A6/S6/RS6 Sport Auto Supertest - Audi RS6 Avant

[DeDe]

Sport Auto Supertest - Audi RS6 Avant

• Measured power: 580 hp at 6030 rpm, 20 more than claimed. Power at the wheels: 457 hp.
  
• Measured torque: 758 Nm at 3700 rpm but only for a few seconds. After that the electronic limits the torque at a maximum of 720 Nm.
• Acceleration: the worst numbers for the RS6 so far, but no surprises here, it was tested at very hot conditions (28 Degrees C air- and 46 Degrees C tracktemperature). Plus: with two persons onboard.
• Brakes: the optional ceramics are fading-free on the track (even on the Nordschleife), but performed poorly at the standard braking tests (38 m from 100 kph is weak).
• Nordschleife: the Ring found the weakness of the car: because of its heavy weight the suspension knocked up and the steering became extremely heavy several times during the hotlap. Powerful brakes.
• Windtunnel: because of software-issues the windtunnel of Mercedes-Benz is still not available, therefore the uplift and Cw figures are factory claims.

 

[Deckhook]

I expected it to be quicker on the ring than the RS5, I wonder if temperature was the issue there too?

I would like to say it's a poor result but to be as quick as the M5 proves that's no the case.

 

[Tumbo]

F**K.... 8.05 ??? I'm disappointed big time!

 

[LaArtist]

LOL to compare :

E63 AMG 4 Matic ( sedan )

• Hockenheim lap: 1:13:5 min
• Nürburgring lap: 7:55 min

10 seconds is massive!

 

[Deckhook]

LOL to compare :

E63 AMG 4 Matic ( sedan )

• Hockenheim lap: 1:13:5 min
• Nürburgring lap: 7:55 min

10 seconds is massive!

Agreed 10 seconds is huge. Will be interested to see a few comparison tests between them to see if it was the temperature conditions at the time of SportAuto supertest or if there really is this gulf between them.

 

[LaArtist]

^ Ehmm rolling up my sleves..

How did it play down over in the S8vS63 thread.. didn't we Mercidis fans get flac for asking if the car was properly driven in..or if it was going full power?

And now there are questions about temp conditions and so on..

When we ALL know that sport auto is waaaay more sientific than some dude on youtube

I rests my casings..

Ile just leave this here like i left that rotating one there :

Goin retro on yo asses

 

[Deckhook]

^I'm only stating what DeDe said about the heat. But I will repeat it again, comparison tests between the two will lets us see how close or far apart they really are.

 

[Sunny]

When we ALL know that sport auto is waaaay more sientific than some dude on youtube

Yes they are way more scientific, which is why they record the air temperature, track temperature and the air pressure for all their tests and publish it. But they are not god, they can't change the conditions to be the same. And yes, there is a huge difference in the track temperature between the two tests, 20C for E63S test vs 46C for the RS6 test. Does that explain the 10 secs gap? I don't know, maybe part of it. Or may be RS6 is not just suited for the Nurburgring type track.

 

[LaArtist]

46 degrees celcius? when was this test in July in hell?

lol punch line green hell hah ( nerd warning)

anyway..all im saying is that we SHOULD question sport auto.. why not as you said they not god..but then again we should also be allowed to question a damn youtube video.. without being ranted on

 

[JHF]

Lets wait the RS7 test by Sportauto. The RS7 replace RS6 Sedan, and I looking forward to see how fast the RS7 is in Nordschleife.

 

[Sunny]

46 degrees celcius? when was this test in July in hell?

lol punch line green hell hah ( nerd warning)

anyway..all im saying is that we SHOULD question sport auto.. why not as you said they not god..but then again we should also be allowed to question a damn youtube video.. without being ranted on

It is all in the context. If we are talking about bunch of You Tube videos of people lapping the Nurburgring, yes, it would mean jack - different drivers with different skills doing something where skill matters a lot, different conditions, different traffic. But in that particular case it was 2 automatic cars accelerating in a straight line from rolling start side by side at the same time. Obviously the number of variables involved are minimal. Is it absolute incontrovertible proof that an S8 will beat a S63 each and every time? No. But it is probably a good indication of what the outcome will be.

 

[LaArtist]

^ like i said if this is up under the microscope..that is all day of the week..

I can name a good 10-15 questions that video leaves un answered

PS
Asphalt temp was 30 celcius not 46 for this test..
And it was 24 celcius for the E63 test .

( 6 degree diff)

And the air temp was 23 for E63 and 24 for Rs6... 1 degree diff..

Now if that made a 10 second difference.. then i guess jesus is coming down to earth tomorrow to celebrate X mas with us all.

 

[Sunny]

I can name a good 10-15 questions that video leaves un answered

I am all ears...

 

[LaArtist]

^ i hope your read my correction on your hellish 46 degrees..

1. How do we know it was a 4 matic ?
2. How do we know it was driven at full power?
3. How do we know if the car was driven in properly?
4. Since the video was from the S8 we can't know what gear the S was in when the race started.
5. Why were there not multiple runs at different speeds?
6. Why no standing start?
7. What speed was the rolling start from?
8. What HP was both cars laying down since there was no dyno?
9. How do we know the S8 was not tuned?
10. And like this test what were the conditions of the track?

LIke you said that video is not inconclusive.. nor is this test.. all im saying for the 4th time now is why the flac for questioning in that thread, and then question this..which is seen by car fans as the most reliable source for performance testing ( perfect? surely not).

 

[Zafiro]

Now when Artist been so good questioning everything. I from here will never ever believe what I see in a video or what I read in a carmagazine, or what members at GCF say again. We live in a big freaking lie. E63 never did 7.55 and RS6 never did 8.05 min. F.... liars! Sob!

 

[Sunny]

^ i hope your read my correction on your hellish 46 degrees..

Yes, I just saw it - I was looking at the temp at the bottom of this page, it probably states the temp for a another test?

As for your questions -

1. How do we know it was a 4 matic ? - Cause the guy who posted it said it was, also it was a rolling start, so doubt AWD would have made any difference.
2. How do we know it was driven at full power? - Cause that is what people generally do in a drag race. Like I said GOOD questions... Yea sure the guy could have been driving with his emergency brakes on. The S8 could have NOX tank. But yea, you take these things at face value but don't hold it as incontrovertible proof either. That is the whole point of it - exercise good judgement.
3. How do we know if the car was driven in properly? - How do you know the S8 was driven in properly? May be it would be even more faster. Or how do you know any of the magazine test cars are driven in properly?
4. Since the video was from the S8 we can't know what gear the S was in when the race started. It is an automatic, unless he was in manual mode and in some high gear. But the again you assume people are not that stupid.
5. Why were there not multiple runs at different speeds? The guy who posted the video said there were multiple runs and the results were pretty much the same. Ask him for the videos.
6. Why no standing start? Probably because they wanted to remove driver skill from the equation?
7. What speed was the rolling start from? Ask the guy who posted. How does it change anything?
8. What HP was both cars laying down since there was no dyno? How does it matter again, as long as they are customer cars and not tuned.
9. How do we know the S8 was not tuned? How do we know the S63 was not tuned?
10. And like this test what were the conditions of the track? Both cars were subjected to the same conditions so again doesn't matter.

LIke you said that video is not inconclusive..

The video is pretty conclusive in concluding that, that S8 was faster than that S63 on that run. And probably a good indication of how things might turn out other times. Is it incontrovertible proof every S8 will be faster than every S63 every time? No. If you want absolute proof, you will probably have to take a large sample of S8s and S63s picked randomly from the show room, break them in, controlled environment and do large sample of runs against each other with robot applying the gas pedal with a controlled force while synced to a atomic clock. Obviously, not practically feasible even for magazines. So as an enthusiast you make do with what is available - these anecdotal evidence of which car is probably faster. But you don't get too fastidious about it and hold it as the ultimate truth either. Like I said, good judgement...

 

[LaArtist]

^yep agree with you on that.. and still only trying to state that the benz fans were ranted on for no reason over there..

everything is up for discussion..especially a youtube video..

Now when Artist been so good questioning everything. I from here will never ever believe what I see in a video or what I read in a carmagazine, or what members at GCF say again. We live in a big freaking lie. E63 never did 7.55 and RS6 never did 8.05 min. F.... liars! Sob!

Yes this man got it!

 

[DeDe]

Why only 8.05 min? The 1.1 ton on the front wheels tells the story...

On the conditions:

• Dyno-testing: 28 Degrees C airtemperature.
  
• Performance-testing: 28 Degrees C air- and 46 Degrees C tracktemperature.
• Hockenheimring hotlap: 25 Degrees C air- and 39 Degrees C tracktemperature.
• Nordschleife hotlap: 24 Degrees C air- and 30 Degrees C tracktemperature.

 

[Deckhook]

I'm not sure but I think the weight distribution between the RS6 and AWD E63-S isn't that different so why the big difference in time? I think we need to see what tyre each brand is using to see if they are different and if they are find a tyre comparison test to see which is best in dry warm conditions.

 

[JHF]

The M5 had almost the same conditions/tempatures in the supertest, by Sportauto. Also the same time as RS6 has.

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bmw-m5-im-supertest-im-rauch-der-sinne-5585295.html?show=2