Motor Trend - Comparison: 2012 Lexus LFA vs 2010 Nissan GT-R


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What Do You Need to Determine the Street Value of a $375,000 Lexus LFA? A Dyno, Dragstrip and An $87,000 Nissan GT-R.

The phone rings. It's Bill from down the street, with an offer he thinks we can't refuse. While he's normally our local fix for luxurious, relaxing trips (that sometimes cause drowsiness), today he proffers something vastly different: all the speed we can handle for 12 hours. The catch is this deal needs to go down in the next three days. Miss that window and his special shipment gets loaded into a crate and flown back to the Far East. Think about it he says, and get back to me.

What is there to consider?

Bill, you see, reps Lexus and is offering a 552-horsepower dose of nose-candy-colored LFA. We're intrigued, but also irked at the short notice and implication that we're easy and desperate for such a rush. Like we'd just drop everything and clear our schedule for a taste of this $375,000 LFA.

We call him back and arrange to meet the early the next morning at an industrial park off the freeway in Riverside, California.

They say the first hit is free, but this one is going to cost us a bit of our soul. Lexus USA owns but one LFA, a jet-black model used for advertising and potential customer events. This white one is on loan from Japan at substantial cost to the company -- air freight alone is some $40,000. Its time is up and it needs to go back ASAP, hence the last-minute notice.

It is also a preproduction prototype -- a crusher in industry parlance. It has no VIN or license plate, and sits on non-DOT-approved tires, so we can't drive it on the street. When we're done with it, it gets shipped back to Japan where it will likely be reduced to a fine, expensive powder. To ensure we don't facilitate an earlier end on this side of the Pacific, two watchful handlers will accompany us while we have it.

So, just how are we supposed to assess the LFA's street value with such draconian measures in place? We have a few tricks up our sleeve, but first we need verify its potency. Off to the speed shop.

The R&D center at K&N Air Filters dynos hundreds of cars a year in order to establish baseline figures and track performance of its products. Last year, K&N cycled its dynos over 6,800 times -- so often, that the companies that supply and support the dynomometer equipment use K&N's shop as a test bed for future upgrades. Bert, Dave, Kirk, and the rest of the guys that run the joint have seen a lot of cars come through, but judging by their reaction when the Toyota racing-liveried 18-wheeler pulls up, they haven't seen anything like the LFA.

Just what does $375,000 buy? About 3562 pounds of the purest, highest quality speed Japan has ever produced. Lexus claims a top speed of 202 mph from the LFA's 4.8-liter, Formula-1-derived, 552-horsepower V-10. Any way you cut it -- $232.00 per kilo or 6.5 lbs/hp -- those are impressive numbers. Are they for real? That's what we're about to find out.

Before we can even begin to strap the LFA down, it has to go up on a lift. There is small matter of removing three separate belly plans so that safety strap hard points can be accessed. Lexus claims it didn't initially plan on racing the LFA, and for the first time, that seems abundantly clear. More than 70 rubber gasket Torx bolts keep the front and two rear belly trays firmly attached to the car, necessitating some 30 minutes of removal time (and another 40 minutes to put it all back together).

Though the LFA is rear drive, we strap it to K&N's all-wheel drive Superflow dynamometer. Why? Because we tested our long-term, 2010 Nissan GT-R on the exact same system a few months earlier. (But more on that later.) Expectations are high, and K&N's dyno squad has a ritual when special cars like this pull in. Everyone present picks a horsepower number and throws in a buck for a winner-take-all dyno lottery. Most of the guys don't know much about the LFA, except what they've seen and heard during the first exploratory pass. No wonder wheel horsepower estimates run from 450 at the low end to 545 (only seven hp off the official crank number); the LFA's wide open wail has the guys itching for the upcoming supercar super lotto.

, 294.5 pound-feet of torque. After SAE correction, LFA output drops to 430.3 horsepower and 283.1 pound-feet of torque. We net nothing higher on successive passes, so it looks like the under takes all.

Perhaps there is another winner lurking in the dyno chart. When stacked against our long-term GT-R (see chart at right), it's not immediately clear which comes out ahead. The Lexus exhibits a sexy, racecar-like power curve, with all of its ponies smoothly served up at the end of the rev band. Godzilla makes significantly less power, but peaks some 5000 rpm earlier, which should mean more tractable and trackable performance. We shall see. More important is how the GT-R out-twists the LFA by nearly 100 pound-feet. The Lexus may lack the pull, but it still impresses with a table flat torque curve, with 90% of max delivered before 4000 rpm. With these thoughts churning, we decide to pop the LFA in sixth to see if will hit over 200 mph as claimed. What, you wouldn't?

Dyno Dave has seen a lot in this little room, but even he's excited about this blast to nowhere. "We get a lot of big power hot rods in here -- like this Nova last week that made over 1400 horsepower to the wheels. I'm used to older cars that vibrate. You know you're going too fast because things start to rattle. This is thing is so smooth and fast," says Dave. "You can get into a lot of trouble with this."

He woods the throttle again and we're off with a languid sweep of the digital needle. Sixth gear is tall (0.795:1), so we don't rapidly blast into the hundreds; we just keep inexorably piling on speed in 2- to 3-mph increments. The wincing and breath-holding begins just past 150, where lesser performance cars start to hit their limits -- electronically imposed or otherwise. Here the LFA is just relentless. Sure, there is no wind resistance on the dyno, but that only makes the exhaust note from the triple pipes sound that much more unholy -- like the union of a jet engine and Ducati race bike. No production V-10 has ever sounded this good. The digits 180, 190, 200 flicker in the cluster and we see 207 on the speedo before Dave lifts.

As the rollers bleed off excess speed with a howl, the SuperFlow's computer burps out a correction that shows the V-10 spinning at 8764 rpm when LFA hits 200.3 mph. Our head spins nearly as fast as we screw the belly pan back on and boogie to our next venue: the test track.

(Lexus? Really?) in perspective, we truck over to nearby Autoclub Speedway in Fontana to join the rest of our crew -- and a very special guest. Since Bill never said we couldn't invite others to this bender, there to meet us is our favorite $87,000 yardstick -- our long term 2010 Nissan GT-R.

Subsequent testing proves the LFA to be dynamically superior to the GT-R in nearly every category. Any doubts that the Lexus is anything but a legitimate supercar are absolutely gutted on the test tarmac. Only supercars manage to brake from 60 in under 94 feet and pull 1.05 g on the skidpad. Sure, the GT-R retains bragging rights to 60 mph due to all wheel drive and shorter gearing, but to triple digits and beyond, it is all LFA. Then there is the way it handles our figure eight.

When provoked with blips of throttle mid-corner, the LFA's natural tendency is to snap its rear end out, but it's not what you'd call tail happy. As quickly as the tail can slip out, it also snaps back in with the barest lift of the throttle. Keep your right foot calm and there is tremendous grip and delicious neutrality in the way it enters and exits corners. The LFA feels far lighter and more balanced than the GT-R in every phase of driving; and with that V-10 singing, it's a rush like no other. The similarity both of these Japanese titans have is ease of use. You never think you're going that fast or cornering that hard -- until you look at your speedometer, lap time or competition in the rear view.

At no point was this made more clear than at the day's final stop: the dragstrip. There we lined up both supercars for one of our notorious throwdowns.


Full Story and Videos: 2012 Lexus LFA Dyno Test - Motor Trend


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Where have I seen this before?

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Oh yeah, here. :usa7uh:



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I'll take the Nissan GT-R. the styling is reminiscent of the past Skylines (R30-R34) which this car is the spiritual descendant of. I can't stand the design of the Lexus LF-A at all. It looks seriously nasty. If you ask me, the only impressive thing about the Lexus is the engine, performance and handling, but the design is just ugh...
 
While I love the LF-A, you can't beat the Bang-for-your-buck value of the GT-R. But, OMG, I do love EVERYTHING about the LF-A though, especially that engine note.
 
GT-R with out a second thought. In terms of looks the GT-R has it in the front and LFA in the rear. LFA interior looks way over done like a space age buffet table or something. GT-R is simple and straight to the point. It really comes down to the need of a V10 vs. V6. It's all up to the buyers...but considering I could get the GT-R and SLS for the price of the LFA....GT-R is easily the winner for me.
 
That Lexus LFA is just epic and the GT-R is similarly evocative. One represents fantastic bang-for-buck and the other an otherworldy driving experience. We've had this debate before and if money is a factor then obviously the GT-R is the hands-down choice. But when it comes to buyers with the wherewithal to actually put the money down on the LFA - this becomes so much less about the quantity of the cash and so much more about the quality of the dash. And I'm not talking about the interior ;) .

With all of the big eye-candy news coming out of Maranello over the last few weeks, I'd partially forgotten about the LFA. But this was a timely reminder of how special this car really is and how badly I'd love to drive one. In terms of the armchair dream stakes, an LFA drive completely overshadows the (massively up there on the wishlist in its own right) prospect of driving the GT-R.

Put it this way: If it was down to me getting either at the flip of a coin - the LFA being heads and the GT-R, tails - I'd get down on my kness and pray hard for world peace. And heads.
 
If money no problem then the LFA but would any of us seriously pick it over a McLaren or Ferrari 458?
 
At the price the LFA should be a lot faster than the GT-R,i wonder what a spec-V GT-R would do?

The sound of the Lexus is epic though.:D
 
A black LFA to help hide some of the creases in the exterior. But other than that, that car is simply gorgeous inside and out. Great performance!
 
Easy choce = GT-R.

First of all, the Lexus really is ugly!!!

And it doesnt matter what they put in that car, and how much its worth... I get a bigger boner of the GT-R. There is no car that beats this beast when it comes to value for the money!
 

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