Spectre [Hot!] Rolls-Royce 'Spectre' EV

[bmwz4coupe]

How is the sales numbers for the Spectre? I heard that the sales are low. Wich would be a shame, EV is perfect for a Rolls, since I would believe engine noise is not so important for their customers. And not only is it silent, but EV is also smoother so the ride is more comfortable as well. If I was buying a Rolls I would buy this, no doubt.

 

[klier]

Shame about the drivetrain.

The platform is the same Alu spaceframe as all the other RR models, so there's always this chance they give people some actual choice and put the V12 in......

Here's hoping.

How is the sales numbers for the Spectre? I heard that the sales are low. Wich would be a shame, EV is perfect for a Rolls, since I would believe engine noise is not so important for their customers. And not only is it silent, but EV is also smoother so the ride is more comfortable as well. If I was buying a Rolls I would buy this, no doubt.

Casio is a better watch in terms of primary function, a Rolex more desireable

 

[Centurion]

Shame about the drivetrain.

I think it's a good model for testing an EV drivetrain. Quiet and smooth power delivery suits the nature of the brand. This is not the type of car that people buy to pop the hood anyways or rev at car meets. Furthermore more, as an EV it's cost efficient to lease as a business expense. This is not feasible for the V12 models.

 

[Merc1]

Who leases a Rolls Royce and then worries about cost? Yes they should offer a V12 version for people with money who are uninterested in EVs. Rolls Royces absolutely do have their hoods popped on the lawns at various events for the super rich. Seeing a V12 is far sexier than talking about a battery pack.

M

 

[klier]

Furthermore more, as an EV it's cost efficient to lease as a business expense.

Haha, good one. Cost effective and RR.
But anyways, it's not even that. A Spectre and Ghost are priced very similarly at around $5k per month in the U.S, the Spectre even being slightly more expensive overall.

 

[Centurion]

Haha, good one. Cost effective and RR.
But anyways, it's not even that. A Spectre and Ghost are priced very similarly at around $5k per month in the U.S, the Spectre even being slightly more expensive overall.

Some people get and stay rich by being smart with their money. This includes ensuring that as little money as possible flows through them. The more that flows through businesses and other entities, the better. It means less tax.

Depending on country and current tax regimes, some cars can be significantly more cost efficient to own. JLR for example makes versions of the Defender without back seats. Because the cargo area is bigger than than the one for occupants, it’s classified as a van. Therefore you can buy it as a business van and reap several financial benefits that you couldn’t if you bought it privately.

Even billionaires don’t buy yachts under their own names. It would be highly tax inefficient. They buy them under their own names name of a business. Charter them for some parts of the year and they expense their use for business meetings.

But, I digress. The spectre won’t be for everyone but it’s good that RR are testing the waters. Some people who live in countries where V12 are taxed 100-200% will appreciate any means to own an RR in a tax efficient way.

 

[Merc1]

I don’t see how that applies to a Rolls Royce or similarly expensive cars. A lot of money is going out the door no matter how you acquire it. Why would person buying half million dollar car, if they truly can afford it, care about taxes on engine size? None of that makes any sense imo. You can either afford it or you can’t. I seriously doubt cost efficiency is a consideration when buying a Rolls Royce.

M

 

[Matski]

I've never had to finance a £5500 a month for a car payment, but in the UK a portion of the car's value is added to your income for tax purposes if it is done through your employers/your company, since this is inevitably at the highest rate of tax (45%) it makes a big difference to the real cost of having the car (given the massive discrepancy between the portion that's added to your tax for an EV and an ICEV). You can rent a 2 bedroom flat in the City of London for the additional tax you'd pay on a Cullinan over a Spectre, I'd imagine that's enough to at least be factored in by a wealthy person here, even if it's not the deciding factor.

 

[Centurion]

I don’t see how that applies to a Rolls Royce or similarly expensive cars. A lot of money is going out the door no matter how you acquire it. Why would person buying half million dollar car, if they truly can afford it, care about taxes on engine size? None of that makes any sense imo. You can either afford it or you can’t. I seriously doubt cost efficiency is a consideration when buying a Rolls Royce.

M

Much of the modern financial system works on taxes, loans(financial leverage). The majority of cars and homes are bought on credit. There are people who are paper rich or have iliquid assets.

There are different levels of wealth. Not everyone who buys a RR is oil rich and can buy to buy one for three different homes. Furthmore there are many who can afford to buy a RR outright but have zero interest in cars or want discretion.

This leaves market of HENRY(High earner, Not yet rich). This includes athletes who are not smart about how they spend their high income which...............inevitbly stops. RR, Mclaren and Lamborghini also sell a decent number of cars to businesses e.g rental car companies, wedding car services etc.

Very few high-end brands exclusively rely on income from the 1%. This includes Hermes who sell $10,000 birking bags but earn the majority of revenue from selling perfumes and scarves to the wannabe rich.

For RR themselves, there are huge tax and financial benefits to developing zero emission cars:
-R&D tax relief
-Advanced Propulsion Centre (APC) funding
-Automotive Transformation Fund (ATF)
-Full expensing for equipment used to manufacture EVs

 

[Merc1]

Much of the modern financial system works on taxes, loans(financial leverage). The majority of cars and homes are bought on credit. There are people who are paper rich or have iliquid assets.

There are different levels of wealth. Not everyone who buys a RR is oil rich and can buy to buy one for three different homes. Furthmore there are many who can afford to buy a RR outright but have zero interest in cars or want discretion.

This leaves market of HENRY(High earner, Not yet rich). This includes athletes who are not smart about how they spend their high income which...............inevitbly stops. RR, Mclaren and Lamborghini also sell a decent number of cars to businesses e.g rental car companies, wedding car services etc.

Very few high-end brands exclusively rely on income from the 1%. This includes Hermes who sell $10,000 birking bags but earn the majority of revenue from selling perfumes and scarves to the wannabe rich.

For RR themselves, there are huge tax and financial benefits to developing zero emission cars:
-R&D tax relief
-Advanced Propulsion Centre (APC) funding
-Automotive Transformation Fund (ATF)
-Full expensing for equipment used to manufacture EVs

You’re really all over the place here. Much of it is just your speculation and the rest is under the water is wet category. My point is tho, no one buying is a Rolls is penny pinching and if they are they can’t afford the car in the first place. There are no engine size taxes here. It’s irrelevant. You’re all off into how many homes and and a car for each, again not even remotely relevant to what I was saying here. You’re moving the goal post talking about how much high end brands depend on the 1% for their income. No one said that they “exclusively” depend on the 1% for their income. Unless you have proof I’m going with the notion that one percenters are the majority of Rolls buyers and they aren’t nearly as hung up on all this as you are.

M