SLR Mercedes-Benz And McLaren Building The Last Of The SLR Supercars

[Sunny]

If that is what you took from my post, then so be it.

The issue is that saying the SLR is horrible, terrible compared to competitors and other comments makes your (meaning those who accused the SLR of being such things) posts completely invalid and irrelevant UNLESS you have actually driven the car.

It's the same thing as me saying the F1 drove horrible and had the drive of a go kart because I heard someone else say it.

Just like the current 5 series, I hate to see it and hated the design. That still didn't validate me to talk about the actual "drive" of the car. After test driving it then I would be valid in talking about it's handling and performance...because I actuall experienced the car for myself.

Sitting at your computer and bashing a car "driving ability" because of what you heard (not your actual driving experience) is pointless.

Drive the car yourself. I'm sure there is some way you could get behind the wheel of one. I'm sure Paris Hilton isn't using hers at the moment. It's far better then reading an article and depending on that to start an argument against the car.

Hearing these comments is almost laughable.

Lol...It's like talking bad about a Burger King sandwich taste that you haven't even tasted.

Yes, we are all guilty of bashing cars, but come on.

While I wish I had the means to drive each and every car and make my own opinion on every one of them, I unfortunately don't have the means to do so, especially when it comes to exotics. And I doubt I am alone here in that position. So I usually formulate my opinion of cars I can't drive on my own by reading opinion of auto journalists whose opinion I respect and have driven the car and other cars like it which allow them to make an educated opinion. If that makes my opinion of a car invalid for you, you should just skip my posts (and I guess others in my same position) and read only the opinion of people who have actually driven the car.

 

[Sunny]

so you dont wipe? how do you deal with the skid marks?

Haha, no I can use them, just can't criticize them. I guess I shouldn't join asswipezone.com.

 

[Monster]

the car was just a fast,heavy roadster. While it certainly looked the part, the SLR's driving dynamics should've been way better for a $500,000 car.

From reading all the reviews and discussions, the SLR's driving dynamics is fine it handles alright, but it doesn't involve the driver in the actual process like the other supercars do.

Did Julius drive the SLR before? I remember him posting some photos of the car with a quick review.

 

[martinbo]

What's the effing point of reading if we can't use the information provided by reputable, experienced and professional individuals? This is the fundamental premise of academia - we learn from knowledge that is recorded and documented by credible individuals who are deemed as being learned scholars in their field of study.

The whole point to reading about cars is that no-one on this planet will have driven every car there is to drive - not even Clarkson with all his experience.

Thank heavens that we have talented, credible journalists who:
a) come from a motorsport background or still compete in motorsport
b) have an engineering background
c) are professional scribes by trade with decades of experience
d) are advanced driving instructors and/or test drivers

These are the people who have the ability to provide the world with a credible and informed opinion. Not some average Joe who's had the opportunity to mash accelerator pedal to the carpet and proclaim: "Yes, I have driven it and, in my opinion, it's crap."

It's like me criticising Einstein's Theory of Relativity. What the f@*k do I know about that? Steven Hawking and his contemporaries in the academia - now they're in a position to do so. (Fortunately, their mathematics agrees with Einstein's mathematics.)

The point is, am I going to trust some rich oil baron's opinion on an SLR vs. that of let's say Steve Sutcliffe? Hell no. In addition - I can tell you now that give me an SLR and I'll probably wax lyrically woozy all over the thing. Why? Because my bloody frame of reference extends to a just a few hours behind the wheels of BMW's M cars - let alone a chuffing supercar. Of course I'm going to say the SLR is sensational - it's simply because I have nothing to compare it to - regardless of how many other cars I've driven.

It's all about who or what are you referencing and what is the credibility of that reference in order to substantiate your opinion as an informed one. It's a fundamental concept behind academic knowledge - and it works just as well in the real world.

The facts stand: from the majority of experienced automotive journalists, the SLR has not met with universal acclaim.

 

[Cashmere]

since this is a kind of a tribute thread, I'll throw in these vids for good measure:

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[Zafiro]

or Veyron vs SLR

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[martinbo]

I detest these straight line rolling drag races - they're so inconclusive.

No one here is disputing that the SLR is fast in a straight line - it's a phenomenally quick car. For those output numbers and at that price, it better darn well be. There's more to a supercar's repetoire of ability however than a plain ol' drag race.

It's purely down to personal preference, some folks just want the max power straight line accelerative ability - they're thinking Top Fuel and Funny Car.
Other people want a car that brakes and steers as brilliantly as it accelerates, they're thinking Formula 1.

Horses for courses...

 

[HighestOfHigh]

What's the effing point of reading if we can't use the information provided by reputable, experienced and professional individuals? This is the fundamental premise of academia - we learn from knowledge that is recorded and documented by credible individuals who are deemed as being learned scholars in their field of study.

The whole point to reading about cars is that no-one on this planet will have driven every car there is to drive - not even Clarkson with all his experience.

Thank heavens that we have talented, credible journalists who:
a) come from a motorsport background or still compete in motorsport
b) have an engineering background
c) are professional scribes by trade with decades of experience
d) are advanced driving instructors and/or test drivers

These are the people who have the ability to provide the world with a credible and informed opinion. Not some average Joe who's had the opportunity to mash accelerator pedal to the carpet and proclaim: "Yes, I have driven it and, in my opinion, it's crap."

It's like me criticising Einstein's Theory of Relativity. What the f@*k do I know about that? Steven Hawking and his contemporaries in the academia - now they're in a position to do so. (Fortunately, their mathematics agrees with Einstein's mathematics.)

The point is, am I going to trust some rich oil baron's opinion on an SLR vs. that of let's say Steve Sutcliffe? Hell no. In addition - I can tell you now that give me an SLR and I'll probably wax lyrically woozy all over the thing. Why? Because my bloody frame of reference extends to a just a few hours behind the wheels of BMW's M cars - let alone a chuffing supercar. Of course I'm going to say the SLR is sensational - it's simply because I have nothing to compare it to - regardless of how many other cars I've driven.

It's all about who or what are you referencing and what is the credibility of that reference in order to substantiate your opinion as an informed one. It's a fundamental concept behind academic knowledge - and it works just as well in the real world.

The facts stand: from the majority of experienced automotive journalists, the SLR has not met with universal acclaim.

This issue is how can you judge a car based on someone elses experience. It's just like someone here being a professional hamburger taster and I agree with everything they say. Worst part is that I believe them and refuse to go try out a certain hamburger because they say so.

These comments concerning the SLR are horrible. And borderline disrespectful and based on what...someone you don't even know personally. Engineering background or not, what they like in a car may be completely different then what you like.

This is just like magazine comparisons. When a certain car wins over another everyone will cry oh their wrong or oh their right depending on which car it is. If Jeremy Clarkson calls the new 5 series a crap mobile, will you believe him and never even try to drive the car? That is absolutely ridiculous. I'd rather try it out myself and get "first hand" experience.

It's just like calling an S-class or 7 series crap because someone with an engineering degree said it is. Make no sense at all. NOTHING compares to an on-hand experience.

I am sure if you all would actually "DRIVE" the car instead of re-typing what Clarkson or some other "Paid" actor says, I'm sure you all will have better things to say.

I detest these straight line rolling drag races - they're so inconclusive.

And what makes a car swing around a corner conclusive? How many times in your life will you do 90 around a curve? Matter of fact how many people even buy a car to drive around a track all day?

Some people want to know if they have to get on a highway, how fast will the car be able to catch up with traffic before it's a possibility that they will get hit. And believe me...I have had customers ask me just that. Straight line test actually demonstrates the actual power and speed of a car. Swinging around corners proves nothing, but how to hit unexpecting pedestrians.

The track means nothing unless your in a race that your getting PAID for.

 

[martinbo]

HoH, you're so narrow-minded. You live in your own bubble.

Take your blinkers off and realise that a) for people other than you, driving around a corner is more fun than driving in a straight line - particularly when you're close to a car's limits and b) not everyone on this forum is an utter idiot that goes around a corner at 90 mph in an urban zone. The streets of DC or wherever you live is no environment for on the limit cornering but there are roads all over the world that look something like this:

In the hands of a trained, competent driver, a good car being driven to its limits on the above roads in the right conditions is far safer than anyone doing 80 mph in a straightline down an urban road. The better the car behaves in a corner the better the overall driving experience. Same goes for track work. Have you ever done any? I have. Hundreds of circuit laps. And it's the frikken greatest thing a passionate driver can do with their time - because it's amazingly enjoyable. It's so much fun that I'd pay to do it and millions of people the world over do. It's recreation for pete's sake... what, are you telling me I shouldn't scuba dive because I don't get paid for it? And what about Golf or Soccer? Nope, can't do that because I don't get paid for it. Absurd.

Driving a car comes with responsibilities, the faster the car the greater the responsibility. In order to be a more responsible driver you need to be a better driver and a more informed driver but instead you give us:

Hamburger tasting. What an utterly bizarre analogy. By this logic, a novice driver should never attend an advanced driving course, nor pay attention to anything a professional instructor has to say and rather go out on to a public road and do exactly as they please in the name of "their own experience". This is precisely what kills people on the road.

A simple fact of life is that anyone can learn from people who know better.

Are you honestly so arrogant that you refuse to accept an opinion from the knowledge and experience of people who make it their jobs to learn, drive and tell people about the cars they've driven over the years? Don't you think that if these people had nothing of value or truth to say about cars that manufacturers wouldn't give them their vehicles to drive, experience and ultimately evaluate?

Motoring journalism is an intrinsic component in the marketing and technical progress of the automotive industry and there are journalists out there whose opinions and feedback are highly sought after by every prestige car maker out there.

 

[coolraoul]

I'd give you Karma if I could, Martin...

HoH, honestly...

If you are going as far as to say you don't trust the opinion of other peoples on a car, then why would you trust them about the fact that the earth is round? And why, if you haven't seen it yourself and experienced it with your own senses, believe that such a thing as the oxygen does exist?

It's a matter of fact: human knowledge advances by added layers, everybody adding a new layer of knowledge to the work of somebody else. If not, we would not do any progress at all whatsoever.
Same about cars: nobody can drive them all, if you don't trust other people's meaning then no comparison's possible, is that what you mean?

One single testdrive is of course not conclusive. But if the majority of the journalists that matter today are saying the same thing about a car, then I see no reason not to believe them.

Are you so much better than them, do you really think your appreciation of the car will be that superior to theirs? Do you think that your limited (have you ever driven one?) view of what a supercar is can rival that of experienced racedrivers or testdrivers having driven many supercars?

These guys know their stuff, they did drive the cars, they have a frame of comparison you cannot even dream about. If they pretty much all agree about a car, then this has to be somehow justified don'ya think?

Or maybe they're all wrong, and you're the only one who can ever be right about the SLR? Doesn't that sound a bit arrogant?

On a sidenote... Why is it more conclusive to make a car that swings around corners than one that flies oin a straightline?

Any idiot can squeeze 5 turbos under the bonnet of a car, give it 5000bhp, and make it the fastest from 0 to 100km/h.
Make it neutral, predictable, stable, informative, controllable and fast in a corner is way more difficult, thus gives a much better hinsight on the car's quality.
Driving a car to the limits, placing it just where you want, pushing it just the way it has to in order to be on the verge of spinning, having it in your full control and understanding exactly what happens on every of your wheels, is way more exciting than putting the pedal to the metal and giving one or two steering orders in 4 kms.

 

[Zafiro]

Personally I like to drive around in corners and I like to push the car and I dont need a track to enjoy my car. Welcome to Sweden , we have nice country roads here

 

[Bilal]

While there are valid points put forward by HoH and Martin, I would say that 'in the real world', a mix of each of their philosophies is correct. Automotive journalists like it or not are for many of us, 'our buying guide'. They get to drive many cars and try to tell us (objectively) which car is better and whatnot. For many of us, we are not able to afford our dream cars, therefore, we have to resort to endless 'first drive' reviews and countless full 'roadtests' by our favourite mags to find out just what 'our' favourite cars are like to drive.

While it is true, many drivers do not corner at high speeds on real roads in their cars, it is also true that most drivers also do not join highways blasting past at 120mph. The real world is unfortunately, quite boring. The vast majority of us trundle around in our 'econoboxes', commuting to work or doing the shopping (or maybe its just where I live). If we do decide to put our foot down, the sensible voice in our head quickly reminds us of the coppers, and then we stop, thinking is it really worth it? Our roads are littered with speed cameras, police cars, pedestrians and cyclists. Really ask yourselves, how much fun can you really have driving in the real world?

I'm assuming that those fortunate enough to own faster cars must also share the concerns of us mortals. Is it really worth accelerating fast through the next light so you can beat ordinary joe's in their Honda's and Fords? Or is it worth taking that country road at ridiculous speeds to test the car's agility with the ESP off? What would make you flinch first, the likely insurance bill or being six foot under when you realise you can't really drive like Lewis Hamilton?

Getting back to the original point, journalists do tend to know a lot about cars, but many of them are stupid, quite stupid in fact. In addition, many of them are biased, towards particular brands, countries and most importantly to us, the type of driving dynamics they prefer: I don't really want to know that the E350 CDI was bested by the 535D in the slalom, I want to know which one rides smoother. You get my point...

Now, take my example. I was in the market for a new car for my mum to replace her first-generation Merc A-Class; quite possibly the worst car ever made (crap build, interior, reliability, performance and drive). So I decided that her next car should be solid, good to drive and reliable? So what does the collective might of European automotive journalism recommend? The new VW Golf, a car so refined, comfortable and the best all-rounder, every man should have one. Well, I fell for it, so we bought it. Turns out, it's not as solid as you may think and by God is it boring to drive! You'd have more fun having a bowel movement!

Lesson? Go out and test drive and decide for yourself. But what about supercars you all say? Well, many of us can't afford them so we rely on journalists to tell us what they are like. But if you are ever lucky enough to buy a supercar, the maxim still applies, try before you buy! Don't put too much emphasis on journalist opinions and also don't believe stop light to stop light is the be all and end all.

Getting back to the original thread...

In my personal opinion, the SLR was an achievement for Mercedes-Benz and I was a particular fan of the car. It had its flaws, but what car doesn't? For sure MB milked the crap out of the car, but in the end, I'm glad they did.

By far the most coolest feature of the car was not the doors, airbrake or brash styling, it was in fact that at night, at high speed and at full power, blue flames portruded about a foot length from the side exhausts...

Did I also mention that it sounded the business?


Farewell old friend, we shall mourn your loss in our eco-conscious world...

 

[HighestOfHigh]

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HoH, you're so narrow-minded. You live in your own bubble.

HOH:Why do I have to be all that? Using journalist as a consideration when purchasing a car is absolutely fine. On the other hand depending on their every word is not something I would do.

Take your blinkers off and realise that a) for people other than you, driving around a corner is more fun than driving in a straight line - particularly when you're close to a car's limits and b) not everyone on this forum is an utter idiot that goes around a corner at 90 mph in an urban zone. The streets of DC or wherever you live is no environment for on the limit cornering but there are roads all over the world that look something like this:

HOH:Well this is the same thing with you saying that drag races are inconclusive. Just as turning corners is important to you drag races are important to others.

It's recreation for pete's sake... what, are you telling me I shouldn't scuba dive because I don't get paid for it? And what about Golf or Soccer? Nope, can't do that because I don't get paid for it. Absurd.

HOH: Never said anything about being paid to do something you like. Jeremy Clarkson is the one getting paid. When people depend on "his" every word because of what he is PAID to do is what I question.

Hamburger tasting. What an utterly bizarre analogy. By this logic, a novice driver should never attend an advanced driving course, nor pay attention to anything a professional instructor has to say and rather go out on to a public road and do exactly as they please in the name of "their own experience". This is precisely what kills people on the road.

HOH: How is that bizarre? It's call trying something out. Of course food is different then an automobile, but you still need to try it out before blasting it. It's like me sitting at home hearing an actor say the Toyota Camry sucks after he drove it. Yes, I may respect the actor, but I will go try it for myself. If I read an article in Motor Trend and they talk about a cars handling and driving experience I will take what they say in consideration. On the other hand I will go to the dealer and try to drive the car especially if play to buy it. Why would I ride around the dealership screaming that the car sucks bricks because someone in Motor Trend said it did? Makes no sense to me at all. Yes, I may respect the journalist, but I personally believe in trying things out myself.

Are you honestly so arrogant that you refuse to accept an opinion from the knowledge and experience of people who make it their jobs to learn, drive and tell people about the cars they've driven over the years? Don't you think that if these people had nothing of value or truth to say about cars that manufacturers wouldn't give them their vehicles to drive, experience and ultimately evaluate?

HOH: This has nothing to do with me being arrogant. Why should I not test drive a car? Seriously. Why would I sit at home and depend on Jeremy Clarkson every word? I read car magazines all the time and watch Automobile shows like Motor Week, which I love to watch. On the other hand I will take what they say under consideration, but I still would like to get a first hand experience. It amazes me that some of you don't.

Why sit here and dog the SLR? Because Jeremy Clarkson didn't like it? Really?

Yet if I go in a F1 thread and do that then World War III breaks out. Just seems odd to me.

It's one thing to consider a journalist argument, but believing everything they say is beyond me. I HIGHLY doubt these comments would stay the same if people actually got some time behind the wheel of the SLR.

Motoring journalism is an intrinsic component in the marketing and technical progress of the automotive industry and there are journalists out there whose opinions and feedback are highly sought after by every prestige car maker out there.

HOH:I completely agree.

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HoH, honestly...

If you are going as far as to say you don't trust the opinion of other peoples on a car, then why would you trust them about the fact that the earth is round? And why, if you haven't seen it yourself and experienced it with your own senses, believe that such a thing as the oxygen does exist?

HOH: Where talking about automobiles not the earth. It's really a matter of getting an on-hand experience. I don't believe in taking an automotive journalist word as LAW.

Same about cars: nobody can drive them all, if you don't trust other people's meaning then no comparison's possible, is that what you mean?

HOH: This is true. On the other hand why dog a car based on what others have said. Experience or not, you may get something completely different then what they tell you. It's just like your friend telling you after a riding a bike that it is a horrible experience and you believing him instead of getting on the bike yourself.

Yes, we might not have access to the SLR, but calling the car a horrible mistake (other then sales wise) is wrong. Might not have won a lot of comparison test, but it doesn't mean the car is an absolutely mess.

Are you so much better than them, do you really think your appreciation of the car will be that superior to theirs?

HOH: Who said I felt that I was better then them? This is not about me. This about not trashing a car that you haven't driven. That is my point. How can you call a car disappointing because of a magazine article? It is a totally different experience when driving the car yourself.

Or maybe they're all wrong, and you're the only one who can ever be right about the SLR? Doesn't that sound a bit arrogant?

HOH: Again this is not about me. I have no idea how the subject keeps changing from the SLR to me personally.

This is like saying a journalist saying a car is horrible. I go test drive the car and love it. Yet I say I'm not going to buy the car because the journalist told me it was horrible. Really?

Automotive journalist have said bad things about my truck. Yet I brought the car and love it. Very useful and drives like a dream. It would have made no sense for me to not have brought it because they said so. I am so glad I ignored them.

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Getting back to the original point, journalists do tend to know a lot about cars, but many of them are stupid, quite stupid in fact. In addition, many of them are biased, towards particular brands, countries and most importantly to us, the type of driving dynamics they prefer: I don't really want to know that the E350 CDI was bested by the 535D in the slalom, I want to know which one rides smoother. You get my point...

Now, take my example. I was in the market for a new car for my mum to replace her first-generation Merc A-Class; quite possibly the worst car ever made (crap build, interior, reliability, performance and drive). So I decided that her next car should be solid, good to drive and reliable? So what does the collective might of European automotive journalism recommend? The new VW Golf, a car so refined, comfortable and the best all-rounder, every man should have one. Well, I fell for it, so we bought it. Turns out, it's not as solid as you may think and by God is it boring to drive! You'd have more fun having a bowel movement!

Lesson? Go out and test drive and decide for yourself. But what about supercars you all say? Well, many of us can't afford them so we rely on journalists to tell us what they are like. But if you are ever lucky enough to buy a supercar, the maxim still applies, try before you buy! Don't put too much emphasis on journalist opinions and also don't believe stop light to stop light is the be all and end all.
Getting back to the original thread...

In my personal opinion, the SLR was an achievement for Mercedes-Benz and I was a particular fan of the car. It had its flaws, but what car doesn't? For sure MB milked the crap out of the car, but in the end, I'm glad they did.

By far the most coolest feature of the car was not the doors, airbrake or brash styling, it was in fact that at night, at high speed and at full power, blue flames portruded about a foot length from the side exhausts...

Did I also mention that it sounded the business?


Farewell old friend, we shall mourn your loss in our eco-conscious world...

Outstanding Post Bilal!

There is NOTHING that can compare to driving the car yourself!

 

[Sunny]

Great post Bilal. But to be fair, no one here was arguing one should buy a car based on a journalists opinion with out test driving it yourself. But to debate the merits/demerits of a car over the internet is a much cheaper proposition than actually buying a car.

 

[LaArtist]

There is nothing to complain about..
We dont know we just imagine that we know how it is to own a supercar..

Leno said..he has most miles on his SLR and the CGT just scrapes wherever he takes it..
I mean i like the CGT more..but not as much that i can withstand scraping and reparing all the time..or being afraid to use it..

The SLR gave crazy performance at daily basis.. not many supercars do that..

 

[martinbo]

HoH, I think we're talking at cross-purposes here.

I say you are 100% correct when it comes to forming your own opinion about the car you are going to buy. And when it comes to spending your own money and satisfying your own needs, I say to hell with what any journalist says. Take my case as an example, I own two Subarus that both came in for flak from my favourite motoring scribes. The Forester was criticised for being less-car like, bigger, taller, less fun to drive etc. The Impreza WRX hatch was far too soft, losing ground to the more firmly sprung VW GTI and certainly not as hard-core as the old WRX saloon. That still didn't sway my decision however as both cars suit my needs as a consumer right now: the Forester gives me the performance / lifestyle blend I'm looking for in a family vehicle and the WRX gives me a great daily driver with a good combination of comfort and sportiness.

So, 1-0 to HoH.

But wait, interestingly, my extensive experience (you'd be hard pressed to find a journo that's spent more time than me in all generations of turbo'd Foresters and Imprezas) leads me to concur with the majority of this opinion; most of these guys are spot-on. My new Forester isn't as much fun to drive as the previous, more car-like version. Same goes for their take on the WRX. The difference is that whilst the journos see fault in this new direction, I see virtue. It's nice to have a comfortable, more refined, more people friendly Scoob that's better suited to daily road use and not fast 'n furious stuff.

Now though, don't take my word for it - I'm just one individual. The general consensus amongst the most informed scribes and Subaru afficionados is that the new generation has lost some of its fun factor. And it's true.

Time and time again, I've driven a car and agreed with what the press has written about it. Whether this would influence my personal decision on buying a car is neither here nor there, because it's personally subjective.

Now, when it comes to supercars, not everyone will have the opportunity to drive an SLR. Let me say this again, if I drove an SLR I would tell all of you how fantastic it is. Because, let's be honest, for a regular guy like me IT IS!
But, who am I to judge really? What's my frame of reference? A 1986 930 Turbo? A BMW M6? Sadly, even with my decent level of skill behind the wheel, I'd not be able to impart a credible and informed opinion. Why? Because, with my frame of reference, I simply don't know what to compare it to.

But now, there are people out there who make a living out of driving and driving flipping brilliantly. These are the people that are entitled to impart a credible and referable opinion based on their skill, knowledge and experience. These are the hard-working motoring journalists of the world - some richer, some poorer - that bust their guts in bringing an enlightening and informed opinion to the masses who would otherwise never know anything about the car in question at all.

Whose opinion do we choose to believe? Well that's entirely up to our own ability to relate and identify with the journalists' preferences and the nature of the publication. So, I'm an EVO kinda guy - I can identify with what they value in a car and how it drives. My opinion is very often aligned with theirs (and other publications) regarding the cars I have driven, so when they tell me about the Zonda F or Veyron being epically fantastic, I believe them.

I've got a lot of EVOs too.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Well regardless of the negative journalist and comparisons, this car will be missed by "most" Mercedes-Benz loyalist. I for one am sorry to see it go. I love the new SLS, but the SLR design was outstanding. It showed that Mercedes had no limits to their creativity. In the end, if this car was "bad" as some claim the fault should not fall only on Mercedes-Benz, but McLaren as well. But in my eyes the car will always be one of Mercedes-Benz brightest stars....

Thanks for the Memories Mercedes....

 

[Tarek]

You'd have more fun having a bowel movement!

By far the most coolest feature of the car was not the doors, airbrake or brash styling, it was in fact that at night, at high speed and at full power, blue flames portruded about a foot length from the side exhausts...

Damn! that's news to me.

 

[ree]

Damn! that's news to me.

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[Tarek]

^Thanx ree that side blue flame is really cool indeed,i really like how the MB guy points out that the SLR is diff from the CGT and enzo as being a GT not a supercar.

Impressive still it reached the same top speed of the much lighter CGT supercar.