Megane Renault Megane RS Trophy's ring time beats BMW 1-Series M Coupe's

[Sunny]

Why a car that is one class or two above another has to perform better on the track and do better lap times?. Generally a smaller car will perform better. I mean, 1M>M3>M5 regarding track performance. Or at least this is how it should be. Why has the new C63 Coupe perform better than this Megane?. We should compare the Laguna Coupe to the C Coupe.

The 1er does compete with the Megane, even being a bit more upmarket. So, if it beats the 1M even being a preliminar result it´s a more fair result than if it beats the S63 AMG or the M5.

I think you think you completely missed my point, so I will just let it be than labour over it. But I will just point out you are wrong about 1M > M3 > M5 around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. Both M3 and M5 are faster than 1M, especially M3, buy quite a margin. And believe me if the Renault was faster than M3 that is what the headline would have been, not 1M, segment and class be damned.

Thats what you get for calling yourself the Ultimate Driving Machine..and being so track oriented..
You become a benchmark for better or worse..
In Mercedes case its shining points are quality and comfort..remember when the quality went down..the headlines said (enter crap brand) has better quality than the S Class.. even though it might have had better quality than the 7er to..
Same thing if a lexus has better comfort than everything they will compare it to a benz not a bimmer..

Nothing to worry about..more flattering to be honest

Yea you are right except BMW was never really track oriented. Driver oriented? Yes. Track? Not really, except for a few rare specials like E30 M3, CSL, GTS. But besides that, I do get your larger point. Which is also the sad part, cause that is exactly why a Mercdes doesn't do any thing for me. I think modern cars are more than comfortable enough, and if anything too comfortable. And I don't believe there is a massive difference in quality between the Germans (and even the rest from same class) either. If you get a lemon or not is largely down to your individual luck. So all that really differentiates the cars imo is how much fun one can have in one (with pants on).

 

[Mr Robert]

Yeah, a BMW in a segment = the reference. Well, I'm a bit surpirzed in the attention given to marketing stunts like this. The Megane is a great car but these figures mean squat until proven.

I'm with Sunny on this, had it "beaten" the M3, then that would have been the headline.

 

[LaArtist]

I think you think you completely missed my point, so I will just let it be than labour over it. But I will just point out you are wrong about 1M > M3 > M5 around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. Both M3 and M5 are faster than 1M, especially M3, buy quite a margin. And believe me if the Renault was faster than M3 that is what the headline would have been, not 1M, segment and class be damned.



Yea you are right except BMW was never really track oriented. Driver oriented? Yes. Track? Not really, except for a few rare specials like E30 M3, CSL, GTS. But besides that, I do get your larger point. Which is also the sad part, cause that is exactly why a Mercdes doesn't do any thing for me. I think modern cars are more than comfortable enough, and if anything too comfortable. And I don't believe there is a massive difference in quality between the Germans (and even the rest from same class) either. If you get a lemon or not is largely down to your individual luck. So all that really differentiates the cars imo is how much fun one can have in one (with pants on).

Its a very special thing that MB effortless ness and comfort and ergonomics.. its hard to explain..you feel at rest..
I think they even did some test where they realised that in a S class your heart rate is X% lower than driving in other cars..
Now if you want higher heart rate.. MB got that to..AMG..kicks its tail out and puts a smile on your face..
But overall i get your point...if comfort and quality is of lesser importance to you then a MB might not be that attractive..

PS
These are enormous generalizations by us right now though..as a MB and the way it drives may not be on BMW level but it sure as hell is classes above most of the car industry..
And with such a broad portfolio as these brands have you can find crazy MB´s like the SLS and Calm collected BMW´s like the 7series

 

[SKY]

I think you think you completely missed my point, so I will just let it be than labour over it. But I will just point out you are wrong about 1M > M3 > M5 around a high speed track like the Nurburgring. Both M3 and M5 are faster than 1M, especially M3, buy quite a margin. And believe me if the Renault was faster than M3 that is what the headline would have been, not 1M, segment and class be damned.

Well, I think you know much more than me about those things, so, if I´ve said something that is completly pff correct me, no problem

 

[martinbo]

I don't care much for those early reviews that panned the C63 for being brutal, over-endowed and lacking in precision and what not else. It's rubbish. Drive one and you'll be amazed at how good it actually is; an incredible combination of engagement and effortlessness. It might not churn out the greatest track times but in the real world, on the roads it's intended to be driven on it's mucking fagnificent. The C63 has a more general range of performance motoring appeal for the man-on-the-street in my opinion.

BMW's smaller M Cars do seem to require a higher workload from the driver. To most this may be a chore, to the remainder - involvement. It's as a result of this more focussed nature / character that BMW's M cars are more often than not used as a frame of reference. Renault's hot hatches have always delivered impressive driver appeal and dynamic performance before either suffering terminal mechanical failure or imploding under the weight of severe depreciation. (I joke, I joke!) This result from a highly focused hot hatch doesn't suprise me altogether although a part of me is very sceptical that day-for-day, driver-for-driver the 1M wouldn't come out on top at the 'Ring.

 

[klier]

What I want to know is why does the headline say "Renault Megane RS Trophy's ring time beats BMW 1-Series M Coupe", why not beats C63 which is more powerful and expensive... oh wait, the little Renault is also faster than SLK55 BS, E63, SL65... bah, too long, never mind. How about faster than RS3 or TTRS or Cayman S. Or is 1M already the standard?

Perfect! I love you Sunny. Always and always the right answer.

It's the BMW HATE bro. It's well alive here on this forum.

I don't care much for those early reviews that panned the C63 for being brutal, over-endowed and lacking in precision and what not else. It's rubbish. Drive one and you'll be amazed at how good it actually is; an incredible combination of engagement and effortlessness.

Yeah yeah. But compared with what? Compared with a 5er GT or M3??? I'd say 5er GT. Compared to M3 a C63 is lacking in pretty much everything.
Jeremy can't even crush an apple on a track with C63

 

[martinbo]

Compared to M3 a C63 is lacking in pretty much everything.

I sincerely hope you're just being klier and not properly serious.

On another note altogether... why is this in the BMW 1er Forum? The fact that the RS' time is better than the 1M is an arbitrary circumstance. It's like posting "MP4-12C weighs less than Aventador" in the Lamborghini section.

 

[klier]

Firstly, I wholeheartedly agree with your second note. But you're the mod here that can put this in internal Combustion where it belongs. Or the Garbage Bin of course.
Secondly, I am always just klier here, but I was halfway serious too. C63 drives nothing like an M3. It's still a Merc without much steering feeling. Granted I've had like 2 hours max in C63 together. And though I liked it a lot (duh!), it's no M3 by any means.

 

[martinbo]

News flash my good ol' internet buddy: C63 AMG has better steering feel than M3 and nearly as good throttle adjustability. Yes, C63 drives nothing like an M3 - this is true. But that doesn't mean it isn't as good to drive as an M3.

Bad moderator!!! I've gone and taken things waaay off topic in this mad, pointless thread.

 

[LaArtist]

Firstly, I wholeheartedly agree with your second note. But you're the mod here that can put this in internal Combustion where it belongs. Or the Garbage Bin of course.
Secondly, I am always just klier here, but I was halfway serious too. C63 drives nothing like an M3. It's still a Merc without much steering feeling. Granted I've had like 2 hours max in C63 together. And though I liked it a lot (duh!), it's no M3 by any means.

I actually read many mags who said the C63 has better steering..
And ofcourse it doesent drive like the M3..its not the M3..it doesent want to be the M3..

 

[Mr Robert]

This thread is about the Megane RS Trophy. We could try and keep it that way...

I don't know what the thread is doing in the 1-series section, other than confirming that the 1M is the reference of the segment.

 

[Human]

This thread is about the Megane RS Trophy. We could try and keep it that way...

I don't know what the thread is doing in the 1-series section, other than confirming that the 1M is the reference of the segment.

Yip, unfortunately this is a reoccurring problem where the relevance to the topic of the posted thread gets lost in emotion, translation, brand preferences and differences etc.

I decided to start this in the 1-Series section because this is first and foremost a German Car Forum and IMO (please do correct me if I am wrong) the test involves a German car of origin vs French car of origin, so posted with German 1st in mind. I do however recognize the fact that the
thread mainly revolves around the Megane RS Trophy, Doc.

 

[Giannis]

I'll move this thread into the Renault section, now. A bit later today, I'll try to clean it a bit and add any technical info I can find about the Megane 265 Trophy, for us technical details freaks

 

[Kowalski]

Well done Renault, well done.

 

[Soup]

 

[Mr Robert]

*yawn*

 

[Giannis]

Amazing car! I would love to have one!

 

[bum-man]

Dang! Who would have thought a little Renault would have overthrown one of BMW's best. To bad about the looks though. Now make a new mid-engined Clio pleeeaassse.

 

[Mr Robert]

It is very clear that, here, BMW is the brand to beat and it doesn't really matter how, just as long as the Bayerische can get a beating.

Good going for Renault, I really hope the splendid results stand when tested in comparisons - I think it is possible, I just don't trust this type of marketing.

Yip, unfortunately this is a reoccurring problem where the relevance to the topic of the posted thread gets lost in emotion, translation, brand preferences and differences etc.

Nothing got lost here, you put the topic there and there has been no deviation. Problem is, the headline is quite irrelevant. What was presented had nothing to do with the 1-series (as there is no comparable time, yet) and nothing to do with BMW. A proper headline would have been "Renault Mégane RS Trophy beats Megane R26.R's record lap" - that way we could have had a good discussion regarding the car of the hour and maybe more than half of the posts in the thread could have been relevant.