Future of personal transportation


But that's just like a taxi. Call a taxi company and the taxi is in front of you in 10 mins. What's the difference with Uber?

Which is no different from a traditional taxi service. Uber doesn't really offer anything which didn't already exist except an app, which is no longer unique the taxi service I use in my town now has an app. BTW you'd have to be a bit of an idiot to become an uber driver, you get royally screwed.

Well,I can only speak from my experiences,the Taxi services in Miami Florida are especially horrible and the rates are much better using Uber,the experience it's self is night and day as well. So I would disagree on both fronts. At least here anyway that simply is not the case.
 
That's nice and all, but it's about your car vs Uber, not a taxi vs Uber.

Yes, but Beemer asked why not taxis before Uber, hence the comparison.

As for cars vs uber. Yesterday at 1:30AM out of curiosity, I opened Uber app, it said I could have a car in 4 mins. So by the time I changed out of PJs, put a jacket and shoes and stepped out, there will be a warm car at my door step that will drop me at the door of wherever I want to be. If you remove the emotional aspect of owning cars (and I know all about that) and look at it strictly as getting from point A to point B, how is that experience not far superior to all the hassles of owning your own car?

This is the part that just doesn't work for me, since I cannot properly focus on anything when I'm in a moving vehicle (unless I'm the one behind the wheel...). I suppose I'm just not very good at being a passenger. Surely I can't be the only one?

I can't do much either, but I can have a phone conversation. Which is also the reason when I end up communing using Uber - if I have to be in unavoidable conf call during my commute time.
 
The whole Uber/lyft thing is interesting, but progressing it one step further once autonomous driving is commonplace, will you really need your own car, or can you simply 'rent' a driverless car for whatever occasion you need it? Going out for a romantic date night? 7 series please. Weekend getaway? Z4 will be at your door in 5 minutes. Family trip? X5 reserved.

I guess that's more what the future of car rentals could be, because Uber/Lyft is individuals offering taxi service using their own vehicles.

Interesting discussion. This thread's got me inspired. I have a business trip coming up next week, I'm going to give Uber or Lyft a go to get a ride from the airport to hotel.
 
No, no, no!
Everybody wants to own a car if possible.

Everybody in our generation does.... as martinbo mentioned, this next generation of kids is VERY different in how they view things and more importantly, what they value. For them, a car is not a symbol of freedom and individuality (and social status) like it is to us. It's interesting to challenge yourself to view things how they do.
 
It's interesting to challenge yourself to view things how they do.

Yes, I always try to do that no matter the age. I don't believe it yet, but you guys are making me question it. I'll have to do some research; I am going to let my 5 year old cousin ask his classmates on their view (serious btw!)

But still, I don't think age matter when asked the question of owning your own (self driving in the not too distant future) car, or having some dude driving you around, even when he'll be at your doorstep in 5 mins wherever you are...being driven around in a taxi feels like a cage to me. And incredibly frustrating because 99.99% of the population simply can't drive.
 
The whole Uber/lyft thing is interesting, but progressing it one step further once autonomous driving is commonplace, will you really need your own car, or can you simply 'rent' a driverless car for whatever occasion you need it? Going out for a romantic date night? 7 series please. Weekend getaway? Z4 will be at your door in 5 minutes. Family trip? X5 reserved.

I guess that's more what the future of car rentals could be, because Uber/Lyft is individuals offering taxi service using their own vehicles.

Yes indeed, Uber is even actively researching self driving cars.

Interesting discussion. This thread's got me inspired. I have a business trip coming up next week, I'm going to give Uber or Lyft a go to get a ride from the airport to hotel.

Yes, definitely give Uber/Lyft a try. I was a sceptic till I tried it last year. But airport to hotel will probably not work because many cities/airports restrict who can do pick ups at airports to regular Taxis.
 
Yes, definitely give Uber/Lyft a try. I was a sceptic till I tried it last year. But airport to hotel will probably not work because many cities/airports restrict who can do pick ups at airports to regular Taxis.

I'll only be going to San Diego, so both companies offer service to/from the airport. Should be interesting. Quick question as a newbie, how does the whole tip thing work?
 
I'll only be going to San Diego, so both companies offer service to/from the airport. Should be interesting. Quick question as a newbie, how does the whole tip thing work?

With Uber, never seen an option in the app, so I have not and I don't think you are expected to. But I give 5/5 stars almost always. The drivers get screwed if they don't avg 4.8 or some crazy number like that.
 
Hedging their bets? BMW launches ReachNow car- and ride-sharing service

But then again, that is also the issue with big corporations... perpetually hedging, never committing.
 
Yes indeed, Uber is even actively researching self driving cars.

They're watching us already :confused.doodle:

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You won't be having that moment of privacy in picking out the nastiest bag out of the hole

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I've never used Uber, but I have beef with their customers not being able to tell which car they called/summoned.
Every time I'm waiting for somebody in any car, somebody is pulling my door handle or asking me if I'm their Uber.
This happens to me in any car I'm driving.
Must be my Middle Eastern looks :D

Juice press' CEO in Casey's volg gave me an idea:
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The 2017 Financial Times Future of the Car Summit, held last week in London, assembled a roster of high-profile speakers to discuss the forces reshaping the automotive sector. The future potential of autonomous vehicles (AVs), emerging shared mobility services and the changing prospects for car ownership loomed large over the agenda.

The event’s opening keynote was delivered by Ford EMEA chief executive Jim Farley, who said his company must transform from vehicle manufacturer to mobility provider. He said a key step was Ford’s acquisition last year of Chariot, a US-based ride-sharing service.

“Every Chariot takes 10 cars off the road,” he observed, adding that manufacturers must start to think beyond shifting metal. “Will the overall math mean less volume? I don’t know,” he admitted. “Vehicles will be much more highly utilised. Today, someone who does a lot of miles might use their car 10% of the time. But an autonomous vehicle used 100% of the time has a very different profile.”

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Farley said Ford’s $1bn investment in artificial intelligence company Argo AI was a vital step towards future AVs and smart services, such as search provision for finding the best means of transport from place to place.

“The most important factor is partnership with cities,” Farley added. “The urban environment is where the transformation will be most apparent. Even if all cars go electric, there will still be huge congestion issues, so the answer lies in collaboration.”

While Farley emphasised that Ford must cater “for everyone, not just rich people,” other speakers noted that future mobility options are likely to remain divided along familiar lines.

“Mercedes will be a premium mobility service provider in the future, not just a premium car manufacturer,” observed Wilko Stark, head of strategy at Daimler. “It’s not just about the vehicle but the whole experience around it.”

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Daimler are “pushing like hell” to lead Level 5 autonomous tech

Stark said that Level-5 AVs (able to operate in all circumstances without a driver) will bring “real disruption” to the automotive industry. “We are pushing this like hell, to be one of the first companies in autonomous driving,” he said. Daimler has established a joint venture with Bosch to develop AV technology and is also partnering with Uber, although Stark said this relationship would not stop the company providing its own mobility services.

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Stark added that the biggest market for AVs would not be Europe or the US – he cited Morgan Stanley research predicting that by 2030, shared services will account for about a third of all miles travelled by car in China.

China is already outpacing the US in smartphone adoption and the scope of digital services, Stark added. “At Mercedes-Benz, we look at what is going on in China, especially when it comes to connectivity. We are not looking to the US and definitely not looking to Europe.”

Maarten Sierhuis, director of Nissan’s Silicon Valley Research Center, told delegates that new mobility services will have an enormous impact. “Driverless cars will change society,” he predicted. “We will create entirely new practices around new mobility services.”

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However, Sierhuis said barriers ahead of AVs remain stubbornly high, both in cost and capability. Nissan has proposed a system that would use remote human operators to act like air traffic controllers, helping AVs to deal with situations beyond their programming.

Sierhuis said a key challenge would be to create efficient human-machine interface (HMI) designs for semi-autonomous cars. “If we have ‘eyes on’, we still need the driver to take over, but at that moment we have two drivers in the system – the human and the autonomous system – and they are kind of fighting each other for control. That is not an easy problem to solve. In some ways, taking the driver out of the vehicle is easier, because that HMI part falls away and it becomes a simpler problem.”

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Johann Jungwirth, chief digital officer at the Volkswagen Group, said that technology will simplify car usage even before full autonomy arrives. “Why do we still have seven, eight steps before you start driving?” he asked. “I want to reduce this to zero. The doors should open automatically. Why is there still a light switch? Why is there a parking switch? Why is there a start-stop button in EVs? Why doesn’t the car just do all of this by itself?”

Jungwirth said the VW Group has developed a design and engineering approach called ‘human thinking’. “For me, human thinking is about putting the human in the centre,” he explained. “Is [the vehicle] emotional, does it touch people’s lives, does it bring society forward, does it solve people’s problems?”

Stefan Sielaff, design director at Bentley Motors, also focused on human factors in his presentation.

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“The next generation, the digital natives, are obviously very important,” Sielaff noted. “These young human beings are growing up in a completely different environment with a completely different mindset. They will live in megacities, like almost 80% of the population within 30 years, and we have to face this fact.”

Sielaff said AVs guided by swarm technology would be vital in avoiding gridlock, but that consumer choice and the provision of premium services would still be essential. He recalled the fate of Eastern Bloc products after the fall of the Berlin Wall. “Trabant – doing red, yellow or blue cars – were dead one day after the opening of the wall,” he recalled. “Because humans always want to have more than bread and water, if they can afford it.”

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Mike Flewitt, chief executive of McLaren Automotive, delivered the summit’s closing keynote, pointing out that his firm is in the entertainment rather than the transport business. “I don’t envisage full autonomy for McLaren,” he said. “Maybe it would be useful for cities or highways, but we’d return control to the driver when they reach the kind of roads where you’d want to drive yourself.”

McLaren is currently developing its first pure electric car, having already produced plug-in hybrids. “We want an EV McLaren that’s more exciting to drive than a P1,” he said. “The challenge is maintaining the attributes that communicate emotionally to our customers. We won’t bring an electric McLaren to market until we’ve cracked that challenge.”

Source: Car Design News
 
I want to rage against these opinions, but I'm not the future of motoring... so for all I know, they're right.

... actually no, they're not, their future isn't about motoring, it's about being at point A, then at point B, whilst losing as little of your life in between as possible... I guess I can relate to this, it's how I prefer to fly... but I guess for pilots, it wouldn't be so great.. and it won't be for motorists.

.. if you get my metaphor.

I'm losing faith in this whole megacity notion too. The denser cities get, the less relevant individual transport for the masses gets.
 
The denser cities get, the less relevant individual transport for the masses gets.

I live in a smallish city, where the longest I've had to ever sit in traffic was about 10 minutes. Then again, I found myself in downtown Athens a few week ago and I spent several hours stuck in traffic.

As I used as much fuel in a few hours of stop and go and stop again traffic as I used to go there and return, I find sitting in traffic stupid and pointless. But I was comfortable. Late, pissed, annoyed but comfortable.

If "they" can come up with a mean of modular or whatever transport that solves these traffic jams, and at the same time means that I don't have to smell half the city's armpits in the metro, I am in for it.

For anything else, I'm sticking to my car.
 
I live in a smallish city, where the longest I've had to ever sit in traffic was about 10 minutes. Then again, I found myself in downtown Athens a few week ago and I spent several hours stuck in traffic.

As I used as much fuel in a few hours of stop and go and stop again traffic as I used to go there and return, I find sitting in traffic stupid and pointless. But I was comfortable. Late, pissed, annoyed but comfortable.

If "they" can come up with a mean of modular or whatever transport that solves these traffic jams, and at the same time means that I don't have to smell half the city's armpits in the metro, I am in for it.

For anything else, I'm sticking to my car.

I'm sure there are equations and algorithms, but if you start in a hot, sweaty congested city, and finish in a hot, sweaty congested city... then the chances are, you're competing with other armpit owning humans for space... this raises the cost of living, and reduces the chance of being able to own your own transport. Dense cities simply cannot give the public car sized environments, and still move the same number of people, through such small spaces, as quickly. I think there is a socio-economic plateau that negates a large portion of MegaCity dwellers, that will shift that 80% statistic back in favour of motorists, that some people aren't taking into account....

... though I'm not an expert, and as a single white young middle aged male with no dependents I only represent the minority.... So, I could be talking arse.
 

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