911 (992) Porsche 992 ST

[Sunny]

Shorter gearing is the most exciting aspect of this car IMO. Hopefully Porsche brings this to models.

They will save it for these unobtanium specials. Have to justify the ~2x price!

 

[Centurion]

They will save it for these unobtanium specials. Have to justify the ~2x price!

Exactly. Exclusivity in the name of the game and customers are willing to pay 1-3x for it. This is regardless of whether exclusivity is genuine e.g unique body work, hardware or whether it’s an illusion through part-spin pick and mix.

Although the weight is impressive, this won’t be the lightest modern 911 ever. Porsche will likely take weight reduction further in 2-3 years. Remember the 911R? Everyone thought it was god’s gift - the holy grail of 911s. Only not soon after did Porsche debut a 911 Touring.

Either way, the weight is something to celebrate. 1,380kg is close to the lightest sports car you can buy if you don’t want an Alpine or a crazy expensive hypercar. The driving experience will likely be magical.

 

[Tourbillon]

I couldn't find the bloody official one. And here it is!

I think you should cover Monterey Car Week all by yourself! I don't think we've got choice anyway!

 

[Jonathan19]

I think you should cover Monterey Car Week all by yourself!

Without you? Impossible!

 

[LaArtist]

Excuisite

 

[mihc]

To me 911 S/T and Carrera GT are ultimate Porsche perfection...

 

[Jonathan19]

To me 911 S/T and Carrera GT are ultimate Porsche perfection...

Agree!

 

[Centurion]

Visually the 911ST is anti-excess. It’s the lightest 992 but not obviously so. No exterior carbon fibre, aero holes in body work or huge rear wing.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Looks good and is for sure a good car. But GT3 Touring aprox the same for much less money.

 

[Sunny]

Looks good and is for sure a good car. But GT3 Touring aprox the same for much less money.

But the unfortunate truth is - ST will make you more money, Touring will make you less.

 

[Centurion]

I would not be surprised if the 992.2 GT3 and GT3RS feature of a few hardware updates that are avaiable on the ST.

 

[martinbo]

Before reading up on it properly, I was preparing to pull into this thread with some cynical and snarky comments - much along the lines of what I said about the turbo Sport Classic, which I think is a bad joke.

It would be wrong to do that here, though, as this a completely different prospect. This is genuinely special. Much more so than even 911 R in my opinion. Love that it gets the GT3 RS’ front wings, doors and wheel arches. That bone line extending into the door panel is more impactful and leaves one in no doubt - this isn’t just a GT3 Touring with a limited edition paint job.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Before reading up on it properly, I was preparing to pull into this thread with some cynical and snarky comments - much along the lines of what I said about the turbo Sport Classic, which I think is a bad joke.

It would be wrong to do that here, though, as this a completely different prospect. This is genuinely special. Much more so than even 911 R in my opinion. Love that it gets the GT3 RS’ front wings, doors and wheel arches. That bone line extending into the door panel is more impactful and leaves one in no doubt - this isn’t just a GT3 Touring with a limited edition paint job.

Didnt 911R values drop and owners get pissed once porsche released the 911 Gt3 Touring.

 

[martinbo]

Didnt 911R values drop and owners get pissed once porsche released the 911 Gt3 Touring.

As I understand it, that's exactly what happened. There was this undercurrent in the 911 R buyers' base around how special was it really.
The thing with collectible 911s is that even if they don't necessarily appreciate in their early years, it's their stories which, many years later, make them interesting to collectors.

 

[Sunny]

Didnt 911R values drop and owners get pissed once porsche released the 911 Gt3 Touring.

The early crazy bubble was also cause 911R was the only GT 911 with a manual at that time. 991.2 changed that and the bubble burst. The introduction of the Touring was one more nail. But the 991R prices have crept back again but at a much more reasonable rate.

Side story - when the 991.2 touring was introduced, one of the ways 911R maintained it's exclusivity was the optional single mass flywheel, which was not offered on 991.2 GT3. The official (AP's) line was the crankshaft in the new 991.2 G3 engine could not handle the vibrations from a single mass flywheel or something like that. And now here we are with single mass flywheel on the same engine on the ST. Go figure.

Aside to the side story - 911Rs' with single mass flywheel now have a healthy premium over those that have the dual mass one.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Exactly. Exclusivity in the name of the game and customers are willing to pay 1-3x for it. This is regardless of whether exclusivity is genuine e.g unique body work, hardware or whether it’s an illusion through part-spin pick and mix.

Although the weight is impressive, this won’t be the lightest modern 911 ever. Porsche will likely take weight reduction further in 2-3 years. Remember the 911R? Everyone thought it was god’s gift - the holy grail of 911s. Only not soon after did Porsche debut a 911 Touring.

Either way, the weight is something to celebrate. 1,380kg is close to the lightest sports car you can buy if you don’t want an Alpine or a crazy expensive hypercar. The driving experience will likely be magical.

Lets not forget the Ferrari 296 and mclaren artura arent much heavier, and with the additional tech they carry, is more impressive imo

 

[Fastpaddy]

The early crazy bubble was also cause 911R was the only GT 911 with a manual at that time. 991.2 changed that and the bubble burst. The introduction of the Touring was one more nail. But the 991R prices have crept back again but at a much more reasonable rate.

Side story - when the 991.2 touring was introduced, one of the ways 911R maintained it's exclusivity was the optional single mass flywheel, which was not offered on 991.2 GT3. The official (AP's) line was the crankshaft in the new 991.2 G3 engine could not handle the vibrations from a single mass flywheel or something like that. And now here we are with single mass flywheel on the same engine on the ST. Go figure.

Aside to the side story - 911Rs' with single mass flywheel now have a healthy premium over those that have the dual mass one.

I did the whole SMF on my 700hp TTRS, and whilst it was phenomenal in performance and the way the engine would pick up the revs like a superbike, the downsides of it was additonal drivetrain and engine shatter, and with a 5 cylinder already being more imbalanced, it would kill gearboxes and some poor souls also broke crankshafts.

I went back to a DMF after my second gearbox.


Im curious to know if porsche have managed to do it without any of those drawbacks, and I will assume they have, as afterall mine was just a aftermarket solution.

But then at the same time manufacturers seeking maximum performance usually spec DMF for road cars for a reason.

 

[Sunny]

Im curious to know if porsche have managed to do it without any of those drawbacks, and I will assume they have, as afterall mine was just a aftermarket solution.

Porsche has not been with out issues caused by SMF. I am not aware of any issues with SMF in 991R, but 997.2GT3 RS which also have SMF had issues with it. The harmonics due to SMF would cause a screw to backout and be ingested by the engine and boom. Quite a few 997.2 RS, including 4.0 had to have engines replaced cause of this. The 997.2 GT3 with dual mass flywheel did not have this issue.

 

[SCOTT27]

I couldn't find the bloody official one. And here it is!

I think you should cover Monterey Car Week all by yourself! I don't think we've got choice anyway!

Seems Porsche took their photography at the Deutsche Schule in Madrid,Spain. Same location as the BMW i7. Those lucky students seeing this in their play yard.

 

[Jonathan19]

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