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Looks like some of you have lost the plot and need to get back on your meds @donkeykong @GTA45E


Mods —- are we allowing this surge of misinformation on this forum??

Point it out specifically then.

Sadly, I think you're wasting your time.

I'm surpri...

What conspiracy theory Matt,be more specific? Speaking of conviction,didn't you make a big ordeal about leaving over morals or some shit? Why are you still here?

Conspiracy theories allow the utterly stupid to feel "intelligent", with their pseudo-science and vague interest in actual facts. Dismissing experts and believing some nutjob on YouTube doesn't mean you're not gullible. It makes you VERY gullible.

Elaborate on this please. What nut job are you referring to specifically,and what pseudoscience is being spouted?
 
May I also add that those that can't handle this thread and stir the pot or start personal attacks will be thread-banned without warning. The mod team is not here to judge, only to moderate.

Play nice.
 
Then Maybe we should also make clear that this virus is no joke. Spreading conspiracy theories and spewing fake information should be banned. I’m sorry the mode don’t see how harmful this is. Take it from someone who has lost people to this virus.....

I expected more from you mods. Disappointed does not even cover it
May I also add that those that can't handle this thread...
 
Too bad, I thought this would still be a place free from thi...

Like what conspiracy theories? Do you know who coined the phrase and why it was coined more specifically?

The virus is real and poses a threat to our healthcare system. Anyone that thinks otherwise should take a moment to reflect on the consequences of broken healthcare system due to shortage of capacity- just think about it.
So what can we do to safeguard the health care system:

What country are you referring to? In the U.S. we were told back in March to stay home for 2 weeks to "flattened the curve" as to not overrun our health care facilities,that never transpired as hospitals were complete ghost towns through out the lockdowns. Census only increased as elective procedures were allowed to take place again. There was never a tangible threat to our healthcare system over this contrived pandemic,and that's still very much the case today.
 
Like what conspiracy theories? Do you know who coined the phrase and why it was coined more specifically?



What country are you referring to? In the U.S. we were told back in March to stay home for 2 weeks to "flattened the curve" as to not overrun our health care facilities,that never transpired as hospitals were complete ghost towns through out the lock downs. Census only increased as elective procedures were allowed to take place again. There was never a tangible threat to our healthcare system over this contrived pandemic,and that's still very much the case today.

I am referring to the US and Canada.
That is right we(US and Canada) went into lock down in March because of the risk of spread and also more importantly the healthcare system. If you remember the daily updates from March to June also provided hospitalization rates, and active rates. Remember selective surgeries were suspended to open up capacities.
 
I am referring to the US and Canada.
That is right we(US a...

You are basically echoing everything I said. I've been on top of the those rates the entire time. At no point during this scamdemic were the hospitals overrun.

For those of you who have twitter and want a real clear look at the data. Here's a list of the following accounts who's reporting and insights have been invaluable at exposing this debacle. It's only when you start really breaking it all down that you'll begin to see the level of deceit being utilized.

@EthicalSkeptic @boriquagato @kylamb8 @FatEmperor @gummibear737 @Hold2LLC @ElonBachman @justin_hart

To those who keep labeling others with a different perspective "conspiracy theorist",why not abandon the ad hominem attacks and drop a real argument?

I think there is an enormous risk about the quality of the future vaccines: The first source is political- which country will be the first to develop it, which is as important as who will land first on Mars and the second is financial, because the first private company, that releases it to the market will make billions. Due to these billions also people will be forced to get immunisation each six months, without knowing the necessity of this repeated immunisation. Both factors will lead to premature release to the market of a product, that is not ready and not completely tested.

Very dangerous game they're playing with this RNA vaccine.
 
And he was a Cuban refugee... Poor guy.
 

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Milhouse is right...we're through the looking glass, folks.
 
This is coming from the guy who thought Sarscov2 was isolated and properly purified,even posted 4 papers demonstrating it wasn't but argued it was. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Ruh-Roh, looks like that itty-bitty video hit a wittle nerve there.

With your response, you've at least tacitly acknowledged that you've dived deep into the abyss of QAnon-like conspiracy theories regarding COVID. Kudos to you! Perhaps you'll even realize that deferring to a quack like Dr. Andy Kaufman and noted anti-vaxxers like Del Bigtree, who collaborated with the infamous Dr....sorry, ex-Dr. Andrew Wakefield....yes, that jack-ass who was discredited and lost his medical license for making up bullshit in order to link autism and vaccine, that deferring to those snake oil salesmen is perhaps not the best idea. As they say, admission is the first step in the road to recovery.

And for the nth time, I'll say this as clearly as I can: using Koch's Postulate, River's modified or not, in order to identify a virus amounts to jack-shit today when you have more precise methods of using genomics and proteomics to confirm and identify a virion particle. While confirming with Koch's postulate is nice to have, it is by no means the end-all and be-all in virion particle identification. If you think that's the case, then I can understand why your train of thought is stuck in early 20th century thinking. Researchers and scientists have longed moved on, you haven't.

Jeez, the fact you are still questioning whether this is caused by a virus or not would be laughable if it weren't so sad and tragic. Have fun watching and reading random tweets and youtube vids and discussing what a bunch of "lemmings" people are in this "Scamdemic" (or do you guys still call it Plandemic? I don't know what the new name of the month is for August) in your guys' anti-vaxxer Facebook group.

Actually, you know what? I do have a favor to ask of you... please tell the rest of your Scamdemic buddies that nobody likes wearing a mask, especially when it's hot outside like it is now. Not a single person. (Well, perhaps if somebody likes dressing up as a ninja, that's a different story. :ninja:) There's nothing fun or glamorous about it. Some of your compatriots may call it "virtue signaling," but to some of us normies, we would like to move along with our lives while trying not to get ourselves, our loved ones or others who may be at risk sick. If that's the small sacrifice that needs to be made, considering the larger sacrifices made by those who came before us, so be it. We don't need to feel self-centered and bitch about freedoms being infringed because it's such small act in the grand scheme of thing. Please tell your adult scamdemic buddies they don't need to throw toddler tantrums or throw down fisticuffs because somebody asks them to be a responsible adult and put on face covering so as not to endanger others because not being a selfish ass, while perhaps a foreign feeling, is actually good thing. There's nothing emasculating or freedom-robbing. And if they can't do that, they don't have to go to a store or any private establishment that sets their own rules and regulations. That is not their right, that is their privilege.

This will be my last post addressing you or any other post that reads like a QAnon fever dream. While there are some elements regarding this pandemic that I have been skeptical about, the fact that anybody would question whether this is a viral infection has lost any and all credibility, at least to me. I was naive to think a reasonable discussion could have happen, but at this point, you can't argue willful ignorance. It's like spitting outside during a hurricane, it's not going to amount to anything. I was hoping GCF would be the one place on the interwebs immune to this hogwash, but I was a bit too hopeful.

Anyway, cheers and either have fun diving deeper into the pseudoscience morass that you and your buds call the scamdemic or I hope for your sake and those around you that you pull up from this nose-dive and realize this is some crazy shit you've gotten yourself into. Either way, I am going to stick to why I joined GCF in the first place: cars and the occasional jaunt over to the movies and music section. :icon_cheers:
 
COVID: is the virus real?


by Jon Rappoport


August 10, 2020


SARS-CoV-2. The woo-woo virus.


People who can think and follow a line of reasoning should have a shot at considering the questions:


Did researchers actually discover the virus?


Did their proof fall short?


DID RESEARCHERS DO ENOUGH TO PROVE THE CORONAVIRUS EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE?


If someone says that, during the full moon three weeks ago, the moon suddenly turned gold, and then a strange squadron of giants passed across it, on their way to the ocean, do you think it might be a good idea to find out whether, three weeks ago, there was a full moon? Might that be a basic starting point?


That’s what I’m doing. Checking up to see whether there was a full moon.


A rational researcher, at the CDC, if one actually existed, would say, upon hearing of a possible outbreak in the city of Wuhan: “Let’s see the proof that a new virus is responsible, is the causative agent.”


What kind of proof would he be asking for?


First, he would want to know, “Do researchers there have an actual biological specimen of this new virus? Do they have the real thing?”


And if the answer came back yes, he would reply, “We’re sending in one of our Wuhan people so he can confirm that.”


But how would the confirmation work? You can’t just lay a specimen of a virus on a table and shine a light on it.


There is a traditional method of observation. It’s called an electron microscope photograph (an EM). Certain established procedures exist for obtaining an EM from a patient’s tissue sample. The CDC scientist would want to make sure the Chinese scientists had carried out this process correctly.


Rough sketch: From a patient’s tissue sample, you take a small bit and spin it in a centrifuge. The material settles out in layers. Knowing which layer (by density) you’re looking for, you remove a bit from that layer, look at it under an electron microscope and photograph it. If you’ve found a new virus, you should see many identical particles of it in the photo—and, obviously, it should be something you’ve never seen before.


The rational CDC scientist—if one actually existed—would say, “Let’s have a look at the Chinese EM.” He wants to confirm there are many identical particles of the new virus in the EM.


But there is more. And here is where the rubber meets the road and the failure factor is very high. I need to back up a bit to explain.


When a clinical trial of a new drug is done (and here I’ll make a gigantic leap and assume it’s done correctly), is it carried out on one patient?


Is the result of giving the drug to a single patient then extrapolated to mean everyone will react the way this one person did? Of course not. That would be absurd. In clinical trials, sooner or later, researchers are dealing with a large number of volunteers. A thousand or more.


So, in the case of a new coronavirus, in China, the rational CDC scientist would say: “I want to see electron microscope photographs derived from a thousand patients who have been diagnosed with the new epidemic disease. I want to see those photos side by side. I want to see whether many particles of this same new virus are in all the photos.”


I myself ask, where are these photographs? Where are the completely necessary photographs? Because the Chinese scientist would tell his CDC counterpart, “Oh, we didn’t carry out the EM procedure on a thousand patients. We carried it out on one. Two. Maybe three. I’m not sure.”


At which point, this fantasy rational CDC scientist would blow his stack. He would say, “You’re declaring a new global epidemic based on two or three photographs from two or three patients??”


Consider this potential scenario—which explains why researchers only did the EMs on two or three of the patients. If someone actually performed the electron microscope work on 1000 patients diagnosed with the new disease, he might find a maybe/possible indication, in the photographs, of a new coronavirus in four patients. AND IN NONE OF THE OTHER 997 PATIENTS.


At which point, in Wuhan, they would shrug and say, “Well, wow, that didn’t work out. What a flop. Our hypothesis of a new disease based on a new coronavirus collapsed. We should have been able to see lots of the same new virus in the photos from ALL 1000 patients, or at least the overwhelming percentage of them. And we didn’t. Back to the drawing board. Let’s see. What’s the primary sign of the new disease? Pneumonia? Come to think of it, about 300,000 people in China die of pneumonia every year. How about we look at some studies on the air quality here in Wuhan? I think my colleague down the block has a pile of them. Let’s walk over there. Anybody have a searchlight so we can see the street through the fog of deadly pollution? Let me get my oxygen tank and breathing helmet.”


And that would be the end of that.


Back in Atlanta, the fantasy rational CDC scientist would say to his colleagues, “That Chinese outbreak wasn’t a virus. How about we spend the afternoon going through some of our own studies on vaccines? I know the fraud is rampant. Let’s get it out in the open.”


Sure. Happens every day over at the CDC.


Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe someone has done electron microscope photographs CORRECTLY derived from 1000 patients diagnosed with the new epidemic disease, in ONE LARGE COHERENT HONEST STUDY. LET’S SEE THE PHOTOS. SHOW THEM TO ME. We’ll have a few non-conflicted experts analyze them. Then we’ll demand another complete and honest study of 1000 patients, as confirmation.


Otherwise, don’t talk about science. There is no science going on.


Talk about fakery. And liability. And prison.


I write this piece for those who ordinarily have their heads on straight, when it comes to understanding the basics of HEALTH—but now, because of the “coronavirus epidemic,” are drifting back into the medical model: FIXATION ON GERMS.


A correct reading of suppressed medical history reveals that the hypothesis of “one disease, one germ” is a modern con, moving down a blind alley at midnight. And when you add “one vaccine” to the formula, you get an even greater degree of lunacy.


But you also get a trillion-dollar commercial success.


I don’t care how many contemporary molecular biologists are working in labs, amplifying invisible slivers of who knows what molecules into view, and calling them viruses; it’s a con. They’re all working in the dark, massaging RNA or partial decaying microbes or cellular debris or exosomes or pieces of random genetic sequences or whatever…


The history of human health shows that upgrades in public sanitation, hygiene, and improved nutrition have done more for people than all the laboratory voodoo and “germ-fighting” pharmaceutical interventions ever invented laid end to end.


You want germs? No one knows how many there are. From various estimates, we could be talking about thousands of trillions to the thousandth power. Maybe more. If an infinitesimal fraction of the critters caused serious disease no-matter-what, we’d not only all be dead, we’d be dead on dead on dead.


To begin to understand how overblown all these modern epidemic duds are, let’s go to the animals. Farm animals. Pigs. A headline blares: A MILLION PIGS SLAUGHTERED. African Swine Fever Virus was discovered, and in order to stop the contagion, death was rained down on the pigs. On the farm. On the giant factory farm. So a question arises:


Do you seriously think humans sat down next to each of the million pigs and tested him/her for the Virus? Drew a blood or tissue sample?


Twenty pigs “tested positive” and they killed the rest as matter of course. They always do.


But wait. What are the conditions on this massive million-pig factory farm? Let’s see. Pigs living in their own urine and feces, crowded next to one another, nose to butt, sprayed with toxic chemicals, eating chemical-laced feed—under high stress, never living the kind of existence they were designed for. Think they’re going to get sick? Think some kind of minimally reliable test might find a virus or two living and replicating in their bodies? Do you seriously think those viruses matter, contrasted against the OBVIOUS immunosuppressive ENVIRONMENT?


As the number one germ hunter of all time, Louis Pasteur, was reported to have confessed on his deathbed: it’s not the germ, it’s the terrain—meaning, it’s the body and its strength and vitality and resiliency—THAT should be the central focus of the healing profession. Building up health.


One problem. There’s no money in it. There’s no control over the population in it.


Oops.

 
There is an interesting piece in the most recent edition of Germanys' Der Spiegel weekly current events magazine. An accomplished sociologist ascertains that anti-policy demonstrations per se-including those providing conspiracy theorists a podium- are an important element of expression in (quasi) democratic societies. The influence upon the general public can bear quite contrasting results. One being the confirmation hence legitimation of state and government authority regulative policies i.e. restrictions, should the demonstrations and their objectives be critically scrutinized and dismissed by the largest portion of the public. This appears obvious to me and seems to be the case here in Germany according to numerous recent surveys in which policy approval ratings average in the mid-to-high 70s'%. Also interesting to note is that very many of the diminishing ranks more recently participating in anti-COVID19 restriction protests have been wearing facemasks as well as have been trying to maintain distances. Perhaps they are themselves no longer convinced that COVID19 is a hoax.
 
I think many do no understand what 'hoax' is. It is not that there is no Coronavirus, it is that every decision made around it is a lie.

Flu cases went down 98% worldwide. Didn't these cases just become covid cases?
 
Not specifically Coronavirus, but it does play into the theme that this could be part of an unrestricted warfare gambit.

 
I think many do no understand what 'hoax' is. It is not that there is no Coronavirus, it is that every decision made around it is a lie.

Flu cases went down 98% worldwide. Didn't these cases just become covid cases?
You do realize that with lock-down flu cases were going to go down.
A good example is my youngest daughter and her asthma attacks, which used to be about once every month. Since we pulled her out of day-care last February due to the COVID lock down she has had zero. Never had taken the blue puffer in almost a year.
 
You do realize that with lock-down flu cases were going to go down.
A good example is my youngest daughter and her asthma attacks, which used to be about once every month. Since we pulled her out of day-care last February due to the COVID lock down she has had zero. Never had taken the blue puffer in almost a year.

Yip, germ theory applies to pretty much all germs, including other viruses that are airborne spread.
 
Don't even know what you're talking about.
that's what I guessed.

Anyone thinking there is no 'Plan' to crash the economy, Great Reset everything - pauperise tens of millions, have a die off like early 90s Russia on steroids - is now officially blind:


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- guy looks like he could survive a winter or two without food or heat.

Hundreds of £bns for the 'Pandemic' - Serco, PPE contracts to mates, bounce back loans to every scum under the sun etc - but F all for the real collapse - rug pull - of the economy. Hmm. how does that compute?

Only makes sense if that is the Plan all along.

It's gonna be epic.
 

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