6 Series 2017 BMW 6 Series Rumors

[Matski]

For shit sakes - there's nothing wrong with keeping it like it is. 3er, 4er, 5er, 6er, 7er and - for entering the dick-measuring contest with the Merc S-Class Coupe - an 8er would be just fine.
I'm hearing talk that the 5er GT (which is like a big 3er GT) is going to become a 6er, and the 6er is going to become a - aww fukkit - I've got better things to occupy my time with.

I'm beginning to think the product planning and marketing teams aren't talking to each other anymore, and both basically use a set of dice to come up with everything.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Too much Lsd in these marketing brain storming. Also they need some new technical gurus with more balls and charisma. Some new reitzles who would sometimes tell as it's.

 

[chonkoa]

I think they are slowly losing the plot, and customers here in North America are sensing it.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

For shit sakes - there's nothing wrong with keeping it like it is. 3er, 4er, 5er, 6er, 7er and - for entering the dick-measuring contest with the Merc S-Class Coupe - an 8er would be just fine.
I'm hearing talk that the 5er GT (which is like a big 3er GT) is going to become a 6er, and the 6er is going to become a - aww fukkit - I've got better things to occupy my time with.

Your "dick-measuring contest" statement evoked quite a chuckle.

Somehow, I perceive the M-B C217 as being situated in an admittedly stratospheric realm somewhere between the current top BMW 2+2, 2 door offerings (aka current 6 series cars) and the, for example, Bentley Continental GT. An arguably schizophrenic specimen of an automobile. A combination of boudoir-like opulence (interior) and (somewhat flawed yet still compelling) exterior athleticism. A car that appears to be doing well in terms of unit sales yet, according to a number of automotive press reports, will not be succeeded.

BMW may be well-advised to revisit the 2007 CS theme (translated into a 2+2 2 door as well as 4 door theme). I know, "reactionary" as f**k all.

 

[martinbo]

And, from my side, it's always a pleasure to read your posts, @Jimmy.

 

[chonkoa]

Your "dick-measuring contest" statement evoked quite a chuckle.

Somehow, I perceive the M-B C217 as being situated in an admittedly stratospheric realm somewhere between the current top BMW 2+2, 2 door offerings (aka current 6 series cars) and the, for example, Bentley Continental GT. An arguably schizophrenic specimen of an automobile. A combination of boudoir-like opulence (interior) and (somewhat flawed yet still compelling) exterior athleticism. A car that appears to be doing well in terms of unit sales yet, according to a number of automotive press reports, will not be succeeded.

BMW may be well-advised to revisit the 2007 CS theme (translated into a 2+2 2 door as well as 4 door theme). I know, "reactionary" as f**k all.

Don't count on the decision makers at BMW to do the right thing - CS is dead as far those numb nuts are concerned.
They massively shot their big toe off by not making the CS. The rest of the industry has caught on and leaving them in the dust bin.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Lot of you guys said pretty much what I was thinking. I don't see the point of having a 5er-based coupe when the 4er coupe fills that niche. Effectively, I've considered the current 6er coupe/cab to be competitive with the S (CL) coupe except that the being badged a 6-series has given it the appearance of being a wrung below the 7er. Being badged an 8er, it will be seen for what it truly is, a full-sized coupe/cabrio without any confusion or doubts that was associated with it being labeled a 6er.

I think BMW ought to have structured their mainstream offering as so...
2er: compact RWD coupe
3er: compact RWD-based sedan, Touring, GT
4er: RWD-based 2- and 4-door based coupe that's slightly larger than the 3er
5er: midsize RWD based sedan, Touring. Keep the GT as 5er.
6er: have that filled by the sports car that's being co-developed by Toyota and call it the Z6 and that's it.
7er: full-sized RWD sedan in SWB and LWB
8er: Full-size RWD-based 2- and 4-door coupe

5er based "6 series" would effectively cannibalize sales from the 4er and 8er, it'd be a waste.

As an aside, I also think that Mercedes-Benz is offering way too many coupes. Unless they are going to move the S coupe further upmarket closer to Conti status, the E coupe will be a superfluous. In fact, they ought to move their SL a little down-market so it, along with the 3rd gen CLS, which would cover the middle. Let the C Coupe cover the lower market and let the duo of S Coupe/Cabrio and AMG GTC cover the upper market. But the discussion for MB's strategy is for another thread.

 

[Giannis]

As longs as it drives good and looks good they can call the next 6er "Mike" for all I care.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Don't count on the decision makers at BMW to do the right thing - CS is dead as far those numb nuts are concerned.
They massively shot their big toe off by not making the CS. The rest of the industry has caught on and leaving them in the dust bin.

I am actually thinking about an automobile with a "kindred spirit".

Admittedly a fan of the VFL Concept, I could envision something very similar in terms of exterior aesthetics and interior. With a far more shallow, more rakish greenhouse/side glass. Perhaps slightly diminished in overall length, not exceeding 5,15 meters in GC form.

 

[Matski]

The rest of the industry has caught on and leaving them in the dust bin.

How so?

 

[chonkoa]

How so?

I will respond in details later.
But quickly:

• Design language- the loathed Chris Bangle launched BMW design language that influenced the auto industry. This new design influenced the entire supply chain.
  
• Driving- gone are the days when BMW drivers will tell you about that subtle feel that puts a grin on their faces.
  
• Engine- used to be known for their refinement and brilliance (excluding Ferrari, and the Porsche flat 6)

 

[Matski]

I will respond in details later.
But quickly:

• Design language- the loathed Chris Bangle launched BMW design language that influenced the auto industry. This new design influenced the entire supply chain.
  
• Driving- gone are the days when BMW drivers will tell you about that subtle feel that puts a grin on their faces.
  
• Engine- used to be known for their refinement and brilliance (excluding Ferrari, and the Porsche flat 6)

I'll await a more detailed response but I'm curious to know what launching the CS Concept would have done to change that.

 

[Der Hofmeister]

I really do not understand Krueger's decision to mess the current BMW lineup. As far as I am supposed, Prof. Dr. Norbert Reithofer has easily been one of the best presidents BMW has ever had. He managed to unify and redefine the brand by filling up the gaps between the core models with attractive niche models.

The idea of Krueger that the 6er should become a standalone sports car model is wrong. Why not have the future 6er as it is today (with its already popular Coupe, Gran Coupe and Convertible variants), let the 5er GT remain a 5er (to not further dilute the essence of the 6er lineup), build an 8er with as many variants needed to cater to 7er and, possibly, 9er clients who wish for more exclusivity and build a proper hypercar such as a modern BMW M1?

For me and probably for most fans, this rehaul of the lineup is not making much sense. And it is a shame to destroy an order that has been proven to be highly successful.

Sorry, but Gran Coupe does not equal Gran Turismo, Mr. Krueger. And the 6er is not intended to be a sports car in the true sense of the term. The customers won't buy this gimmicks you're trying to sell them.

BMW has already lost the crown in the premium segment, and that's not a good accomplishment for your career.

 

[Matski]

For me and probably for most fans, this rehaul of the lineup is not making much sense. And it is a shame to destroy an order that has been proven to be highly successful.

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BMW has already lost the crown in the premium segment, and that's not a good accomplishment for your career.

I think we're not going to see the full picture probably for another 3-4 years, by then it might make sense, but I agree for now, 6GT is a bad move.

As for the sales crown, the slow introduction of a 1 series sedan can't be blamed on Kruger, and this is the biggest area BMW lag behind Mercedes volume wise in a single segment. Enthusiast cars such as the AMG GT, are racking up sales for Mercedes, but not at the rate that something like the V-Class does (which is the second biggest single segment Mercedes lead BMW), so though it would be nice, it's not necessarily going to alter the balance if BMW broaden their portfolio in the sports car area. I'd forget being number 1 in sales for now, especially if Mercedes start including Nissan pick-up trucks in their car numbers.

 

[bmwownage]

I don't think the model series number don't make sense, they actually do. 1 - 9, smallest to biggest, cheapest to most expensive. Their intention is quite clear - they don't want to call something a car a 5series when they want to sell it at a higher price tag than the 5series. And then, screw the rest, they just don't give a ----. Essence of the 6er badge? They don't give a toss, it's just a number to them - and this is aligned to what non-enthusiasts thinks - the bigger the number the more up-class.
So screw this. M1 won't be any supercar, it'll be the M version of the 1series hatch or sedan. They don't care about the old M1, they probably decided to build concepts just for the sake of marketing and reminding the public that this firm has a sporty history, but zero interest in reviving it because they are probably more interested in selling vans.
How I feel about BMW is that they are doing pretty well, and so well that these guys have nothing to do and decide to change the numbers, and perhaps pay themselves a higher bonus for their "achievement" at year end. I mean changing the numbers won't really harm sales i think, it's just plain stupidity.

 

[EnI]

What costs BMW a sales crown was an incapability to come up with an entry version 4dr car. 1er Sedan came up too late, and even now it's limited to Chinese market. Also MB benefited from new Mks of high-volume selling models like C-class, E-class & GLC, and also simultaneously introducing new niche cars like GLC & GLE coupes. Not to mention they are including V-class van sales into MB passenger cars sales! Exclude those numbers and the MB 2016 sales advantage becomes much thinner.

Mind BMW is entering the new Mk cycle of high-volume selling car as we speak: new 5er, new X3, new X5, new 3er etc.

Also, MB's sales lag in previous years was artificially greater than it should be - due to MB's fiasco with dealer network in China. In 2016 the situation with China dealer network was solved, and sales went back to normal pre-fiasco levels.

People tend to buy newer models - especially when older ones (from the rival brands) are technologically outdated. In these days technological progress is even more evident, and people award new cars with higher demand. Design also counts. And pricing does count even more!

Also ... losing a sales crown is not a sign of a disaster. It's a waking call. It made MB better after losing sales crown in 2005. And I'm sure BMW will definitely rebounce in the next years.

 

[SKY]

Also ... losing a sales crown is not a sign of a disaster. It's a waking call. It made MB better after losing sales crown in 2005. And I'm sure BMW will definitely rebounce in the next years.

Oh my... Do you really mean us, as car enthusiasts, should not start panicking for a company selling more than other?

Seriously, this paragraph should be posted here from time to time (once a week, by the look of the thread). It just sums it up perfectly.

I would be more than happy if BMW ditched all those fugly nitches and caused the company a sales loss. I am a BMW fan, not a BMW shareholder.

 

[klier]

I think we're way off topic, and have been for some time.

This thread is about the next gen 6er. If we want to discuss model names or sales, there are other threads and ways.

@Giannis, do your cleanup

Oh my... Do you really mean us, as car enthusiasts, should not start panicking for a company selling more than other?

Particularly when they both are at all time record highs.

 

[Giannis]

@Giannis, do your cleanup

I'm on vacation!

 

[klier]

Have a good one!

Where did you go?