Defender [Official] The All-new 2020 Land Rover Defender (L663)

[KiwiRob]

Well no one really cares what you think as it stands at 18-20 month waiting time for all variants right now.

There is your opinion and then there is reality.. 2 vastly different things.

Which they could eliminate by making more of them, very much like Rolex with the stainless steel versions of the Daytona, Submariner and GMT, the could easily make more but they drip feed the market.

 

[Serpens]

Which they could eliminate by making more of them, very much like Rolex with the stainless steel versions of the Daytona, Submariner and GMT, the could easily make more but they drip feed the market.

What exactly is your point?

 

[donkeykong]

I'm really digging it. Definite stand out for me at this year's IAA.

 

[klier]

What exactly is your point?

Proving insanity. Pay no attention.

"I can't afford it, so it's a failure. Gimme my plastic JLR toy"

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I'm surprised by the base price of this Landy. 35 k Pounds is roughly 40 k Euro and this is with the VAT. Really impressive.

It says "plus VAT", which means it DOESN'T include the VAT, which in the UK is 20%. So the starting price is £42,000. This seems cheap due to the weak Pound also.

 

[Merc1]

Which they could eliminate by making more of them, very much like Rolex with the stainless steel versions of the Daytona, Submariner and GMT, the could easily make more but they drip feed the market.

You really don’t understand the luxury market do you?

M

 

[WAND]

Is there any info about weight ?

 

[SCOTT27]

You can specify it to the level of cost of a Range Rover.

 

[martinbo]

Is there any info about weight ?

The base Defender 90 tips the scales at a 2155 kg.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Yeah, I am going to eat some crow. I am really digging this.

I want to see how durable this is. With all the tech, I am sure with increasing points of failure, Classic Defender will be more durable over its lifetime versus new-school Defender.

 

[martinbo]

Yeah, I am going to eat some crow. I am really digging this.

Agreed - I was overly cynical despite the fact that I still feel that the much of the characteristic DNA of the original Defender theme has been lost in the translation to the 21st century rendition.

This Defender is absolutely brilliant isn’t it. It ticks all the boxes, they’re making commercial versions, consumer versions, and I guess somewhere down the line there will be military versions, I’m betting it will kill off the Discovery. Who would want a Disco when the 110 is so much more vehicle.

I agree with you. What appeals to me is that it really does look like JLR have done the best they could with the means at their disposal. I like the fact that they've made a concerted effort to retain utilitarian attributes and practical considerations whilst delivering a product which has to be suitably modern, efficient and, most of all, as broadly appealing as possible. In this endeavour, I have to commend Land Rover for the outcome. Pity it doesn't look more like a Defender does, however.

Some specs:

RIDE HEIGHT
With roof antenna (Coil suspension / Air suspension)
1,974mm / 1,969mm

HEADROOM
Maximum front/rear headroom
with standard roof 1,030mm / 980mm
with panoramic roof 1,030mm / 946mm
with folding fabric roof 1,030mm / 946mm

LEGROOM
Maximum front legroom 993mm
Maximum rear legroom second row 929mm

LOADSPACE CAPACITY
Height 904mm, Width 1,183mm
Loadspace width between arches 1,124mm
Maximum loadspace volume
behind first row Dry* 1,263 litres, Wet* 1,563 litres
behind second row Dry* 297 litres, Wet* 397 litres

OBSTACLE CLEARANCE
Off-road (Coil suspension / Air suspension) 225mm / 291mm
Standard (Coil suspension / Air suspension) 225mm / 216mm

TURNING CIRCLE
Kerb-to-kerb 11.3m
Wall-to-wall 12.0m
Turns lock-to-lock 2.7

WADING DEPTH
Maximum wading depth
Air suspension 900mm
Coil suspension 850mm

Ground clearance on coils springs at 225mm is very good for non-height adjustable suspension.

If you're interested in this vehicle, suggest you download the e-brochure - there's a Defender for seemingly everyone.

I hope this thing sells like hot cakes - a world without Land Rover would be poorer for it.

Bravo Land Rover, bravo.

 

[Centurion]

I can imagine this car must have a huge options list for all the customization items.

Like for the predeccessor, there will be a wealth of aftermarket customisation by Khan, Urban, Overfinch, Chelsea Truck co etc.

The colour and upholstery options in the configurator are just step 1. We will see some smashing specs on the road.

 

[KiwiRob]

You really don’t understand the luxury market do you?

M

Just because it has a high price and articically limited production doesn't make it a luxury product.

I've been driven around in a new G in St Petersburg, nice interior horrible ride, I wouldn't pay for the "privilege" of owning one even if I could afford it.

 

[KiwiRob]

Like for the predeccessor, there will be a wealth of aftermarket customisation by Khan, Urban, Overfinch, Chelsea Truck co etc.

The colour and upholstery options in the configurator are just step 1. We will see some smashing specs on the road.

Just as an FYI Chelsea Truck Co are a brand owned by Afzal Kahn, his other brands are Project Kahn, Flying Huntsman and the Vengeance.

Twisted is probably my favourite purveyor of modified Defenders.

 

[Centurion]

I agree with you. What appeals to me is that it really does look like JLR have done the best they could with the means at their disposal. I like the fact that they've made a concerted effort to retain utilitarian attributes and practical considerations whilst a product which has to be suitably modern, efficient and, most of all, as broadly appealing as possible. In this endeavour, I have to commend Land Rover for the outcome. Pity it doesn't look more like a Defender does, however.

Ain't that a suprise. From digust to delight. The equivalent of @klier making getting around to liking the Mercedes EQC.

 

[Centurion]

Just as an FYI Chelsea Truck Co are a brand owned by Afzal Kahn, his other brands are Project Kahn, Flying Huntsman and the Vengeance.

Twisted is probably my favourite purveyor of modified Defenders.

Gerry McGovern would shrug if he read this thread as his aim is for SVO to put all of these aftermarket brands out of business. He's a brilliant car designer and brand builder but is occassionally a bit arrogant.

 

[KiwiRob]

Gerry McGovern would shrug if he read this thread as his aim is for SVO to put all of these aftermarket brands out of business. He's a brilliant car designer and brand builder but is occassionally a bit arrogant.

He can try but they're not going anywhere.

That said I would love to own the XJ6 SVO built for Nicko McBrain.

 

[WAND]

The base Defender 90 tips the scales at a 2155 kg.

Wow, that's not a small weight.
Don't know predecessor weight, but they said it should be ( a lot ) lighter.

 

[martinbo]

Wow, that's not a small weight.
Don't know predecessor weight, but they said it should be ( a lot ) lighter.

Ja, agree - it's heavy for a 3 door, about 250 kg heavier than the last equivalent Defender.

 

[Rolf]

The base Defender 90 tips the scales at a 2155 kg.

Wow surprised its this heavy. Imagine how much the 130 will weigh, maybe 2500kg.

Some performance figures and fuel consumption details.

technical data Land Rover Defender 2020
P300 P400e P400e PHEV D200 D240
fuel petrol petrol petrol diesel diesel
Performance (in hp) 300 400 400 200 240
Torque (in Nm) 550 430 430
electric mode No No Yes No No
recuperation No Yes Yes No No
Acceleration 0-100 km / h (in s) 8.1 6.1 10.3 9.1
Consumption combined on 100 km (in l) 9.8 9.6 7.6 7.6
transmission 8-speed automatic 8-speed automatic 8-speed automatic 8-speed automatic 8-speed automatic