Charger Dodge Charger BEV - Stellantis

[Bridster]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

 

[dalab]

but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

I'm not sure about that part, they have always been good value for money

 

[Tourbillon]

I'm not sure about that part, they have always been good value for money

Yes the triple motor Model S Plaid is $89K from memory. So the dual motor will be what about $65K ish at a guess. Which is exactly what it is so don't hold us to it.

 

[Bridster]

I'm not sure about that part, they have always been good value for money

With that performance it would have to be like 40k USD to be a good value (the current ICE equivalent is already 50k). And that's not gonna happen with 100kWh battery. Likely 60-70k at least.

 

[Sunny]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

Agree. But you got to start somewhere. Just look at all/most current German EVs, the electric part of it sucks. Hopefully next versions will be more competitive (like the new Taycan).

 

[Centurion]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

Yupp. The specs suck ass. And that's on paper. Real life efficiency and range will likely be worse. In the short term the 6 cylinder would be my preferred choice.

 

[Merc1]

It's good looking and then it's not. The 2-door is just too long, I would guess to accommodate that battery pack. The front section of the entire car from the A-pillar forward looks like it was just grafted on to a old car. The 4-door is much better proportioned. The interior is nice, but doesn't stand out. It's a non event for me until I see them in person and the I6 versions.

M

 

[Sunny]

Wait, there is an ICE version of it? Fail.

 

[Merc1]

Yes,

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60082380/2025-dodge-charger-sixpack-revealed/

M

 

[Merc1]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

Looks like they know this:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60076112/dodge-charger-banshee-ev-details-confirmed/

Why wouldn't they give all the variants the best tech?

M

 

[Tourbillon]

Wait, there is an ICE version of it? Fail.

I know right talking about confusing people. Smh.

 

[Serpens]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

The top model is going to have the 800v architecture. The 400v architecture makes sense given this will be significantly cheaper than a Taycan. Also, while discussing the power to weight ratio is fun you really are discounting how large this vehicle is. The 4 door is 206in long and 78.9 wide. So while it’s fun to compare the top trim of other cars to the middle trim of the Charger, size and the fact that the Banshee trim exists with more power should be taken into consideration. There really isn’t anything out there out there providing this much space for the money with an EV powertrain. This really isn’t different than from any time before in the ICE only days.

Why wouldn't they give all the variants the best tech?

M

Cost, obviously.

 

[klier]

I must say... the EV versions of this are real trash. 2650kg kerb weight and 670PS for a magical power to weight ratio of 260PS/t. If you buy the Ioniq 5 N, you are getting 2200kg and 650PS... so it's actually faster. So is the Tesla Model 3 P, which gets 277PS/t (not to mention Plaid, etc). Some muscle car this... It also offers a peak charge rate of 183kW, while the new Taycan offers over 200kW average from 10-90% and 330kW+ peak. And, again, even a basic Tesla gets 250kW peak charging, not to mention much better efficiency as well. So what the hell is this car good at? Price hasn't yet been announced, but it's for sure not gonna be particularly cheap either...

You're still the fastest BEV muscle car if you're the only one, heheh

 

[Bridster]

The top model is going to have the 800v architecture. The 400v architecture makes sense given this will be significantly cheaper than a Taycan. Also, while discussing the power to weight ratio is fun you really are discounting how large this vehicle is. The 4 door is 206in long and 78.9 wide. So while it’s fun to compare the top trim of other cars to the middle trim of the Charger, size and the fact that the Banshee trim exists with more power should be taken into consideration. There really isn’t anything out there out there providing this much space for the money with an EV powertrain. This really isn’t different than from any time before in the ICE only days.

It doesn't really matter what the top model does, they can't be billing this as a "muscle car" when the normal trims are this pathetic. It's like the car was designed 8 years ago or something. The Tesla P100D was released in 2016, and it had 680PS and 100kWh battery with 400v system. But it was actually about 380kg lighter, while offering the same or even bigger space inside.

Not that I would particularly care about any of this, but the marketing for the car really annoys me.

said Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis at a media backgrounder. “Most electric cars will have a small tire package, a small brake package, for efficiency. Better efficiency, better range. I don't care. This is about performance.”

"This is still the quickest and most powerful muscle car you can buy at launch."

And they are talking about the initially introduced models here, not the Banshee. It's like, wtf, have they totally missed what the standards for EVs are right now? 670PS is literally nothing, especially on a car that heavy, but they are still so proud of it that they will happily tell you that they sacrificed all the efficiency for it. Like, ok, cool, except you can go buy a basic bitch Tesla and have an even greater performance without sacrificing the efficiency.

If we are talking about a modern muscle car, then the Plaid is what it looks like. Killer straight line performance, but rubbish handling and brakes. If they want to call this a muscle car, then the Banshee spec or whatever should have been the basic spec, the bare minimum. And it's so easy to do too. As long as your battery is big enough to supply enough juice, you can have as much power as you want. No emission concerns, no drivability or reliability concerns, easy to package. There is nothing stopping you from having 1000PS or more. I mean, this car will get overtaken by Tesla's pick up truck. There is no excuse.

 

[Serpens]

It doesn't really matter what the top model does, they can't be billing this as a "muscle car" when the normal trims are this pathetic. It's like the car was designed 8 years ago or something. The Tesla P100D was released in 2016, and it had 680PS and 100kWh battery with 400v system. But it was actually about 380kg lighter, while offering the same or even bigger space inside.

The Model S is 8 inches shorter than this car and an inch narrower. The P100D cost $136k when it was new and a standard Model S is still $75k. There is obviously going to be a value play here which has always been the case with muscle cars. Just because we're talking EVs instead of ICEs doesn't mean the dynamic changes.

And they are talking about the initially introduced models here, not the Banshee. It's like, wtf, have they totally missed what the standards for EVs are right now? 670PS is literally nothing, especially on a car that heavy, but they are still so proud of it that they will happily tell you that they sacrificed all the efficiency for it. Like, ok, cool, except you can go buy a basic bitch Tesla and have an even greater performance without sacrificing the efficiency.

If we are talking about a modern muscle car, then the Plaid is what it looks like. Killer straight line performance, but rubbish handling and brakes. If they want to call this a muscle car, then the Banshee spec or whatever should have been the basic spec, the bare minimum. And it's so easy to do too. As long as your battery is big enough to supply enough juice, you can have as much power as you want. No emission concerns, no drivability or reliability concerns, easy to package. There is nothing stopping you from having 1000PS or more. I mean, this car will get overtaken by Tesla's pick up truck. There is no excuse.

A muscle car is about having a big car with speed at a discount. This isn't all the sudden a crazy proposition just because it's an EV. Just like in the land of ICE vehicles a decade ago, there's other smaller vehicles that are just as quick and more effecient. I don't know why you're acting as if the Hemi Charger of the past was the fastest thing on the street when in fact an Audi S4 could beat it to 60mph while getting better fuel economy. A Hyundai Elantra N is almost neck and neck with the previous Charger Scat Pack. Let's not even get into the fact that tons and tons of muscle cars over the years were sold with regular 6 and 4 cylinder engines that family sedans could outrun - and it's been that way since muscle cars first appeared decades ago.

 

[klier]

@Bridster and @Serpens both make excellent points.

 

[dalab]

Honoring the original Muscle Cars, which gave 2 km per liter, and with 8,000 cubic centimeters they just achieved power, honoring that inefficiency?, which was rather part of their essence, and applauded by their fans.

 

[dalab]

I still like it a lot, we will have to drive it to see everything else

 

[mini_cooper4]

550HP I6 with fully forged internals mated to a ZF 8sp.
Also AWD with 2WD at the push of a button.
Sounds familiar?
It's been known for quite some time Dodge is putting the hurricane in this new Charger and that it'd also come in AWD form.
It really is a "clone" of G80's drivetrain down to the last detail which can only be a GREAT thing.
Love the S58, ZF8HP and MxDrive but need a car the size of an S-Class yet you are on a 330i budget ? There you go.

Will read more about the EV variants before I make any conclusions.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the SO is their B58 "clone" and the HO is the S58 "clone".

 

[Sunny]

The Model S is 8 inches shorter than this car and an inch narrower. The P100D cost $136k when it was new and a standard Model S is still $75k. There is obviously going to be a value play here which has always been the case with muscle cars. Just because we're talking EVs instead of ICEs doesn't mean the dynamic changes.



A muscle car is about having a big car with speed at a discount. This isn't all the sudden a crazy proposition just because it's an EV. Just like in the land of ICE vehicles a decade ago, there's other smaller vehicles that are just as quick and more effecient. I don't know why you're acting as if the Hemi Charger of the past was the fastest thing on the street when in fact an Audi S4 could beat it to 60mph while getting better fuel economy. A Hyundai Elantra N is almost neck and neck with the previous Charger Scat Pack. Let's not even get into the fact that tons and tons of muscle cars over the years were sold with regular 6 and 4 cylinder engines that family sedans could outrun - and it's been that way since muscle cars first appeared decades ago.

But muscle cars offered something that your hot hatch or S4 didn't - a big rumbly V8. And the lesser versions with 4/6 cyl engines just cashed on that image. This thing has the same drive train as any other EV. There is nothing distinguishing it from other EVs - not performance, not character, not cost.