C-Class [Hot!] 2022 Mercedes-AMG C63S (W206)

[AbsoluteUnit]

Is this the fairytale's thread?

Why not? Not like the actual C63S is anything that anyone wants. Might as well daydream in here.

 

[klier]

Not sure what's so ridiculous about it. What he's described is essentially a tuned up C43 with 470hp.

It's ridiculous because they have to remake the car from the start. Which would 1) be way too expensive and 2) take way too long.
Take the car and scrap the EV parts. F' ing LOL.

Is this the fairytale's thread?

Yep!

 

[Pagani]

Not sure what's so ridiculous about it. What he's described is essentially a tuned up C43 with 470hp.

Which would definitely be pretty quick without the extra mass of batteries it needs to carry.

What would be fun however, is if Mercedes made a inline 6 version of the M139L with the same boost set up, and then stick that in the C63. Should theoretically be capable of 705 horsepower.
And then make a V8 version with a theoretical 940hp.

Has anyone tried to decouple the engine from the electric motor yet? Even though it’s a four banger, removing the electric paraphernalia (theoretically) should save a lot of weight — maybe 600-650kg? That would surely make the 475hp I4 powered car quite powerful and a much better handler…

It would be a project similar to building a new car. You’d have to take the entire car apart to remove the EDU, additional transmission, battery, not to mention fix the rest of the car to fit. No one in their right mind would try.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

What I meant isn't to remove the P3 hybrid system from the C63se, but to start with the C43 which uses the exact same engine, and tune it up to 476PS.
And to reduce the lag caused by the extreme boost, hook up the e-supercharger to the 48V mild hybrid setup.

Wouldn't that be a hell of a lot easier?

 

[Fastpaddy]

We will soon know what v8 version of this car could have been capable of

 

[Merc1]

I’m holding out hope for Mercedes to do the right thing here.

M

 

[Rolf]

I think this is another W203 C55 moment with the W206. AMG lost their marbles with this car and thought the customers don't actually buy their cars cause of the powertrains, but they wrong and it's shown in the dismal sales.

Instead of installing the measly 4 cylinder they could have saved 200kg and installed the same V8 (612PS) as in the GT 63 Pro.

With a weight of 1900kg this car would be even faster than the 4-cylinder C63 as its shown that the GT 63 Pro is claimed to be faster and it weighs 1950kg.
0-100km/h in 3.2sec (C63 - 3.4sec)
0-200km/h in 10.9sec (C63 - 12.6sec)

 

[Serpens]

I think this is another W203 C55 moment with the W206. AMG lost their marbles with this car and thought the customers don't actually buy their cars cause of the powertrains, but they wrong and it's shown in the dismal sales.

Instead of installing the measly 4 cylinder they could have saved 200kg and installed the same V8 (612PS) as in the GT 63 Pro.

With a weight of 1900kg this car would be even faster than the 4-cylinder C63 as its shown that the GT 63 Pro is claimed to be faster and it weighs 1950kg.
0-100km/h in 3.2sec (C63 - 3.4sec)
0-200km/h in 10.9sec (C63 - 12.6sec)

I think they're aware they could've done this, the problem is fleet emissions and economy. They were clearly trying to solve for tighter standards which now look like they're going to get relaxed.

 

[Sunny]

I think they're aware they could've done this, the problem is fleet emissions and economy. They were clearly trying to solve for tighter standards which now look like they're going to get relaxed.

Yea, that is one way to help "fleet emissions and economy" - dwindle the fleet by making a vehicle no one buys!

 

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[AndreB]

Yea, that is one way to help "fleet emissions and economy" - dwindle the fleet by making a vehicle no one buys!

Or make better EVs so more people will buy.

 

[Centurion]

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Naah. The name it's the least of its problem.

Wrong price
Wrong drivetrain
Wrong marketing

 

[Merc1]

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[martinbo]

Such a great looking car. All more the shame that it gets such an unwanted powertrain.

 

[klier]

Such a great looking car. All more the shame that it gets such an unwanted powertrain.

I guess it depends on what you compare it with. It's just like Ferrari's latest hypercar, just dialed back

 

[Rolf]

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This was an excellent review, I liked the comments from both testers as well as the tech breakdown of the EV parts etc. The track test was very informative and entertaining.

 

[martinbo]

I guess it depends on what you compare it with. It's just like Ferrari's latest hypercar, just dialed back

Must. Ignore. The... Bait. Nnnnghhh.

 

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[Pagani]

Doug put the criticism best so far: drives like a Subaru. I own a Subaru (one of three cars in the family) and I happen to think mine drives as well as the prior C43 I got to test once. So, normally not a knock. But a 63 cannot compare to a Subaru.

 

[Rolf]

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This car would be close to perfection if AMG installs the 450kw (612PS) version of the V8 and removes the hybrid tech. These are the obvious benefits:

1) At least 250 to 300kg less weight. Will be a huge benefit for the handling and braking.
2) Improved performance especially at higher speeds. The new AMG GT Pro is a good example, it weighs 1950kg and with the 450kw powertrain does 0-100 in 3.2sec (vs 3.4 in the C63) and 0-200 in 10.9sec (vs 12.6 in the C63).
3) Increased boot size from 280ltr to 455 ltr.
4) Less complexity with the matching of the engine with gearbox and electric motor and gearbox.
5) It doesn't run out of power after long usage. The current C63 will only have 680PS for 10 seconds and then normally have 570PS, but if there is no battery power, then only 476PS will be available from the 4cylinder engine, while the V8 will have 612PS all the time.
6) Smoother and more refined power delivery.
7) Much more character and a melodious roar from the V8 under full throttle.