GT 2026 AMG GT 4-Door Vision EV

[Xquest]

Would the EV techies can chime in here please, are these new motors a game changer?

M

Yes they are, they’re much lighter, more performance dense and efficient than any other motors in the market

 

[SKY]

Yes they are, they’re much lighter, more performance dense and efficient than any other motors in the market

And how do they compare to what Porsche, BMW, Tesla or the Chinese are using?

 

[klier]

Yes they are, they’re much lighter, more performance dense and efficient than any other motors in the market

These motors aren't in the market.

What MB actually has on the market is subpar at best, and when these new motors do come to market, all the other OEMS will have similar stuff.
We're talking literal years until they hit the market, and that's a f#cking eternity in EV land.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

These motors aren't in the market.

What MB actually has on the market is subpar at best, and when these new motors do come to market, all the other OEMS will have similar stuff.
We're talking literal years until they hit the market, and that's a f#cking eternity in EV land.

How many years? The AMG GT4 door is due for next year no?

 

[Design FIRST]

How many years? The AMG GT4 door is due for next year no?

Well, that's the plan, anyway.

But nowadays...one never really knows.

 

[Moctecus]

These motors aren't in the market.

What MB actually has on the market is subpar at best, and when these new motors do come to market, all the other OEMS will have similar stuff.
We're talking literal years until they hit the market, and that's a f#cking eternity in EV land.

These Mercedes-AMG / YASA axial flux motors enter series production in autumn 2026, just one year away.
YASA's axial flux motors have been on the market for around a decade in supercar applications (Koenigsegg Regera, Ferrari SF90, Ferrari 296, Lamborghini Temerario, Lamborghini Revuelto). While YASA has over 15 years of experience with their motors and is ramping up their production to tens of thousands of motors per year, no other manufacturer has even presented a prototype vehicle featuring axial flux motors. You are not going to see similar technology from other OEMs anytime soon.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Well, that's the plan, anyway.

But nowadays...one never really knows.

When has a car been delayed for launch by multiple years within the last decade?

The only ones I can think of are mega temperamental Hypercars like the AMG One, because they tried to make a road version of an F1 engine.

 

[Design FIRST]

When has a car been delayed for launch by multiple years within the last decade?

The only ones I can think of are mega temperamental Hypercars like the AMG One, because they tried to make a road version of an F1 engine.

Significant launch delays due to massive problems at Cariad for all current VAG PPE vehicles. VW Phaeton II, fully developed and binned at the last minute. Polestar 5 and Volvo EX90 also saw delayed official launches. Polestar 6 facing substantial launch delay and perhaps the ax. Up until very recently, it appeared that Porsche's 718 project may be further delayed, if not binned all together. Geely's Jiyue 07 electric sport sedan axed almost immediately following launch. We may not be talking about periods of "multiple years", but 6-to-12 months is also a significant delay in the context of electric vehicles. The pace of innovation continues at breakneck speed, hence potentially promoting rapid obsolescence.

 

[Matski]

While YASA has over 15 years of experience with their motors and is ramping up their production to tens of thousands of motors per year, no other manufacturer has even presented a prototype vehicle featuring axial flux motors. You are not going to see similar technology from other OEMs anytime soon.

Renault announced back in 2021 that they'd be in production of their own axial flux motors by 2025, I don't know if they've ever made such progress though.

 

[Esp5]

The announcement on Friday that Porsche has cancelled its "K1" electric super SUV (whose development has generated a loss of 1.8 billion dollars) plus the reversal of its electric strategy (totaling losses of 5 billion in development) If they decided to cancel everything it is because they would lose much more by launching them..........., this should be a wake-up call for Mercedes which should also consider cancelling its AMG EV super SUV and this AMG GT EV sedan while there is still time to minimize losses, in the current environment nobody wants electric super expensive super cars and there is no axial flux engine that can save it from a more than likely huge sales failure, Mercedes' reputation cannot afford more of these failures.

VW takes $6 billion hit due to Porsche’s pullback from EVs

The hit comes after Porsche said it would significantly tweak its product strategy to reflect a slower-than-expected EV market.

www.autonews.com

 

[SKY]

The announcement on Friday that Porsche has cancelled its "K1" electric super SUV (whose development has generated a loss of 1.8 billion dollars) plus the reversal of its electric strategy (totaling losses of 5 billion in development) If they decided to cancel everything it is because they would lose much more by launching them..........., this should be a wake-up call for Mercedes which should also consider cancelling its AMG EV super SUV and this AMG GT EV sedan while there is still time to minimize losses, in the current environment nobody wants electric super expensive, super cars and there is no axial flux engine that can save it from a more than likely huge sales failure, Mercedes' reputation cannot afford more of these failures.

Jesus Christ… €5bn in development costs. These politics in Europe will cause the ruin of us all.

Let’s see what happens with projects like these from AMG. But so far the prospects are far from being clear.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Jesus Christ… €5bn in development costs. These politics in Europe will cause the ruin of us all.

Let’s see what happens with projects like these from AMG. But so far the prospects are far from being clear.

Politics notwithstanding, the development of EV drivetrains HAS to happen at some point. And now is a better time than any.

Completely abandoning development is frankly, stupid. Maybe the AMG EVs won't be that successful, but the engineering expertise gained from it, is worth something. Because at some point, it's going to be necessary.

 

[Esp5]

And now is a better time than any.

How is that? All the top exotic brands have indefinitely postponed their plans or canceled them. Lotus, which has the super sedan and super SUV EVs like twins of these Mercedes, is almost bankrupt because of that.
It is a fact that it is the worst moment for this type of vehicles.

 

[Design FIRST]

Completely abandoning development is frankly, stupid.

Absolutely.

And I am beginning to be concerned about German manufacturers resorting to frantic actionism and hence forfeiting opportunities to move forward into a future in which the cards will be stacked against ICE powertrains in ALL major volume segments. They stand accused of not being able to think far beyond their own noses. We could quite conceivably begin to witness a rapidly accelerating demise of ICE powertrains, perhaps not in 5 years. But by 2035, EU regs or not, we could be in the midst of seeing BEV/REEV drivetrains dominating the market. And what's left of the German manufacturers lamenting their shortsightedness of 2025/26.

 

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Cool footage towards the end of the video showing the serial production mule lap car along with the GT XX concept vehicle.

 

[Matski]

How is that? All the top exotic brands have indefinitely postponed their plans or canceled them. Lotus, which has the super sedan and super SUV EVs like twins of these Mercedes, is almost bankrupt because of that.

Lotus has financial difficulties even when they have a great line-up of somewhat affordable sports cars!

It is a fact that it is the worst moment for this type of vehicles.

At the moment there is still the 2035 deadline in EU countries. A slower than expected* uptake does not over rule the literal rule of law. It's a gamble to plan based on those regulations changing, but even if they do, there's now an established market for EVs, there will be a lot of carryover into hybrid development also, and EVs are doing performance things that ICE can't.. it would be stupid for a major manufacturer to ignore these facts. To have a good, well developed car ready for 2035 means they need to be doing the R & D on the tech very soon.

*expected by some, I've been saying for years it was unrealistic to expect to shift 100% of the market in a couple of life cycles.

 

[Esp5]

Lotus has financial difficulties even when they have a great line-up of somewhat affordable sports cars!

Well, with the exotic EV bet, they ate up all the economic bailout from their Chinese father.

At the moment there is still the 2035 deadline in EU countries. A slower than expected* uptake does not over rule the literal rule of law. It's a gamble to plan based on those regulations changing, but even if they do, there's now an established market for EVs, there will be a lot of carryover into hybrid development also, and EVs are doing performance things that ICE can't.. it would be stupid for a major manufacturer to ignore these facts. To have a good, well developed car ready for 2035 means they need to be doing the R & D on the tech very soon.

*expected by some, I've been saying for years it was unrealistic to expect to shift 100% of the market in a couple of life cycles.

I'm not saying they shouldn't develop the technology, just that this isn't the time for that specific segment. Being born knowing you're likely to lose billions is a luxury they can't afford in this environment.
Porsche understood this on Friday, before doing so and going bankrupt.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Well, with the exotic EV bet, they ate up all the economic bailout from their Chinese father.

I'm not saying they shouldn't develop the technology, just that this isn't the time for that specific segment. Being born knowing you're likely to lose billions is a luxury they can't afford in this environment.
Porsche understood this on Friday, before doing so and going bankrupt.

Making some return on investment is better than no return on investment

 

[Merc1]

This car isn’t going to bankrupt then if it’s not a hit. The SUV will sell better than the sedan for sure, either way the tech will eventually trickle down to other Mercedes.

M