Volkswagen gearbox recall expands to Japan: 91 000 cars affected

[Monster]

I think it is time for VW to come clean with their problematic DSG gearbox.

Volkswagen is recalling around 91,000 cars in Japan due to potential problems with the company’s dual-clutch (DSG) automatic gearboxes, less than two months after more than 384,000 cars were recalled in China for a similar issue.
A Volkswagen spokesperson told Reuters the gearbox problems related to the seven-speed transmission were due to Japan’s hot and wet climate, extreme stop-start traffic and pollution typical of some Asian cities.
In March, a recall of 384,181 Volkswagen Group vehicles in China was announced – costing an estimated $600 million – due to problems with the direct-shift DSG transmissions that included abnormal vibrations, loss of power and sudden acceleration.
The China recall affected 21 vehicle lines built between 2008 and March 2013, including the Volkswagen Golf, Scirocco, Bora, Touran, Passat, Magotan and Sagitar, the Audi A3 and the Skoda Octavia.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/231339/volkswagen-gearbox-recall-expands-to-japan-91000-cars-affected/

 

[Wunderkind]

I think this is an inevitable bump along the learning curve. It's an expensive mistake, but hopefully they will learn from it and never repeat it and make even better DSG's in the future.

 

[Monster]

I think this is an inevitable bump along the learning curve. It's an expensive mistake, but hopefully they will learn from it and never repeat it and make even better DSG's in the future.

It will be nice for VW to release some official information or at least an acknowledgement.

 

[Deckhook]

Surely if it was a design fault issue all DSGs worldwide would have been recalled?

Though talked with an English teacher who taught in Japan she did say the traffic in Toyko and the likes is unreal and like nowhere else.

 

[lukeswiss]

Apparently they also recalled in France.

I find it frustrating that they would recall in some countries but not in others, like Tokyo, parts of Australia are humid and have plenty of traffic.

Was just trying to convince my mother to take the DSG on her upcoming purchase..... wondering if it'll be more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Zafiro]

There been issues in Sweden as well but VW Sweden refuse to fix it for free. Instead owners need to pay some of the costs.
Swedish insurance companies also been complaining about the DSG issues. Too many owners contact our insurance companies about it.

 

[Mr Robert]

...and now sales to taxi companies has been halted. The boxes simply doesn't cut it.

I would never buy a VAG-group dual clutch box.

 

[Wunderkind]

The final bill for the recall maybe around $1.80billion. All that money for that extra 100ms in shift speed...................

 

[lukeswiss]

I just hope they sort the issues out.

 

[Deckhook]

There been issues in Sweden as well but VW Sweden refuse to fix it for free. Instead owners need to pay some of the costs.

I take it you are talking about claims outside of warranty otherwise I can't see how they could refuse responsibility. It's one of the main reasons why we shifted the S4 as it's warranty was coming to the end and a replacement DSG was telephone numbers if something went wrong. That said we never had any issue with any of our cars equipped with DSG.

Though to be completely honest about this having spent a decent amount of time with the wife's X1 and it's 8sp auto I don't really see the benefit of dual clutch in normal cars, so good in that ZF box.

 

[martinbo]

Like I've been harping on for the longest time: Dual-Clutch Transmissions have their place. They're fine in low-mileage applications - mom-mobile Golfs doing the school run; weekender sports cars and so forth. But in the daily grind of stop-start, rush hour commute? All that dual clutch engaging and disengaging... Let's be realistic; this technology is not suited to heavy-duty usage. That's why many of the new SUVs and large saloons (even within the VAG group) are seeing the eschewing of DCTs in favour of the better real-world reliability of the ZF 8 speed auto. That's a key reason why I hope that BMW don't exclusively offer the M3 with a DCT box. High mileage examples will be expensive to keep running.

 

[Zafiro]

Two weeks ago I was extremely close to put an order on the new Seat Leon FR 1.8TFSI. The salesperson offered me DSG for the same price as manual version but I said no thanks because I knew about the realibility issues, also I prefer manual gearbox. No, DSG isnt even an option, its just extra problems. Anyway, the deal is off because the salesperson didnt do his job properly.

 

[Deckhook]

^If you intended to keep the car only the length of the warranty I personally don't see a problem with DSG or any dual clutch transmission because all eventualities are covered but if you are the type to keep a car for several years then I would lean towards the manual or auto route.

 

[Monster]

^If you intended to keep the car only the length of the warranty I personally don't see a problem with DSG or any dual clutch transmission because all eventualities are covered but if you are the type to keep a car for several years then I would lean towards the manual or auto route.

Well........there is a small thing of not having your car when you needed it, being left by the side of the road, and when it is time to sell the car, the resell value will take a hit too if the car has a problematic service history.

 

[Zafiro]

9/10 used Golf GTI/Scirrocos for sale in Sweden is equipped with DSG and they've been for sale for a very long time. Perhaps people are aware of the problems and the cars are hard to sell.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

1.8 Billion! Wow. Luckily VAG has deep pockets.

And then people complain that Mercedes DSG is a bit tardy compared to VW box in situations. Probably has something to do with their emphasis on long term durability and reliability.

 

[Deckhook]

^^^As I've never had an issue of being left stranded or got poor residuals on any of my DSG cars I can't really see the big problem as I can only give my opinion based on my own personal experience but if you have had issues of being left stranded and got less for your car then I could see why you would feel this way.

 

[Mr Robert]

I've done some further reading and found that the typical DSG-failure, on private cars, occurs at 50,000 -100,000 kms and after about 4-5 years of use - that's not much!

 

[Deckhook]

^Can you post links to this information?

 

[Zafiro]

Seems to be cars affected from 2008 to 2011 where most of the problems are from and DSG gearboxes with dry**** (dont know the english word). According to swedish motorpress.