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The US Dollar?


Mr. Mercedes

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IRAN HAS REALLY DONE IT. More deadlier than the nuclear.



The Voice (issue 264 -) ran an article beginning, ' Iran has really gone and done it now. No, they haven't sent their first nuclear sub in to the Persian Gulf . They are about to launch something much more deadly -- next week the Iran Bourse will open to trade oil, not in dollars but in Euros' This apparently insignificant event has consequences far greater for the US people, indeed for us all, than is imaginable.



Currently almost all oil buying and selling is in US-dollars through exchanges in London and New York . It is not accidental they are both US-owned.



The Wall Street crash in 1929 sparked off global depression and World War II. During that war the US supplied provisions and munitions to all its allies, refusing currency and demanding gold payments in exchange.



By 1945, 80% of the world's gold was sitting in US vaults. The dollar became the one undisputed global reserve currency -- it was treated world-wide As `safer than gold'. The Bretton Woods agreement was established.



The US took full advantage over the next decades and printed dollars like there was no tomorrow. The US exported many mountains of dollars, paying For ever-increasing amounts of commodities, tax cuts for the rich, many wars abroad, mercenaries, spies and politicians the world over. You see, this Did not affect inflation at home! The US got it all for free! Well, maybe for a forest or two.



Over subsequent decades the world's vaults bulged at the seams and more and more vaults were built, just for US dollars. Each year, the US spends many more dollars abroad than at home. Analysts pretty much agree that outside the US , of the savings, or reserves, of all other countries, in gold and all currencies -- that a massive 66% of this total wealth is in US dollars!



In 1971 several countries simultaneously tried to sell a small portion of their dollars to the US for gold. Krassimir Petrov, (Ph. D. in Economics at Ohio University ) recently wrote, 'The US Government defaulted on its payment on August 15, 1971 . While popular spin told the story of severing the link between the dollar and gold', in reality the denial to pay back in gold was an act of bankruptcy by the US Government.' The 1945 Breton Woods agreement was unilaterally smashed.



The dollar and US economy were on a precipice resembling Germany in 1929. The US now had to find a way for the rest of the world to believe and have faith in the paper dollar. The solution was in oil, in the petrodollar.



The US viciously bullied first Saudi Arabia and then OPEC to sell oil for dollars only -- it worked, the dollar was saved. Now countries had to keep dollars to buy much needed oil. And the US could buy oil all over the world,free of charge. What a Houdini for the US ! Oil replaced gold as the new

foundation to stop the paper dollar sinking.



Since 1971, the US printed even more mountains of dollars to spend abroad. The trade deficit grew and grew. The US sucked-in much of the world's products for next to nothing. More vaults were built.



Expert, Cóilínn Nunan, wrote in 2003, 'The dollar is the de facto world reserve currency: the US currency accounts for approximately two thirds of all official exchange reserves. More than four-fifths of all foreign exchange transactions and half of all world exports are denominated in dollars. In addition, all IMF loans are denominated in dollars.'



Dr Bulent Gukay of Keele University recently wrote, 'This system of the US dollar acting as global reserve currency in oil trade keeps the demand for the dollar `artificially' high. This enables the US to carry out printing dollars at the price of next to nothing to fund increased military spending and consumer spending on imports. There is no theoretical limit to the amount of dollars that can be printed. As long as the US has no serious challengers, and the other states have confidence in the US dollar, the system functions.'



Until recently, the US-dollar has been safe. However, since 1990 Western Europe has been busy growing, swallowing up central and Eastern Europe. French and German bosses were jealous of the US ability to buy goods and people the world over for nothing. They wanted a slice of the free cake too.



Further, they now had the power and established the euro in late 1999 against massive US-inspired opposition across Europe , especially from Britain - paid for in dollars of course. But the euro succeeded.



Only months after the euro-launch, Saddam's Iraq announced it was switching from selling oil in dollars only, to euros only -- breaking the OPEC agreement.. Iran , Russia , Venezuela , Libya , all began talking openly of switching too -- were the floodgates about to be opened?



Then aero planes flew into the twin-towers in September 2001. Was this another Houdini chance to save the US (petro) dollar and the biggest financial/economic crash in history? War preparations began in the US. But first war-fever had to be created -- and truth was the first casualty.



Other oil producing countries watched-on. In 2000 Iraq began selling oil in euros. In 2002, Iraq changed all their petro-dollars in their vaults into euros. A few months later, the US began their invasion of Iraq .



The whole world was watching: very few aware that the US was engaging in the first oil currency, or petro-dollar war. After the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, remember, the US secured oil areas first. Their first sales in August were, of course, in dollars, again. The only government building in Baghdad not bombed was the Oil Ministry! It does not matter how many people are murdered -- for the US , the petro-dollar must be saved as the only way to buy and sell oil - otherwise the US economy will crash, and much more besides.



In early 2003, Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuela talked openly of selling half of its oil in euros (the other half is bought by the US ). On 12 April 2003, the US-supported business leaders and some generals in Venezuela kidnapped Chavez and attempted a coup. The masses rose against this and the Army followed suit. The coup failed. This was bad for the US.



In November 2000 the euro/dollar was at $0.82 dollars, its lowest ever, and still diving, but when Iraq started selling oil in euros, the euro dive was halted. In April 2002 senior OPEC reps talked about trading in euros and the euro shot up. In June 2003 the US occupiers of Iraq switched trading back to dollars and the euro fell against the dollar again. In August 2003 Iran starts to sell oil in euros to some European countries and the euro rises sharply. In the winter of 2003-4 Russian and OPEC politicians talked seriously of switching oil/gas sales to the euro and the euro rose. In February 2004 OPEC met and made no decision to turn to the euro -- and yes, the euro fell against the dollar. In June 2004 Iran announced it would build an oil bourse to rival London and New York , and again, the euro rose. The euro stands at $1.27 and has been climbing of late.



But matters this month became far, far worse for the US dollar. On 5th May Iran registered its own Oil Bourse, the IOB. Not only are they now selling oil in euros from abroad -- they have established an actual Oil Bourse, a global trading centre for all countries to buy and sell their oil!



In Chavez's recent visit to London ; he talked openly about supporting the Iranian Oil Bourse, and selling oil in euros. When asked in London about the new arms embargo imposed by the US against Venezuela , Chavez prophetically dismissed the US as 'a paper tiger'.



Currently, almost all the world's oil is sold on either the NYMEX, New York Mercantile Exchange, or the IPE, London 's International Petroleum Exchange. Both are owned by US citizens and both sell and buy only in US dollars. The success of the Iran Oil Bourse makes sense to Europe , which buys 70% of Iran 's oil. It makes sense for Russia , which sells 66% of its oil to Europe . But worse for the US , China and India have already stated they are very interested in the new Iranian Oil Bourse.



If there is a tactical-nuclear strike on - deja-vu - `weapons of mass destruction' in Iran , who would bet against a certain Oil Exchange and more, being bombed too?



And worse for Bush. It makes sense for Europe , China , India and Japan-- as well as all the other countries mentioned above -- to buy and sell oil in Euro's. They will certainly have to stock-up on euros now, and they will sell dollars to do so. The euro is far more stable than the debt-ridden dollar. The IMF has recently highlighted US economic difficulties and the trade deficit strangling the US-- there is no way out.



The problem for so many countries now is how to get rid of their vaults full of dollars, before it crashes? And the US has bullied so many countries for so many decades around the world, that many will see a chance to kick the bully back. The US cannot accept even 5% of the world's dollars -- it would crash the US economy dragging much of the world with it, especially Britain.



To survive, as the Scottish Socialist Voice article stated, 'the US, needs to generate a trade surplus to get out of this one. Problem is it can't.' This is spot on. To do that they must force US workers into near slavery, to get paid less than Chinese or Indian workers. We all know that this will not happen.



What will happen in the US ? Chaos for sure. Maybe a workers revolution, but looking at the situation as it is now, it is more likely to be a re-run of Germany post-1929, and some form of extreme-right mass movement will emerge.



Does Europe and China/Asia have the economic independence and strength to stop the whole world's economies collapsing with the US ? Their vaults are full to the brim with dollars.



The US has to find a way to pay for its dollar-imperialist exploitation of the world since 1945.. Somehow, eventually, it has to account for every dollar in every vault in the world.



Bombing Iran could backfire tremendously. It would bring Iran openly into the war in Iraq , behind the Shiite majority. The US cannot cope even now with the much smaller Iraqi insurgency. Perhaps the US will feed into the Sunni v Shiite conflict and turn it into a wider Middle-East civil-war. However, this is so dangerous for global oil supplies. Further, they know that this would be temporary, as some country somewhere else, will establish a euro-oil-exchange, perhaps in Brussels.



There is one `solution' -- scrap the dollar and print a whole new currency for the US . This will destroy 66% of the rest of the world's savings/reserves in one swoop. Imagine the implications? Such are the desperate things now swimming around heads in the White House, Wall Street and Pentagon.



Another is to do as Germany did, just before invading Poland in 1938. The Nazis filmed a mock Polish Army attack on Germany , to win hearts and minds at home. But again, this is a finger in the dam. So, how is the US going to escape this time? The only global arena of total superiority left is military. Who knows what horrors lie ahead. A new world war is one tool by which the US could discipline its `allies' into keeping the dollar in their vaults.



The task of socialists today is to explain to as many as possible, especially our class, that the coming crisis belongs purely to capitalism and (dollar) imperialism. Not people of other cultures, not Islam, not the axis of evil or their so-called WMDs. Their system alone is to blame.



The new Iranian Oil Bourse, the IOB, is situated in a new building on the free-trade-zone island of Kish , in the Persian Gulf . It's computers and software are all set to go. The IOB was supposed to be up and running last March, but many pressures forced a postponement. Where the pressure came from is obvious. It was internationally registered on 5th May and supposed to open mid-May, but its opening was put off, some saying the oil-mafia was involved, along with much international pressure. Just Google `pertroeuro', and the story lies before you.


Your thoughts? :t-hands:
 
An old story. Nothing shocking really happened. The majority of oil trade is still done in US Dollars though.
The fall of the dollar have different causes such as huge trade deficit, ultra-low interest rates, huge US public debt, US economy being based on irrational consumer spending, spending boosted exclusively by lending customers the money etc.
 
An old story. Nothing shocking really happened. The majority of oil trade is still done in US Dollars though.
The fall of the dollar have different causes such as huge trade deficit, ultra-low interest rates, huge US public debt, US economy being based on irrational consumer spending, spending boosted exclusively by lending customers the money etc.

Oh ok thanks Eni. :usa7uh:

I thought the article was recent and related to the renewed talks of an attack on Iran.
 
Many analysts have predicted that oil will be traded in euros in the coming years... I guess this is the beginning.
 
Only months after the euro-launch, Saddam's Iraq announced it was switching from selling oil in dollars only, to euros only -- breaking the OPEC agreement.. Iran , Russia , Venezuela , Libya , all began talking openly of switching too -- were the floodgates about to be opened?

I have heard it suggested that Saddam's change to selling oil in Euros was "the real" reason for the Iraq war.
 
Many analysts have predicted that oil will be traded in euros in the coming years... I guess this is the beginning.

Well the Euro is after all the most important currency in the world. The U.S Dollar plays second fiddle to the euro, and will always do so.
 
^ What do you base that statement on klier?

He can see the future! :confused::D

I'd like to know how the North American's on this board are feeling about their economy.

Who has been the biggest villain, George bush or Alan Greenspan or neither? :t-hands:
 
The EU does have the largest GDP in the world ...so maybe that is what klier was referring to.


The biggest villains are probably consumers ...with their excessive spending of borrowed money to acquire unproductive, often depreciating, assets ...and the US is not alone in this.
 
The EU does have the largest GDP in the world ...so maybe that is what klier was referring to.


The biggest villains are probably consumers ...with their excessive spending of borrowed money to acquire unproductive, often depreciating, assets ...and the US is not alone in this.

But the banks are the ones who gave money away so cheaply.
 
^ That is so true. The financial sector is actually out of control.

I heard a report a few weeks ago that freaked me out. An analyst said that 50 years ago the financial sector was a fraction of the size of the "real economy". But today, the financial sector is at least 10 times larger than the real (productive) economy -- no wonder some people have made such vast fortunes seemingly out of thin air.
 
The Fed & the Administration (and the Congress) are to blame since they allow the financial sector to come out with damaging financial products / instruments (like loans to everybody, like speculative stock trading instruments etc).

As said: financial sector is out of control. To earn money they offer innovative product that hurt the system. Everybody knows that. But the regulators (Fed, Administration, Congress) allow that to boost spending and thus boost the economy.

The US economy is in s..t. That's the main reason for weak US dollar.
The economy is boosted by spending based on loans, stock trading is boosted by "innovative" financial products etc. The US debts (public & private) are enormous. In similar cases of "overdebt" some countries filed a bankruptcy in the past. US has that advantage it's still the military & trade super-power, therefore the world keeps Dollar alive.


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The solution? IMO the only possible scenario is a technological revolution: shift from oil to other energy sources, more power-efficient solutions etc. And US being a leading pioneer of this revolution. New technologies, new products, new solutions, new services, new companies, new spending - this time on more important stuff than Chinese-made jeans, or gadgets!

Also the trade-deal (free-trade agreements) hurt US economy badly. Not just the US one. Rich countries signed agreements with big perspective countries in development with huge markets (like China, India, Mexico, Brazil etc) from which only big multinational corporations have gained. And the customers in the short run - due being able to buy eg. cheap Chinese stuff.
But in the long run such agreements are hurting national economies badly. Not to mention due globalization & complete economy-crosslinks we became more dependent on developments on such big markets as eg. Chinese one. For example: the Chinese & Indian markets together are so huge they will sooner or later dictate all the global supply & demand (which is already happening). It's an extreme imbalance.
Not to mention such trade agreements include "incentives" to the "slave" party: eg. the poorer country has to open its market for companies from richer country, and as a "carrot" this poor country is entitled not to imply some regulation active in rich country - which makes the poor country more competitive & attractive for eg. investments. I'm talking eg. labor rights here, or pollution legislation, etc.


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As said: the only solution is a new tech revolution: green tech revolution. But developed & produced in USA, not being outsourced to China - that would make no sense & effect. And a regulation to "force" consumers to spend & invest in the new tech. Not only that would boost US economy but will also help to reduce the pollution, and allow us & our children to live in cleaner & healthier environment. But I'm not sure big corporations are prepared to risk it, and scarify some short-time gains for long-time ones.

OK, there is another solution which is much more depressing & devastating. But I'm afraid it will has far better chances to be realized. It's a proven method - in short run, but for the government & corporations that's all what matters: I'm talking about military spending here. New "editions" of Cold War, new real wars, new arming duels, opening new weapon market (eg. in Africa) etc.

We'll see. But there are no good signs on horizon.
 
^ That is so true. The financial sector is actually out of control.

I heard a report a few weeks ago that freaked me out. An analyst said that 50 years ago the financial sector was a fraction of the size of the "real economy". But today, the financial sector is at least 10 times larger than the real (productive) economy -- no wonder some people have made such vast fortunes seemingly out of thin air.

Yup. Mechanisms of wealth creation have been exploited which are clearly not sustainable. And now it seems like it may all come falling down.

The Fed & the Administration (and the Congress) are to blame since they allow the financial sector to come out with damaging financial products / instruments (like loans to everybody, like speculative stock trading instruments etc).

Exactly. Which is why I postulated who has been the biggest villain, Greenspan (Ex fed) or Bush (soo to be ex administraion).

It's a seriously scary thought that military spending and war may be considered a solution. Iran, and general chaos in the Middle East, may very well be on the drawcards for the US. :t-hands:
 
Exactly. Which is why I postulated who has been the biggest villain, Greenspan (Ex fed) or Bush (soo to be ex administraion).

It's a seriously scary thought that military spending and war may be considered a solution. Iran, and general chaos in the Middle East, may very well be on the drawcards for the US. :t-hands:


I'm not sure only Greenspan & Bush are to blame. Some bad things have already been done in Reagan, Bush sr. & Clinton era.

As said before: financial sector is one big virtual bubble today. Nothing really to do with real sector / economy anymore. And since this have become bubble is so big & so important everybody wants to keep it safe & turning - at any price. Otherwise there will be a total collapse of economy on global level. And nobody wants that.

As said: if nothing else will help military (sector) will. It always does. Sadly.
Putting Middle East on fire is one of the options: US, EU, Japan, Australia & allies getting an excuse to occupy Middle East & get the control over oil reserves. Something should be done to fight growing Russian influence in energy sector. Either this (incl. sponsoring Venezuela coup & in some oil-rich African countries), or a tech revolution. Either of option is concerning Russian authorities, and the ones in Middle east as well - even more.

Who knows what will happen: it all depends how strong special interests will be, and how some leaders will (re)act (mainly the ones in US, Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Israel & Iran). The outcome is highly uncertain.


The best for the people -at least in the long run - will be a green tech revolution. But I'm not sure that's in the interest of special interests (oil & gas companies, military companies, energy companies etc).


So, help us Common sense! Since the God & Co. had already been corrupted a long time ago. ;)
 
He can see the future! :confused::D

I'd like to know how the North American's on this board are feeling about their economy.

Who has been the biggest villain, George bush or Alan Greenspan or neither? :t-hands:


Well, technically I am again an American citizen :t-banghea The dollar is going down the toilet to put it very nicely. There are stores in NYC that are now accepting euros as a matter of fact. "Our" economy is also in the toilet, people are getting their houses foreclosed on every single day in huge numbers. The business thats really booming around the US is doing repo work since everyone is now losing everything they own due to the economy. Alan Greenspan was never any sort of villain, and george bush isnt smart enough to be one. The economy is sinking like the Titanic, I have the vast majority of my money overseas and am glad that I do. Ok, thats enough ranting for the day
 
Iran, and general chaos in the Middle East, may very well be on the drawcards for the US. :t-hands:


I have a very close friend who is high up in the US military, we will be in Iran soon enough (well technically we have been there for about 7 years, but i mean in a war with them)
 
^I think this much depends on the election
But if so..you might be wise to move after your money over seas..haha:D
 
George Soros and his groups are very vocal during this election period, scary things could happen.


On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros became immediately famous when he sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.

Finally, the Bank of England was forced to withdraw the currency out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and to devalue the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."

The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."

According to Steven Drobny, Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position," in accord with Druckenmiller's own research and instincts.

In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Later, he called Soros a moron. Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people".
 
George Soros and his groups are very vocal during this election period, scary things could happen.


On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros became immediately famous when he sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.

Finally, the Bank of England was forced to withdraw the currency out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and to devalue the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."

The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."

According to Steven Drobny, Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position," in accord with Druckenmiller's own research and instincts.

In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Later, he called Soros a moron. Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people".

I don't want to sound like I am defending George Soros, but the cashing in on the Bank of England was going to happen with or without Soros involved.
We must understand the he is an economist and a political scientist as well.
He was able to analyze the effect of the German unification, and the various currencies that were hedged against one another : Pound-Deustche Mark-Franc etc. There is always an economic impact with certain political decisions.
Just like every other currency speculator which is not an illegal line of work, he postulated the consequences of certain geopolitical events, placed his bet on it and cashed in on it.

If you 6 yrs ago had the foresight that the trade deficit was going to have a negative impact on the US$, and the federal deficit will have the same impact on the US$ and hedge on $.8 to the Euro, you will probably made the decision Soros he made.
If you understand the economics of the energy sector and take into account the impact of China and India on the global energy market and hedge oil at $40/bl I am sure you will be smiling to the bank.
If you know that a weaker US$ will increase the price of dollar denominated commodities, then you would have started buying Oil,Gold, Metals etc long time ago because as the dollar gets weaker these commodities will have to be priced higher to offset the devaluation of the currency.

By the way the biggest contributor to the decline of the price of oil over the last 2 months is entirely due to a strengthening $. The reason for the strengthening $ is primarily driven by a weakening Pound(UK economy).
 

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