GT 2026 AMG GT 4-Door Vision EV

[Swissbob]

TBH they’re one trick pony’s.

That’s my personal opinion.
And I fully agree with @Merc1

 

[Sunny]

Realistically, most of the people commenting are probably like me, and don't even have a sports car/supercar.

Nothing to do with sportscar/supercar. If you drive a manual civic and tell me you find EVs boring, I will understand. You drive an 6000lb XM or G class and tell me the same, I will laugh. Most folks have not driven a good sporty EV. They just jump on the "EVs not fun" bandwagon to sound cool.

Anyhow, there's plenty of research that explains why humans find the characteristics of engine/exhaust/intake sounds appealing on a neuro-sensory level, and I'd suggest it's all pretty solid... however, I believe whether you need it be real, or accept it when you know it's artificial, is more of a purely psychological thing.

I been playing the fake sound/shift a lot with 5N, here is some disconnected observations, fwiw -

- The sound, when you turn it on, at first it is obvious it is fake.
- 2 mins in, you forget it is.
- Initially, I had the sound on all the time, but then I realized when you are going on the street/highway at constant speed it is just a monotonous drone. And you actually only realize that wen you turn it off and then it is a relief. So now I only turn it on when approaching a ramp/back road driving. Now even when driving ICEV, I am wishing I can turn off the sound when cruising along on a freeway.
- But one material way the sound definitely helps is, it makes the throttle feel more responsive. Understandable given, when you press the throttle pedal, engine sound tempo/tone can change way faster than a vehicle can accelerate.
- Same for fake shift - great fun on a ramp or a backroad. But cruising on a highway, you are just handicapping the instant torque for nothing.

No fun beside straight line speed with most of them.

What EVs have you driven?

 

[Merc1]

What EVs have you driven?

All of the Tesla models except the older SUV one with the funny doors. Plaid is nauseating fast but after that it’s boring imo. I’ve driven the GM Hummer models. I’ve driven your car too. It handled great but I can’t just get excited about silence or fake sounds with no feeling. The BMW i4 too.

M

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

This car will deal a big blow to BMW.

How? It will be such a low volume model, I'll be surprised if it's sales exceed the current AMG GT 4 Door. The most benefit MB will attain from this effort are further advances in EV tech know-how and possibly a Halo effect.

As in typical BMW fashion, they haven't jumped the gun with EV's in the M range, and they've intelligently focused their efforts and resources on higher volume models.

 

[Design FIRST]

A 60's Alfa? Snap, crackle and pop will be the timing chain, the fusebox, and the head gasket, respectively.

Anyhow, there's plenty of research that explains why humans find the characteristics of engine/exhaust/intake sounds appealing on a neuro-sensory level, and I'd suggest it's all pretty solid... however, I believe whether you need it be real, or accept it when you know it's artificial, is more of a purely psychological thing.

I don't think this is analogous to artificial things in what we eat (obvious health and consumption issues), and perhaps not functionally the same as fabrics or textiles (heat or moisture permeability for instance). I'd suggest it's simply more analogous to whether we need a percussionist beating a skin in our favourite music, or if we're just as happy when the same sound is electronically sequenced.

Obviously, I was ranting...well...at least a bit.

Oh, and those Alfa-Romeo engines can be thankful, dependable companions if you treat them well. Warm up those suckas properly and make sure that the oil is still relatively fresh. Let idle briefly and don't rev it over 2000-2500rpm for the first several kilometers after starting it.

 

[klier]

How?

Why did you even bother LOL

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Yeah this car is mostly a showcase, whose technology will eventually trickle down to standard Mercedes EVs.
Particularly exciting is the YASA compact motor tech.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Yeah this car is mostly a showcase, whose technology will eventually trickle down to standard Mercedes EVs.
Particularly exciting is the YASA compact motor tech.

Which manufacturers are going to have access to the YASA motors given MBs holdings in the company?

Ferrari used the motors in the 296, but i believe that was prior to Mercedes involvement in YASA.

 

[Swissbob]

The 2 Lamborghini hybrids also have it, Temerario and Revuelto.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Which manufacturers are going to have access to the YASA motors given MBs holdings in the company?

Ferrari used the motors in the 296, but i believe that was prior to Mercedes involvement in YASA.

Honestly, no idea. Depends on the structure of the acquisition. Sometimes they have a clause that allows the acquired business to maintain regular operations. But no clue with this one.

I believe Mercedes can take their tech and have the right to manufacture it in Germany themselves. So there should be a trickle down effect. Question is when does that tech sharing start happening? Naturally these things are never immediate.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Each technology has its pros and cons. The YASA motors are not the second coming.

 

[Rolf]

If they bring out 250kw versions weighing about 8kg they can replace the brake discs in each corner with these motors and they can be used for acceleration and braking and also torque vectoring and replace the ESP systems. Will creat alot more space under the bonnet for a larger frunk or reduce the front end bonnet length and make cars more compact.

Imagine a 1000kw 4x motor C63 that has only 32kg motors weight. This is compared to 180kg engine and 200kg of hybrid tech with half the power.

 

[Sunny]

If they bring out 250kw versions weighing about 8kg they can replace the brake discs in each corner with these motors

You can't just replace mechanical braking with regen braking. What happens when the battery is full?

 

[Design FIRST]

Each technology has its pros and cons. The YASA motors are not the second coming.

I, as a novice, can only suspect that the pace of innovation is so rapid that it will be difficult to define "a second coming achievement" for quite some while. When will a plateau be reached ? But for what it's worth, this YASA axial-flux e-motor could be a significant cornerstone to terms of which direction relevant, mass production compatible technology is heading. The question remains whether the YASA axial flux solution or the BMW dual rotor radial Deep Drive will prove most sustainable. Perhaps both ? Perhaps something completely new will appear on the horizon.

 

[Moctecus]

DeepDrive's co-founder Dr. Alexander Rosen believes axial flux motors just don't work for in-wheel applications (in this podcast episode from 1:01:43).
Firstly, the NVH characteristics inherent in the technology due to the topology of the windings are apparently problematic. Secondly, and more significantly, they pose incredible demands on the wheel bearing stiffness. He says, to prevent the motor from tilting during cornering you would either have to build a wheel-inside-a-wheel to decouple the motor somehow while still transmitting the power, which doesn't work, or make the wheel bearings incredibly stiff (4-5x stiffer), which adds huge amounts of friction and weight (10-15 kg per corner).
Elaphe, another manufacturer of in-wheel motors, says they have not found axial flux motors as practical for their requirements. The main issues according to them are "the inevitable axial forces unbalance, which tends to have a runaway effect. As soon as the bearings start wearing out a bit, the unbalance grows and in no time the bearing gets worn out. Also, based on our experience, axial flux motors can be very hard to cool in demanding cycles, such as those of EVs." They do, however, not rule out axial flux motors making for great in-wheel motors in the future.
Now, it's hardly surprising these manufacturers would stand behind their motor technology for in-wheel motors and Yasa may overcome these challenges eventually. It does, however, sound like axial flux motors might not be the match made in heaven for in-wheel applications they appear to be.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

DeepDrive's co-founder Dr. Alexander Rosen believes axial flux motors just don't work for in-wheel applications (in this podcast episode from 1:01:43).
Firstly, the NVH characteristics inherent in the technology due to the topology of the windings are apparently problematic. Secondly, and more significantly, they pose incredible demands on the wheel bearing stiffness. He says, to prevent the motor from tilting during cornering you would either have to build a wheel-inside-a-wheel to decouple the motor somehow while still transmitting the power, which doesn't work, or make the wheel bearings incredibly stiff (4-5x stiffer), which adds huge amounts of friction and weight (10-15 kg per corner).
Elaphe, another manufacturer of in-wheel motors, says they have not found axial flux motors as practical for their requirements. The main issues according to them are "the inevitable axial forces unbalance, which tends to have a runaway effect. As soon as the bearings start wearing out a bit, the unbalance grows and in no time the bearing gets worn out. Also, based on our experience, axial flux motors can be very hard to cool in demanding cycles, such as those of EVs." They do, however, not rule out axial flux motors making for great in-wheel motors in the future.
Now, it's hardly surprising these manufacturers would stand behind their motor technology for in-wheel motors and Yasa may overcome these challenges eventually. It does, however, sound like axial flux motors might not be the match made in heaven for in-wheel applications they appear to be.

That makes a lot of sense.
However, compact, power-dense e-motors has a great number of benefits beyond the potential for in-wheel power delivery. Given how heavy EVs are, every kg saved while maintaining reasonable power and torque is a win. And obviously packaging considerations.

 

[Design FIRST]

This illustration appears to be quite accurate:

 

[leylandi]

 

[SKY]

Interesting. Looks like.. what, the third or fourth screen layout present on a production MB?

Back to the W222 interior layout it seems. Could this be interpreted as a way to recognize the failure of turds like the hyperscreen or the Tesla Model S vertical screen?

I will let our local expert @leylandi answer my concerns.

 

[leylandi]

MB.OS screen layout