Poll The Nürburgring Just Banned Lap Records


Are you with or against the ban ?


  • Total voters
    30

Soup

Premium
:eek.doodle: :redface.doodle: :rolleyes.doodle: :mad.doodle:

http://www.apex-the-movie.com/blog/2015/6/18/the-nrburgring-just-banned-lap-records

1ee62a5e82b02b3f51aba7d49303913f.webp


To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

This week, the management group overseeing Germany’s Nürburgring Nordschleife moved to ban manufacturers from attempting and publishing timed laps on the famed, 13-mile course. For car enthusiasts who judge modern sports cars by how quickly they can round the circuit, it’s an unthinkable, if not wholly unexpected, turn of events.

For Christian Von Koenigsegg, it’s even more disappointing; the news comes just days before he was to spend a week at the circuit with the new Koenigsegg One:1 hypercar in hopes of setting a lap record. It’s part of Koenigsegg’s three-year plan to establish the One:1 as the fastest production car in the world.

It was early Tuesday morning when I received an urgent phone call from Christian. In two days, I was to jump on a plane with my team to capture the Koenigsegg lap-time effort for our upcoming 4K documentary, APEX, which we’re producing in conjunction with Sony. This is the final chapter in a storyline that follows the past three years of auto manufacturers battling it out for technological dominance in producing halo cars for the next decade, cars including the Porsche 918, McLaren P1, and Ferrari LaFerrari. All have shown what they’re worth on the track, but the Koenigsegg One:1 has yet to do so.

Now we have a new story to tell: The Nürburgring benchmark of sports-car superiority has come to a screeching halt, and the Koenigsegg One:1’s place on the leaderboard is in jeopardy. We’d been on stand-by to fly across the Atlantic (on moments’ notice) to capture Koenigsegg’s attempt. This time, helicopter crews were ready to go, logistics were sorted, and travel was booked. The sudden notification from Nürburgring management couldn’t have come at a more inopportune moment for everyone.

The decision to ban timed laps stems from an accident earlier this year at a VLN race, involving driver Jann Mardenborough, in which a spectator was killed. Track management reacted by imposing a speed limit at Flugplatz, where the crash occurred. Since then, management has imposed further restrictions in other high-speed sectors. This is a particularly disappointing development for Koenigsegg, since the One:1’s flat-out speed in those sectors would likely have given it a lap-time advantage. In Tiergarten, for instance, a long, fast section where Christian estimates the One:1 could easily hit 300 kph, speed is now restricted to just 200 kph.

Official word from Nurburgring management is that these restrictions will be reviewed at the end of the year, but for the time being, manufacturers like Koenigsegg are banned from attempting lap-time runs — even if they’ve rented out the entire track for themselves. The Koenigsegg team and the One:1 are now stuck in a holding pattern. They have a car that’s ready to attack the northern loop. Their simulations and data suggest they’ve got a good chance to best their competitors. Even Koenigsegg’s past track data suggests their best segment times, when stitched together, would undercut the Porsche 918’s official 6:57 time by double-digit seconds.

But there’s a twist to the story. After the initial restrictions were in place, Lamborghini ran its new Aventador SV and published a sub-seven-minute lap time. Nürburgring management claims Lamborghini’s attempt happened one day before they issued the latest round of restrictions. Yet at the same time, WTCC laps have been allowed to ignore all speed limits all together? What’s the deal? We’re investigating.

So what’s next for Koenigsegg and our film, APEX? The helicopter crews are ready, the One:1 is ready, but we don’t have anywhere to run the car.

Is there a new benchmark to be set? Should nearby Spa Francorchamps, another long, high-speed track with motorsports provenance, become the new venue for lap time tests? Maybe a stateside circuit like the four-mile West Grand course at VIR would fit the bill? What about setting an endurance record? Let the Reddit car forums march with their keyboards and pitchforks.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Wow, that's some major stuff.
Guess they'll have to come up with record track days now, or something.

Porsche will be happy, the 918 will remain the fastest for now, LOL
 
I, for one, like all these discussions around the Ring lap times. I also have the Ring quite high in my automotive world, and hope to visit it with a proper 911 one day.

I'm not really happy to read this, but I'll get over it sooner or later.
 
The fastest 24/7 production car.

Radical drove it from their UK HQ to the Ring, set the fastest lap time by a large margin then drove it home again, they did this twice. What's the bet Porsche brought the 918 in on a trailer?

The 918 is no more a 24/7 vehicle than the Radical is.

Ah yes, the media publications with non pro drivers are allowed to discard the speed restrictions. Makes it far more safe :rolleyes:

Don't they do most of these tests on closed to the public days, the manufacturers do it on industry only day's, that's why this new rule is so stupid.

If anything it's probably detrimental to the Rings business, if the manufacturers feel slighted and go somewhere else then the Ring loses a lot of revenue paying customers.
 
The 918 is no more a 24/7 vehicle than the Radical is.

Yes, look, the ride height look just as practical. And the windscreen should be just as effective.

2016f6681e25101514530c8d386272e1.webp


e07dba8bc06077107a0d4796bddc05bd.webp



And of course the seats, the climate control and sound system should be just as pleasurable.



d5cab6391e5668a964d7edbcf0fa62f4.webp


7875cb569b05ec6de0a8f89c39f51b9b.webp



Honest question - do you just post crap to troll people or do you first actually delude yourself into believing the crap you post?


ps.
Except it's not the fastest, the Radical is.

Since, neither Klier nor you qualified anything about the car being road legal, the fastest is still a Porsche 956.
 
On the poll question - I am actually happy they banned the manufacturer pissing contest. Maybe in a small way, it will help shift the focus to making cars fun instead of fast.
 
You don't need a sound system when you have an engine noise like this, no roof so no need for climate control, and I've actually seen one tooling around London, it's no more stupid than driving an Atom, Caterham or superbike. Since you can register it, you can drive it on the road and people do.

The RXC is more usable, has a roof, aircon, doors, heated front window.

45ef7dac8ae1a5e7d3032f9366e0a370.webp
 
I am pretty ambivalent to the ban.

On one hand, it's pretty cool to see someone who is an accomplished driver go balls out in an insane car on, what is arguably, one of the most difficult and historic tracks in the world. The video of the LP750-4 SV was pretty fun to watch. In the grander context of competition of pushing one's self to the limit, it's a shame. It sucks for Koenigsegg...that guy puts alot of himself in his endeavors.

On the other hand, as Sunny so astutely pointed out, it's become a glorified pissing contest used for marketing purposes. Many of the cars used to set records were often specifically tuned for the N-ring. So how does a car tuned for that particular track driven by pro who is most likely well-trained on that track representative of the car in the showroom?

In the end this might bite the management at N-ring right in the keister. Some of the allure will be diminished among automakers. And I imagine trained test drivers who are gunning for the record are less of a liability than some schmo in his GTI with big-ass exhausts.

Automakers can still test their prototypes though, yes?
 
For me, this is a little disappointing. We all know that the most people can't consistently drive their cars on the limit or beyond the limit consistently.

A laptime driven by a professional gives "objective" data about how fast a car can be, and gives a frame of reference to judge a car's performance, which is why I like the Supertest from Sport Auto. Yes, it isn't perfect but it's better than the usual 0-60mph, 1/4 mile time, skidpad grip, slalom speeds, etc ,etc. The Ring just happens to be a world famous circuit which has been used the most to look at such comparisons.
 
I have figured out the perfect track to replace the n-ring. The green portion of the track would be perfect. It would finally allow manufactures to stop focusing on more hp and focus more on lightness and handling. We could finally end the hp wars like porsche and a few other journalists say. The only problem would be getting fiat to agree to letting others use its test tracks.

40eb03ae5102e39a565b3b938f0f549e.webp
 
Pista Caratteristiche Costruzione
Alfa Romeo É una vera e propria pista di F1, lunghezza 5,6 km. Contiene inoltre al suo interno anche un circuito misto per la durata, pavimentazioni speciali e percorso di campagna per ulterori 4,5 km. 1962
Anello alta velocità Lunghezza 7,8 km, con curve sopraelevate fino al 30%, velocità max oltre i 300 km/h 1992
Langhe Oltre 22 km comprendenti un tratto pianeggiante, uno collinare con pendenze fino al 14% ed un tratto di pavimentazioni speciali di 3.300 metri 1993
Comfort Circuito di circa 2,8 km dedicato alle prove di test delle sospensioni veicolo 1999
ABS Pista omologata. Rettilineo di circa 1.500 metri. Utilizzato prevalentemente per omologazione veicoli 2005
Off Road Oltre 2 km di percorso fuori strada 2006
Bianca 1,0 km con fondo di ghiaietto macinato per prove di autoveicoli in bassa aderenza; utilizzata per test su sistemi di controllo dinamico del veicolo 2008
Iveco Lunghezza 7,9 km, due corsie di 4 m piú una corsia d’emergenza, curve piatte 2010
Rumorosità esterna Pista omologata. Dedicata alla messa a punto ed omologazione dei veicoli
Steering Pad Di forma circolare, diametro 80 metri, con pendenza verso l’interno del 2%. E’ formata da tre tipi di asfalto 2011

d0aa7822603757648db600639fd79292.webp
 
Bilster Berg would be perfect for Sport Auto...

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 

Thread statistics

Created
Soup,
Last reply from
Mr Robert,
Replies
35
Views
8,905

Trending content


Back
Top