CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Even if AMG 4 Door Coupe manages to outgun the Panamera dynamically, it is still a class below. A real Panamera competitor would be a S class 4 Door Coupe.
Videos 0-300 km/h: BMW M5 vs AMG E 63 S vs Porsche Panamera Turbo S vs Cadillac CTS-V sport auto
manuelf
Kraftkurve King
Some link to support this statement? The GT chassis is a bespoke AMG chassis with a transaxle and front middle engine layout. It has nothing to do with E class.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
GT yes, GT 4 door no. It's not a stand alone GT chassis, it is not a transaxle and it is based on the E class. This was officially announced by MB. Three cars on the same basis: E class, CLS and AMG 4 Door Coupe
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
The Panamera is in no mans land, it’s not dynamically capable as the class benchM5ark or the E63S and not as good as a S class or 7er as a luxury car.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Better check the sales statistics. On all the major markets the Panamera is overtaking the 7er.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
It is fastest and sportiest in its class by a track mile.
Also you can twist it to no mans land or unique proposal, there is no orher car like it until they make 4 door coupes of the 7,S and a8.
You are free to slice the cake as you please.
Ps
Correction Aston rapide is like the panamera. So there is another one but it’s a dinosaur.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
Which proves my point doesn’t it.
Let me just say it’s not the Porsche I’d have. The II Panamera is great car with the brand cachet the other Germans simply can’t match ,but there are better cars for less money.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Of course it’s not the Porsche anyone would have out of the line up, and it still goes head to head with the top of what the other Germans have to offer in their line ups, proves your point of the brand cachet thing.
How can you pick a panamera when the line up has gt2s and gt3s and 918s? Lol
And this there are better cars for less money can be said about a shit load of cars, especially as they get more and more expensive.
Grosser
Stuttgart Specialist
I must say I agree with you on that. It's trying everything but not accomplishing much, but that's just my opinion. Facts may be something different.
sako97
Autotechnik Ace
Sorry, but lol. None of that is true; it was just speculation prior to release. It's based off the modular MRA platform that underpins the E, CLS, etc. In it's specification, it's closest in relation to the E63.
Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door revealed at Geneva with 630bhp V8
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
It's a fact that we can see this Panamera in a comparison test with the M5, E63 AMG and the next day in a comparison test with the S class, A8 and the 7er. This can not be said for any other car.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
Haven’t seen such a positive review from MT about a BMW in a long time especially from JL ...it’s either BMW are paying these rags good money again 
or it’s really that good. Can’t wait for the head to head.
“For pure driving thrills in the just-over-two-ton sedan class, I still believe I'd prefer the purer, more focused Cadillac CTS-V. But without driving the two cars back to back on the same day on the same road, it's hard to say for certain. Call it a hunch. I can say that compared to E 63 or RS 7, BMW's got 'em licked not just in terms of performance but also in terms of driving pleasure. I think what I'm most shocked about is that this F90 M5 shares a platform with all the other G30 5 Series that I've driven, and it is superior to the point that the car honestly doesn't feel related. No, it's not an E39 M5. Want a new one of those? Maybe some Chevy dealer still has a recently discontinued SS lying around. Also no, this big beast is not the deceptively great, F1-engined E60. But you know what? The wallflower-looking F90 does indeed rock. More important, unlike the last version, I say this M5 is worthy of the badge. Future performance icon? Just maybe. Although maybe I'm just getting soft. Maybe I've been seduced by the F90's crazy numbers? Last night I tried one of my wife's sweet potato fries. Nope. I still hate yams.”
2018 BMW M5 First Test Review - Motor Trend
or it’s really that good. Can’t wait for the head to head. “For pure driving thrills in the just-over-two-ton sedan class, I still believe I'd prefer the purer, more focused Cadillac CTS-V. But without driving the two cars back to back on the same day on the same road, it's hard to say for certain. Call it a hunch. I can say that compared to E 63 or RS 7, BMW's got 'em licked not just in terms of performance but also in terms of driving pleasure. I think what I'm most shocked about is that this F90 M5 shares a platform with all the other G30 5 Series that I've driven, and it is superior to the point that the car honestly doesn't feel related. No, it's not an E39 M5. Want a new one of those? Maybe some Chevy dealer still has a recently discontinued SS lying around. Also no, this big beast is not the deceptively great, F1-engined E60. But you know what? The wallflower-looking F90 does indeed rock. More important, unlike the last version, I say this M5 is worthy of the badge. Future performance icon? Just maybe. Although maybe I'm just getting soft. Maybe I've been seduced by the F90's crazy numbers? Last night I tried one of my wife's sweet potato fries. Nope. I still hate yams.”
2018 BMW M5 First Test Review - Motor Trend
nikola1984
Kraftkurve King
Moto Trend:
0-60mph- M5 3.0 sec, E63 AMG S 3.2 sec
1/4 mile- M5 11.1 sec@ 126.7mph, E63 AMG S 11.3 sec@ 124.4mph
Breaking 60mph-0- M5 97 ft, E63 AMG S 116ft
MT FIGURE EIGHT - M5 23.3 sec, E63 AMG S 23.6 sec
0-60mph- M5 3.0 sec, E63 AMG S 3.2 sec
1/4 mile- M5 11.1 sec@ 126.7mph, E63 AMG S 11.3 sec@ 124.4mph
Breaking 60mph-0- M5 97 ft, E63 AMG S 116ft
MT FIGURE EIGHT - M5 23.3 sec, E63 AMG S 23.6 sec
nikola1984
Kraftkurve King
"I’m doing you, dear enthusiast reader, a disservice if I type another sentence without mentioning the new M5’s performance. I’d ask if you’re sitting down, but you might as well be standing on your head. Zero to 60 mph happens in 3.0 seconds. Yes, 3 seconds flat to 60 mph. McLaren 675LT? Zero to 60 mph in 3.0 seconds. Acura NSX? 3.1 seconds. More important, the 603-hp Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4Matic+ takes 3.2 seconds to hit 60 mph, the 605-hp Audi RS 7 does 3.3 seconds, and the 640-hp Cadillac CTS-V needs 3.8. If you want to get to 60 mph quicker in a four-door vehicle, call Tesla, as the instant-torque Model S P100D Ludicrous Plus is our all-time champ at 2.3 seconds. The M5 is real quick.
This fact is further borne out down the quarter mile. A Ferrari Enzo and the 2017 Nissan GT-R NISMO both rip up the quarter in 11.0 seconds. The BMW M5, like the 991.1Porsche GT3 RS, Carrera GT, Ferrari 458 Italia, and AMG SLS Black Series, is slower, all needing 11.1 seconds to go 1,320 feet. Corvette Z06? 11.2 seconds. That’s just plum whacky. Are you not impressed? Also, the BMW’s ridiculous numbers aren’t just the result of AWD grip during the launch. The four-door’s 126.7-mph trap speed is just 0.3 mph behind the 3,550-pound Z06. Please note: Out here in the Golden State, we’re (stupidly, pointlessly, frustratingly) running our tests on 91-octane “premium,” not 93, so in many other places, the M5 will be even quicker. As for the direct competition, the AMG E 63 S (more than 300 pounds heavier at 4,581) comes closest, doing 11.3 at 124.2 mph. The Audi RS 7 takes 11.5 seconds at 120.4 mph, and the RWD-only Caddy CTS-V brings up the rear, doing the quarter in 11.9 at 122.0 mph. Your takeaway: This new M5 is an accelerative monster.
She handles great, too. In our figure-eight testing the M5 put down a 23.3-second lap. That’s extraordinary. That’s 1.1 seconds off of a Lamborghini Huracán Performante with triple-sticky tires and 0.9 second behind the alien-technology-infused McLaren 720S. As for the direct competition, the E 63 S does a 23.6, the RS 7 lays down a 24.6, and the CTS-V is good for a 24.2. For just a little more perspective, the lightweight track-day-special BMW M4 GTS also does a 23.3-second lap, as do the Shelby GT350R and the Corvette Grand Sport. Crazy plus amazing equals cramazing. The Mercedes-AMG GT S, our former Best Driver’s Car, needs 23.4 seconds. Oh, and let’s not forget braking. The M5 needs just 97 feet to stop from 60 mph, whereas the E 63 S requires 116 feet, the Audi RS 7 needs 105 feet, and the Cadillac uses 99 feet. What a beast."
This fact is further borne out down the quarter mile. A Ferrari Enzo and the 2017 Nissan GT-R NISMO both rip up the quarter in 11.0 seconds. The BMW M5, like the 991.1Porsche GT3 RS, Carrera GT, Ferrari 458 Italia, and AMG SLS Black Series, is slower, all needing 11.1 seconds to go 1,320 feet. Corvette Z06? 11.2 seconds. That’s just plum whacky. Are you not impressed? Also, the BMW’s ridiculous numbers aren’t just the result of AWD grip during the launch. The four-door’s 126.7-mph trap speed is just 0.3 mph behind the 3,550-pound Z06. Please note: Out here in the Golden State, we’re (stupidly, pointlessly, frustratingly) running our tests on 91-octane “premium,” not 93, so in many other places, the M5 will be even quicker. As for the direct competition, the AMG E 63 S (more than 300 pounds heavier at 4,581) comes closest, doing 11.3 at 124.2 mph. The Audi RS 7 takes 11.5 seconds at 120.4 mph, and the RWD-only Caddy CTS-V brings up the rear, doing the quarter in 11.9 at 122.0 mph. Your takeaway: This new M5 is an accelerative monster.
She handles great, too. In our figure-eight testing the M5 put down a 23.3-second lap. That’s extraordinary. That’s 1.1 seconds off of a Lamborghini Huracán Performante with triple-sticky tires and 0.9 second behind the alien-technology-infused McLaren 720S. As for the direct competition, the E 63 S does a 23.6, the RS 7 lays down a 24.6, and the CTS-V is good for a 24.2. For just a little more perspective, the lightweight track-day-special BMW M4 GTS also does a 23.3-second lap, as do the Shelby GT350R and the Corvette Grand Sport. Crazy plus amazing equals cramazing. The Mercedes-AMG GT S, our former Best Driver’s Car, needs 23.4 seconds. Oh, and let’s not forget braking. The M5 needs just 97 feet to stop from 60 mph, whereas the E 63 S requires 116 feet, the Audi RS 7 needs 105 feet, and the Cadillac uses 99 feet. What a beast."
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
23,6sec for the AMG. 26,6s would have been ridiculously off pace for this class.
fuhro
Premium
Autozeitung test results from today:
1st: BMW M5: 3287 points (3079 without price)
Weight: 1915 kg
Tyres: Pirelli P Zero
Price incl relevant options: 135.400€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 45/68 dB
Fuel Consumption: 12,3 l/100 km
0-50: 1,4 s
0-100: 3,1 s
0-150: 6,1 s
0-200: 10,3 s
Slalom: 70,7 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.38,4 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 33,4/31,2 m
Braking (150-0): 71,0 m
2nd: Porsche Panamera Turbo: 3258 points (3072 without price)
Weight: 2048 kg
Tyres: Continental SportContact 5P N0
Price incl relevant options: 177.150€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 48/68 dB
Fuel Consumption: 13,0 l/100 km
0-50: 1,3 s
0-100: 3,2 s
0-150: 6,7 s
0-200: 11,7 s
Slalom: 69,5 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.41,5 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 32,8/31,4 m
Braking (150-0): 72,5 m
3rd: Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+: 3073 points (2886 without price)
Weight: 2038 kg
Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Price incl relevant options: 134.611€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 45/69 dB
Fuel Consumption: 14,2 l/100 km
0-50: 1,3 s
0-100: 3,2 s
0-150: 6,1 s
0-200: 10,4 s
Slalom: 69,0 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.39,9 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 33,8/32,6 m
Braking (150-0): 72,9 m
Verdict: (roughly translated)
The new BMW M5 is the best example of german engineering and a deserved winner in this comparison. It fascinates on the racetrack with its sensational powertrain and agile handling. But still BMW neither forgot the comfort nor is it too expensive. The Porsche Panamera Turbo has a balanced and elegant ride and a lot of spac, but it is too expensive and lacks the sheer punch of the M5. Third winner is the Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+, because it creates true Race-Feeling with its aggressive handling, the hammering V8 and the harsh ride and does no compromise.
1st: BMW M5: 3287 points (3079 without price)
Weight: 1915 kg
Tyres: Pirelli P Zero
Price incl relevant options: 135.400€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 45/68 dB
Fuel Consumption: 12,3 l/100 km
0-50: 1,4 s
0-100: 3,1 s
0-150: 6,1 s
0-200: 10,3 s
Slalom: 70,7 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.38,4 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 33,4/31,2 m
Braking (150-0): 71,0 m
2nd: Porsche Panamera Turbo: 3258 points (3072 without price)
Weight: 2048 kg
Tyres: Continental SportContact 5P N0
Price incl relevant options: 177.150€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 48/68 dB
Fuel Consumption: 13,0 l/100 km
0-50: 1,3 s
0-100: 3,2 s
0-150: 6,7 s
0-200: 11,7 s
Slalom: 69,5 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.41,5 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 32,8/31,4 m
Braking (150-0): 72,5 m
3rd: Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+: 3073 points (2886 without price)
Weight: 2038 kg
Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Price incl relevant options: 134.611€
Noise @ idle/130 kph: 45/69 dB
Fuel Consumption: 14,2 l/100 km
0-50: 1,3 s
0-100: 3,2 s
0-150: 6,1 s
0-200: 10,4 s
Slalom: 69,0 kph
Laptime (Nürburgring GP): 1.39,9 min
Braking (100-0 c/w): 33,8/32,6 m
Braking (150-0): 72,9 m
Verdict: (roughly translated)
The new BMW M5 is the best example of german engineering and a deserved winner in this comparison. It fascinates on the racetrack with its sensational powertrain and agile handling. But still BMW neither forgot the comfort nor is it too expensive. The Porsche Panamera Turbo has a balanced and elegant ride and a lot of spac, but it is too expensive and lacks the sheer punch of the M5. Third winner is the Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+, because it creates true Race-Feeling with its aggressive handling, the hammering V8 and the harsh ride and does no compromise.
Frankie G
Premium
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
The reviews are so much more positive compare to previous generation M5. BMW did good and done the homework with the new M5.
Base version of the M5 is quicker and handles better than E63S, Panamera, first time in two generations back.
M5 Competition package going to be quicker and better too, when will we see a E63S+ to take back the crown...
Base version of the M5 is quicker and handles better than E63S, Panamera, first time in two generations back.
M5 Competition package going to be quicker and better too, when will we see a E63S+ to take back the crown...
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
This is the third major test with a clear win (at least over the E class) for the M5. Starting to look more like a "BenchM5ark"R
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