Motor Trend: BMW 535i vs Infinit M37S vs Lexus GS 350 F Sport vs Audi A6


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4TH PLACE: Infiniti M37S
Lovely -- But Big, Noisy, and Thirsty

3RD PLACE: Audi A6 3.0T
Fast and Powerful, With Minimal Feel

2ND PLACE: BMW 535i
But Will You Love Me Tomorrow?

1ST PLACE: Lexus GS 350 F Sport
Maybe The Ultimate Driving Machine


Read more: Six-Cylinder Midsize Luxury Sedan Comparison - Audi A6, BMW 535i, Lexus GS 350, Infiniti M37 - Motor Trend



When you turned 40 and promised yourself a big reward for the promotion at work, life proceeded to get crazier than normal. Translation: you got sidetracked and never splurged on that big-ticket item. Worse, three neighbors -- guys around the same age -- stayed on track and filled their garages with snazzy sheetmetal.
Take John the banker. He never stopped raving about his Audi A4's turbo engine and Quattro AWD -- until he stepped up to the all-new A6. Now he won't stop bragging about LED running lamps and the supercharged V-6. And when he concludes with, "It's got the latest generation of Quattro," you've already heard it so many times that you now say it in unison. Forget anger; you're jealous.




Then there's Mitch the lawyer. Nice guy, but if you have to endure one more speech about how the badge on his 328i really stands for "Brilliant Motor Works," you're going to hurl. So the day he comes home in a sparkling 535i touting an M Package, you tell your wife she'd better buy a case of Pepto. "I thought you liked Mitch?" "I do -- I just want his car!"
Finally, there's Tim the tennis pro, who's never shy about giving pointers on your backhand. Former owner of an Infiniti G25 with the vanity plate ACE, Tim recently pulled up to your house in an M37S. "It hits 100 mph in less time than my serve." Despite the self-serving (ahem) joke, Tim's still likable. Well, he was -- until you caught his new vanity: LOVE40.


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Unlike Tim, you're not loving 40, certainly now that it's three years gone and your once-hot Lexus IS 250 is decidedly lukewarm. But when you recently took the IS to the dealer for an oil change, you saw a glimmer of hope -- the 2013 GS 350. "Whoa, check out that face -- if that doesn't make the guys jealous, at least it will scare 'em."

But if there's one thing that got you this far, it's never making a hasty decision. Before writing a $60,000 check, due diligence is required on the A6, 535i, M37, and, of course, the new GS 350. Each is a fine example of what you aspire to drive: a high-style midsize sedan with a 300-hp V-6 and lofty levels of luxury and technology. To that end, you can't forget about the Mercedes-Benz E350. Looks like the toughest midlife crisis will be deciding.



4TH PLACE: Infiniti M37S Had we been able to get an E350 (Mercedes-Benz PR declined our invite, saying they'd prefer to participate when the refreshed E debuts sometime next year), it still would have finished ahead of the Infiniti. That's because the M was, um, a bit of a mess. See those big 20-inch alloys set under that bold, curvaceous body that stands more than 59 inches tall? Well, the wheels, along with the meaty 245/40 Bridgestones, heighten unsprung weight, and that tallest-in-test roof heightens (literally) the center of gravity, all of which makes the Infiniti ill-prepared for passing physics. Throw in a touchy throttle, overly heavy steering, a stubborn transmission, grabby brakes, and a zealous stability-control system, and the M proved an absolute handful on our twisty road loop.

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"Holy squealing tires and elbows, Batman!" said senior features editor Jonny Lieberman. Online editor Nate Martinez: "The gearbox went into Save Me mode near the end of the loop. It wouldn't let me downshift from 3 to 2 no matter how slow the speed or the rpm. It literally thought I was going to kill it." Associate editor Scott Evans: "The stability control is hyper-reactive. It's constantly on when you're trying to drive fast, always braking a wheel at the slightest hint of fun. Even when the light isn't flashing, you can feel it braking the inside wheel."



At the test track, the M managed to save some face, putting up acceleration (0-60 mph in 5.5 seconds, quarter mile in 14.0 seconds at 99.6 mph), handling (lateral acceleration of 0.89 g, figure eight of 25.9 seconds at 0.70 g), and braking (60-0 in 108 feet) numbers that were virtually identical to those of the BMW. The only differences were that technical director Kim Reynolds had nice things to say about the BMW through the figure eight -- the M37 he deemed nose-heavy and suffering from sudden off-center steering gain -- and road test editor Scott Mortara noted the M's 3.7-liter V-6 was comparably loud and coarse during accel runs. Speaking of the M's V-6, not only is it the biggest and loudest of the bunch, it's also the thirstiest, consuming 18/26 mpg city/highway per the EPA and just 16.6 mpg per our evaluation.


Of course, it wasn't all doom and gloom for the M. Our crew appreciated the exterior styling ("Although now a few years old, the M's physique is still handsome. Nakamura-san's design philosophy based on flowing lines and rounded corners works well on this sedan." -- Martinez) and interior ambiance ("The design is very organic and the materials are good quality." - Evans). Further, the M is loaded with such useful tech bits as a blind-spot system, lane-departure warning and prevention, heated/cooled front seats, and a Forest Air system that cleans and humidifies the cabin air. But at over $61,000 as tested, or more than $2000 above the Lexus, the M37S simply felt too sloppy, cumbersome, and half-baked to place higher than fourth. Consider it a double fault.
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3RD PLACE: Audi A6 3.0T
Fast and Powerful, With Minimal Feel





Yeah, yeah, I know -- the Audi smokes the others in just about every performance measurement and is the least expensive, but somehow finishes third. Which means we're all morons and can't tell a steering wheel from a Frisbee. Trust us, we've heard all the rants before, and, despite what you may believe, we understand the anger, disbelief, and bewilderment. It just doesn't make sense, right? Let me explain.


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Yes, the A6, whose supercharged 3.0-liter V-6 doles out the most torque (325 lb-ft) and second-most horsepower (310), outclassed the others from 0 to 60 (4.7 seconds), in the quarter mile (13.4 seconds at 102.2 mph), around the skidpad (0.95 g), and through the figure eight (25.1 seconds at 0.74 g). In fact, the only test it didn't win outright was 60 to 0 braking, which, at 106 feet, placed it in a tie with the BMW. But despite four wins and one first-place tie, the A6 finished last in the most important criterion: driver engagement. Martinez: "The Audi failed to give me any enthusiastic feedback. There was no visceral exhaust note to go with the entertaining speed and no communicative steering either. It just felt like it was going through the motions." Lieberman: "The Audi has Quattro, but it's very nose-heavy. Audi masks this flaw with all-wheel drive and gobs of power, but it's not a good-feeling car to drive. For instance, while not as fast, the Lexus just kills the Audi in feel."
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But, as you're sure to write in your heated letters, the A6 is undeniably quick. Evans: "Hammer it out of a corner and you're off. Phenomenal corner exit with all that grip and power." Moreover, it's not that the A6 doesn't inspire confidence -- with Quattro, an intuitive eight-speed with paddles, and big 255/40 Pirellis at every corner, it's quite the opposite, in fact -- it's that it does so without inviting the driver along for the thrilling ride. An enthusiast behind the wheel will be impressed with the Audi, but not any more impressed than the front passenger. Unlike the top two finishers, the A6 doesn't grab the driver and say, "C'mon, partner, let's go!" No, it's more of a "Welcome to business class. Please buckle up and enjoy the ride."





That said, it's hard to fault aspects of a nice business class. The A6's cabin was deemed a stylish mix of leather, wood, and aluminum, as well as a welcome high-tech hot-spot, what with Google maps, Audi Connect, and a motorized 7-inch display that tucks neatly into the dash when the power is turned off. Still, the Audi isn't the ideal biz class. Its seats, front and back, are rather flat; its ride was the stiffest of the group; and, despite being the heaviest of the bunch, it came across a bit tinny, somewhat hollow, and pretty noisy. With traits like that, not to mention a conspicuous lack of driver involvement, the quick, surefooted, and "bargain" $57,470 A6 is an investment we'd buy after two others.

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2ND PLACE: BMW 535i
But Will You Love Me Tomorrow?



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It's no secret that we haven't exactly turned cartwheels over this latest generation of 5 Series. Two years ago, when the so-called F10 debuted, it didn't even make it to Round 2 of our Car of the Year competition. And that was a year after the last iteration of the previous-gen E60 won an eight-car comparison test. Talk about following in the footsteps of greatness -- and stumbling.
But whether this $63,245 Alpine White 535i with an M Sport Package stumbled into second place is moot. At the end of an arduous weeklong test, we scored it higher than the Audi, and here's why: better ride (silkiest of the group), quieter interior (quietest of the group), smoother engine (smoothest of the group), engaging steering, more comfortable and supportive seats, and an overwhelming sense of solidity. Whereas the A6 tried really, really hard to feel like a $60,000 automobile, the BMW didn't even break a sweat.

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Much of the 5's air of expensiveness comes from its 7 Series' underpinnings, which, alas, make the 535i feel like its bigger and heavier sibling. It is no longer an upsized 3, but rather a downsized 7. While we prefer the former, there is a plus side to the latter. Says Evans: "The embodiment of what I think of when I think German. Very solid, substantial. Buttoned-down and refined, no-nonsense." From Lieberman: "All that solidity equates to one hell of a nice, smooth ride. 80 mph feels more like 40 mph, and 90 mph feels like a totally responsible, safe cruising speed."



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Though not as quick as the Audi and just a tick behind the Lexus to 60, the BMW was nonetheless one brisk Bavarian, registering a 0-60 run of 5.5 seconds and a quarter-mile jaunt of 14.0 flat at 99.3 mph. And in addition to putting down a curt 106-foot 60-0 stopping distance, the 535i circled the skidpad with 0.89 g of intensity and weaved through the figure eight in a respectable 25.9 seconds at 0.69 g. The BMW is a rewarding car, in that you get a sense for its easy-to-explore limits, but it's also a frustrating car, because its feels so different from its beloved predecessor. Martinez: "Immediately after turn-in, there comes a behavior that's very non-BMW: Plowing." But endure that initial understeer and the 535i satisfies. Lieberman: "Understeer shows up, but generally because you're pushing hard. A more gentle hand is rewarded with a high level of smoothness and a chassis that eats up transitions and corners."
Also helping the 5's cause: an EPA rating of 21/31 mpg city/highway and an observed score of 20.0 mpg. Efficient dynamics, indeed. Alas, the 535i is a car you respect, not one you fall in love with. Our verdict, per Evans: "Competent, but in a somewhat cold, calculating fashion. I know I can drive it fast, but I don't walk away dreaming of driving it again."

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1ST PLACE: Lexus GS 350 F Sport
Maybe The Ultimate Driving Machine



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Remember that E60 535i I mentioned, the one we adored and awarded first place in a February 2010 comparison test? Well, this new Lexus GS 350 F Sport reminds us of that car. A lot. Nimble, balanced, precise, and quick, the GS is a (retired) BMW cloaked in Lexus steel. At 3834 pounds, the GS is the lightest of the four and it feels it -- turn-in is sharp and accurate, and weight transfer, whether lateral or longitudinal, is neutral and composed. The Lexus proved the most entertaining, rewarding, and confidence-inspiring up, down, and along our demanding Malibu road loop. Ultimate driving machine? Oh, yeah.


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Lieberman: "Great steering. Balanced, communicative, properly weighted. Just a joy to drive. Neutral without being leaden. Very Mazda-like, in fact. And I say all this having driven the car in Sport instead of Sport Plus." Evans: "This is a Lexus? Really impressed with the handling and confidence in the car. Holds the road much better than expected. Can really fling it at the corners." Martinez: "The Sport Plus algorithm allows for a proper testing of its grip thresholds, and on the loop's tight technical zigzags, it was just right. Only once did any traction control light flash, and, unlike the Infiniti, shifts were clean, fast, and when you wanted them. Also unlike the Infiniti: The Lexus felt way smaller than it was. Like, really smaller."
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In driving feel, the Lexus does exactly what you want it to do -- it shrinks around you. Yet, when it comes to pampering, it opens up, inviting you into the richest, most aesthetically pleasing cabin in its class. Lieberman: "Gorgeous interior. Love the metalwork, especially the volume and tune knobs. Feels like they're off my old Marantz Quadradial. Extremely solid and finely made." Martinez: "From the classy analog clock to the soft leather lining the seats, center console, and doors to the near-perfect sport steering wheel and massive and clear multimedia display, this Lexus oozes modern sophistication." Evans: "This is my favorite Lexus interior ever. So refined and stylish. Not boring and not overdone."



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Here are some numbers to consider: 0-60 in 5.4 seconds; the quarter mile in 14.0 at 101.0 mph; lateral acceleration of 0.94 g; figure eight of 25.4 seconds at 0.71 g; EPA fuel economy of 19/28; and observed mpg of 18.9. Not first, not last; just right in the sweet spot. Only 60-0 braking, at 110 feet, was behind the curve, but only by 4 feet versus the Audi and BMW. Then there's price. At $58,800 as tested, the GS F Sport, again, sits comfortably in the sweet spot.
OK, now for the whale in the room: the prehistoric fish face. "Predator," "Vader," and "abstract art piece" were some of the other terms thrown around. But as Lieberman summed up: "Please don't let the looks detract you from buying the Lexus GS, because it's without doubt the best car of these four."

So go ahead and trade in that old IS. This GS is a midlife crisis cure-all.





http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1206_six_cylinder_midsize_luxury_sedans/viewall.html#ixzz1rb65mX3O
 
Lol. I sat in the new GS, drove a new S4 and there is no way that Lexus beats the combination of that sc'ed V6 and the interior in the Audi. Typical American magazine review.
 
I just don't buy the Lexus winning over the 535. I saw the MotorTrend show on Velocity and they mentioned how the GS isn't sporty, even though that is how it's being marketed. It had significant roll during cornering, etc. I guess the show and magazine are done by completely different people or something?
 
What amaze me the most about Motortrend is how they keep recognizing they're jackasses and how much people complain about the bullshit they write, an example:
"Which means we're all morons and can't tell a steering wheel from a Frisbee. Trust us, we've heard all the rants before, and, despite what you may believe, we understand the anger, disbelief, and bewilderment."

What a bunch of losers
 
I just don't buy the Lexus winning over the 535. I saw the MotorTrend show on Velocity and they mentioned how the GS isn't sporty, even though that is how it's being marketed. It had significant roll during cornering, etc. I guess the show and magazine are done by completely different people or something?

That was without the F sport package. Much like the 535 had the M package, the GS350 has the F sport on it. Granted I have not driven the new GS, there is no publication that has criticized the F for "not being sporty enough" for a midsized luxury sedan.
 
What amaze me the most about Motortrend is how they keep recognizing they're jackasses and how much people complain about the bullshit they write, an example:
"Which means we're all morons and can't tell a steering wheel from a Frisbee. Trust us, we've heard all the rants before, and, despite what you may believe, we understand the anger, disbelief, and bewilderment."

What a bunch of losers
While they've had some BS verdicts before, I think you have to look at that passage in its entirety:
"Yeah, yeah, I know -- the Audi smokes the others in just about every performance measurement and is the least expensive, but somehow finishes third. Which means we're all morons and can't tell a steering wheel from a Frisbee. Trust us, we've heard all the rants before, and, despite what you may believe, we understand the anger, disbelief, and bewilderment. It just doesn't make sense, right? Let me explain."

That's a bit of sarcasm thrown into the faces of a subset of certain car enthusiasts who generally think the fastest, cheapest car should win. Not coincidentally, that's how some American cars have done so well in past Motor Trend test. While I do applaud their effort here to explain to bang-for-buck types that's there's more to evaluating the rankings of cars, it remains to be seen whether they can adhere to this in a consistent manner. And it's not like some of the comments about the A6 feeling detached haven't been reported before; that has been echoed in other media.

Very impressive finish for Lexus, and will be interesting how it fares in other tests.
 
Typically, Motor Trend has been harshly critical of Lexus and Toyota and place them at the bottom or near the bottom. It is not unlike Car and driver who placed the last GS 430 somewhere in the middle. The GS460h was placed dead last. The only exception in Motor Trend history for a Lexus I can recall was the LFA winning against the GTR back in 2010, which is largely irrelevant here.

As of a few weeks ago, Motor trend declared the 328 the winner by a landslide in the entry luxury car comparo against all other cars so how could they be biased against BMW?

Now for once, Motor Trend praised a Lexus and genuinely admired it's driving dynamics, this car must be good to have won the admiration of a publication that generally does not give favorable reviews for Lexus.

While they've had some BS verdicts before, I think you have to look at that passage in its entirety:
"Yeah, yeah, I know -- the Audi smokes the others in just about every performance measurement and is the least expensive, but somehow finishes third. Which means we're all morons and can't tell a steering wheel from a Frisbee. Trust us, we've heard all the rants before, and, despite what you may believe, we understand the anger, disbelief, and bewilderment. It just doesn't make sense, right? Let me explain."

That's a bit of sarcasm thrown into the faces of a subset of certain car enthusiasts who generally think the fastest, cheapest car should win. Not coincidentally, that's how some American cars have done so well in past Motor Trend test. While I do applaud their effort here to explain to bang-for-buck types that's there's more to evaluating the rankings of cars, it remains to be seen whether they can adhere to this in a consistent manner. And it's not like some of the comments about the A6 feeling detached haven't been reported before; that has been echoed in other media.

Very impressive finish for Lexus, and will be interesting how it fares in other tests.
 
Crazy how just a couple of years ago, you'd be hearing the same adjectives to describe the BMW and Lexus.... except they'd be reversed.
 
Impressive stuff from Lexus! If it was able to beat BMW, it must be beyond excellent. However, I'd still take 5er here, followed by Lexus. :t-cheers:

By the way, where is Merc?
 
That was without the F sport package. Much like the 535 had the M package, the GS350 has the F sport on it. Granted I have not driven the new GS, there is no publication that has criticized the F for "not being sporty enough" for a midsized luxury sedan.

That just seems like they either made the regular GS crappy on purpose, or the F had some amazing tuning done. The reason I say this is because the 5er is good as is, then it's better with the M package, while the GS is horrible without the F.

Also, on the other hand, in the write-up posted above, they sure do talk about the handling of the Infiniti conpared with the GS, while the 5er got the better write-up about the handling.

Example:
5er Quote: "Understeer shows up, but generally because you're pushing hard. A more gentle hand is rewarded with a high level of smoothness and a chassis that eats up transitions and corners."

GS Quote: "The Sport Plus algorithm allows for a proper testing of its grip thresholds, and on the loop's tight technical zigzags, it was just right. Only once did any traction control light flash, and, unlike the Infiniti, shifts were clean, fast, and when you wanted them. Also unlike the Infiniti: The Lexus felt way smaller than it was. Like, really smaller."

I mean really. The 5er stands on it's own, while in the GS is being compared to "Mazda-like" behavior and "Infiniti's" shifts? Seriously?
 
BMW wanted to make a 7er ShortestWB and they've done it. I remember Eni saying the "core business" still handle the best and they don't need a supercar the enhance sportiness. HAHAH Marketing...
 
I can see the only wrong thing with LEXUS............. It is in the wrong Forum. Otherwise, it is as good as BMW, AUDI and MB.
 
That just seems like they either made the regular GS crappy on purpose, or the F had some amazing tuning done. The reason I say this is because the 5er is good as is, then it's better with the M package, while the GS is horrible without the F.

Also, on the other hand, in the write-up posted above, they sure do talk about the handling of the Infiniti conpared with the GS, while the 5er got the better write-up about the handling.

Example:
5er Quote: "Understeer shows up, but generally because you're pushing hard. A more gentle hand is rewarded with a high level of smoothness and a chassis that eats up transitions and corners."

GS Quote: "The Sport Plus algorithm allows for a proper testing of its grip thresholds, and on the loop's tight technical zigzags, it was just right. Only once did any traction control light flash, and, unlike the Infiniti, shifts were clean, fast, and when you wanted them. Also unlike the Infiniti: The Lexus felt way smaller than it was. Like, really smaller."

I mean really. The 5er stands on it's own, while in the GS is being compared to "Mazda-like" behavior and "Infiniti's" shifts? Seriously?
But without a base GS vs base 5er test, you wouldn't know if the 5er is any better than the regular GS in the same test.
I wouldn't say the 5er got the better write-up for handling.
BMW: "The BMW is a rewarding car, in that you get a sense for its easy-to-explore limits, but it's also a frustrating car, because its feels so different from its beloved predecessor.
Immediately after turn-in, there comes a behavior that's very non-BMW: Plowing.
Competent, but in a somewhat cold, calculating fashion. I know I can drive it fast, but I don't walk away dreaming of driving it again."


Lexus: "Nimble, balanced, precise, and quick, the GS is a (retired) BMW cloaked in Lexus steel. At 3834 pounds, the GS is the lightest of the four and it feels it -- turn-in is sharp and accurate, and weight transfer, whether lateral or longitudinal, is neutral and composed. The Lexus proved the most entertaining, rewarding, and confidence-inspiring up, down, and along our demanding Malibu road loop.
Great steering. Balanced, communicative, properly weighted. Just a joy to drive. Neutral without being leaden."


It wouldn't be the first time the F10 (even in full blown M trim) had been criticized for a slight detached feeling. Even the earliest test drives reported this and noted multiple times on these forums. This test might even be more charitable than others, crediting the BMW's steering as "engaging." And it's not extraordinary in a road test to highlight how the best-rated car (the Lexus) did things much better than the worst-rated (Infiniti). This could be the wakeup call that Infiniti needs in the segment, where it has traditionally had its way with its direct Japanese rival.

By the way, where is Merc?
They're mentioned in the intro to the Infiniti M:
"Had we been able to get an E350 (Mercedes-Benz PR declined our invite, saying they'd prefer to participate when the refreshed E debuts sometime next year), it still would have finished ahead of the Infiniti. "
 
I guess the GS with F-Sport package is a great sedan :)
I need to first see other magazines testing M-Pack vs. F-Sport before making any conclusion :t-cheers:
 
I need to first see other magazines testing M-Pack vs. F-Sport before making any conclusion :t-cheers:

The Lexus will not win A SINGLE EUROPEAN test. Not a single, and you heard it first here.

LOL at the Lexus in Motor Trend. Mazda like and winning from a BMW. Sure sure sure :t-banghea
 
They're mentioned in the intro to the Infiniti M:
"Had we been able to get an E350 (Mercedes-Benz PR declined our invite, saying they'd prefer to participate when the refreshed E debuts sometime next year), it still would have finished ahead of the Infiniti. "

That's just beyond silly. As if they aren't able to get an E class themselves, without the help of MB of America. What a lousy magazine. Yuck.
 
If it were purely the stats these cars did then it would have been a walk in the park for the Audi so far ahead of the rest it was but obviously this wasn't the ultimate requirement. I know nothing of Motortrend so I will not comment on why each car ended up where it did.
 
Goes without any long explanations, this being a US review the Lexus wins.

What I do find a worthwhile comment and just as I experienced the A6 inside IRL. AND PLEASE, this bothers me rather that making BMW look good! Audi is setting the wrong example with the hard plastics between the seats and under dash - eye line. Say the next gen 5er has that plastics!? BMW will then argue: "If Audi got away with it so can we"....just try and understand my point here. The Big 3 German competitors HAS TO set the perceived and tactile quality standards.

Whereas the A6 tried really, really hard to feel like a $60,000 automobile, the BMW didn't even break a sweat.

Such comments, whatever it's referring to has to be directed at NON-German brands, Mr. Winterkorn / Rupert Stadler;)

5er all the way!
 

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