me utterly f@&king ballistic with their, what I term, "snap, crackle and pop" rattles.

It's such a pity because their interiors really are nice but they just don't withstand the everyday shock-through that's inevitable on our deteriorating roads. I really empathise Mr. Mercedes.

Funny thing about perceived quality isn't it? It's all good on the surface but when things start to squeak and rattle the impression of solidity is immediately and significantly diminished.

Good luck, I hope that dealer makes amends!
:t-cheers:

Grrrrr...and what despises me most of all is that on a gravel road both my X6 and X1 rattles, the latter even more. They both have better than average perceived quality in their respective classes (X1 could be much better) and the punch line/moral of the story...My friend J.P. Marais's new 2010 KIA Sportage, has hard plastics every where in the cabin BUT build is impeccable and on gravel roads there is not even a squeek let alone a rattle.:t-banghea

By the way Martin, Subaru's has that same granite feel and no rattles. At Rosepark Hospital in Bloem they (old school friend who's a Paramedic) drive
WRX Sti's and I had the opportunity to attend a driving course Subaru held for the Paramedics and on gravel their is not a rattle.
 
Martin & Human, I'm sure we experience very similar road conditions on a regular basis. And I don't understand how some Germans feel they can get away with this sort of stuff. Perhaps it's us, but I feel how rattle free and quiet a car's interior is over time is absolutely integral to the overall quality impression. You pay through your nose for what is supposedly a superior built and finished product, so it's only fair to expect a rattle free existance.

That's what I love about my mum's C, dad's E and my old C. They've got 30000, 17000 and 60000kms on them respectively and they feel as solid and rattle free as the day we bought them. There was a 'buzz' from the rear view mirror in mum's C, but that was addressed by the dealer quite easily.
 
I've sold the A5. Beautiful car to look at and drive. But the expiring warranty, my new wife who is a learner driver, and who is unfortunately not as good behind the wheel as I was anticipating lol, and a few other factors dictated selling the vehicle.

I'm gonna try and sit tight for about 6 months or so before looking at the FL C or C coupe.

Interestingly, just before I sold the A5 I booked it in for a service. When they asked if I had any concerns, I mentioned a few of the rattles that I wanted looked at. They said this would be at an additional cost to me as Audi Australia only covers rattles and the like for 12 months. That's absurd! :t-banghea
 

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