4 Series [Rumors] BMW i4 and 4 Series Gran Coupé

[Sunny]

And yet they keep insisting this is what we should be buying.

Just came back from visiting southern Spain in a G30 520d. What an engine!

Out of curiosity - who is this "they" insisting you should buy an i4?

4er GC is too tubby. BTW, did I mention that I drove the i4 M50? Straight line acceleration is very impressive. Mass in fast corners is very scary. Makes my 320d feel like an Elise.

i4 M50 - 5000lbs, 320d - 3300lbs, so that is actually a dry elise worth of difference. :/

 

[SKY]

Out of curiosity - who is this "they" insisting you should buy an i4?

All regulators, mainly.

 

[martinbo]

i4 M50 - 5000lbs, 320d - 3300lbs, so that is actually a dry elise worth of difference. :/

It was, of course, hyperbole but what a fun coincidence.

 

[Sunny]

All regulators, mainly.

I am pretty sure no regulator is asking you to specifically buy an i4, right? EVs sure. And yes EVs are heavier but not anywhere close to as much as an i4. A RWD Model 3 is ~3600 lbs. And AWD one ~4000lbs.

You are attributing BMW's incompetence/unwillingness to make a decent EV as something intrinsic to EVs. It is not. That is like insisting on buying a Nokia smartphone cause you enjoyed their legacy phones and then saying smartphones suck.

It was, of course, hyperbole but what a fun coincidence.

Have to wonder what kind of compromises one has to do to make the same fundamental chassis support such extreme differences in weight.

 

[SKY]

I am pretty sure no regulator is asking you to specifically buy an i4, right? EVs sure. And yes EVs are heavier but not anywhere close to as much as an i4. A RWD Model 3 is ~3600 lbs. And AWD one ~4000lbs.

You are attributing BMW's incompetence/unwillingness to make a decent EV as something intrinsic to EVs. It is not. That is like insisting on buying a Nokia smartphone cause you enjoyed their legacy phones and then saying smartphones suck.

Man you are full of surprises. Bringing Tesla up in a BMW thread... I surely was not expecting it. But nope, I could not have done the trip I have with a Model 3 whatever. c.700km, down, another c.700km up back home... And the best part of it, stopping to refuel, doing it in 5 minutes and keep going.

I did all this on a car that is perfectly valid for what almost everyone in my country needs. Yet, the regulation insist that the way to go is different. The same clever minds that prefer a PV plant than nuclear energy.

But hey, what do I know.

 

[Sunny]

Man you are full of surprises. Bringing Tesla up in a BMW thread... I surely was not expecting it. But nope, I could not have done the trip I have with a Model 3 whatever. c.700km, down, another c.700km up back home... And the best part of it, stopping to refuel, doing it in 5 minutes and keep going.

I did all this on a car that is perfectly valid for what almost everyone in my country needs. Yet, the regulation insist that the way to go is different. The same clever minds that prefer a PV plant than nuclear energy.

But hey, what do I know.

Ah, my bad. I must have missed the don't mention Tesla in a BMW thread memo. But yea I hear burying one's head in the sand is always a sound strategy.

As for the rest, I don't how we got there, but I think you are way overreacting. You responded to Martin's post about the i4's weight with post about how regulators are insisting you buy them. I thought your issue was with EV's weight, and just clarified EVs are all not necessarily that heavy. As simple as that. I am not asking you to change anything.

 

[SKY]

Ah, my bad. I must have missed the don't mention Tesla in a BMW thread memo. But yea I hear burying one's head in the sand is always a sound strategy.

As for the rest, I don't how we got there, but I think you are way overreacting. You responded to Martin's post about the i4's weight with post about how regulators are insisting you buy them. I thought your issue was with EV's weight, and just clarified EVs are all not necessarily that heavy. As simple as that. I am not asking you to change anything.

I think it was clear. Someone here compares an EV to an ICE car and it becomes clear how we are still years away from the EV being competitive enough. And this happens at the same time regulation is pushing drivers to ditch the engine that suits the 4er best, which is probably the 2.0d.

 

[Sunny]

Someone here compares an EV to an ICE car and it becomes clear how we are still years away from the EV being competitive enough....

But that someone was comparing a very uncompetitive and compromised EV that is build on an ICE platform. And you are using that to make sweeping generalizations about all EVs. I hope you can see the flaw in that. That is all I was pointing out, before you went all defensive.

 

[martinbo]

Have to wonder what kind of compromises one has to do to make the same fundamental chassis support such extreme differences in weight.

The car is owned by a close friend and I drove a round trip of about 70km on freeway and suburban roads. It’s an incredibly refined vehicle and NVH is superior to my car where the standout is not in the most obvious area - the powertrain. Tyre noise at all speeds is significantly lower and I presume - but don’t know for a fact - that BMW intentionally insulated further to maximise the sense of serenity.

Ride is excellent; I can’t help but sense (but don’t actually know!) that the suspension - especially the damping - is more expensive in the electric variant. Handling at legal speeds up to 8/10ths is excellent and so, for the average motorist, dynamically uncompromised. In fact, for the new generation, the ooohs and aaahs elicited by that emphatic acceleration will convince most of its sportiness.

So, compromised as a result of the weight for guys like you and me? Definitely. But for everyone else? Hardly, if at all.

c.700km, down, another c.700km up back home... And the best part of it, stopping to refuel, doing it in 5 minutes and keep going.

It’s one of the most unsung of motoring experiences - the long-range, fuel-sipping touring ability of a modern turbo diesel. Effortless with high average cruising speeds, ample overtaking punch and such satisfying economy.

I think it was clear. Someone here compares an EV to an ICE car and it becomes clear how we are still years away from the EV being competitive enough. And this happens at the same time regulation is pushing drivers to ditch the engine that suits the 4er best, which is probably the 2.0d.

It also saddens me that - especially in Europe - such a competent and satisfying powertrain is viewed as a public enemy and a socially irresponsible choice.

But that someone was comparing a very uncompetitive and compromised EV that is build on an ICE platform. And you are using that to make sweeping generalizations about all EVs. I hope you can see the flaw in that. That is all I was pointing out, before you went all defensive.

Not wanting to turn this into a BMW vs Tesla thing, especially since we don’t get Teslas in SA (how ironic) but I honestly don’t think the BMW being on a mixed-use platform is as much of a compromise. My friend charges at home and at work and his ownership experience is no more compromised than if he had a Tesla. If anything, the BMW’s cabin is a far nicer place to get to and from work in.

 

[Sunny]

Not wanting to turn this into a BMW vs Tesla thing, especially since we don’t get Teslas in SA (how ironic) but I honestly don’t think the BMW being on a mixed-use platform is as much of a compromise. My friend charges at home and at work and his ownership experience is no more compromised than if he had a Tesla. If anything, the BMW’s cabin is a far nicer place to get to and from work in.

I am sure it is a nice ride (I haven't been in a i4 yet, but been in an iX and that sure was nice experience). As for compromise, I was referring to the weight.

 

[klugscheisser87]

Autobild render. Ugly betty will remain ugly.

I really hoped they will remove the “diamond” cheapness from the grille and redesign it a little bit to give it at least some shape. Spy pics show it’s untouched.

 

[dalab]

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[dalab]

Those prices...it's still a Hyundai!...

BMW i4 eDrive35 - Hyundai Ioniq 6 77.4kWh AWD

Conclusion
The new Hyundai Ioniq 6 attracts attention, it has very original sides, including factory camera rear-view mirrors. But we only rate these special aspects of a model in part. If we add the qualities and do the math, the BMW i4 is the best option.

BMW i4 eDrive35 vs. Hyundai Ioniq 6: Elektrolimousinen im Test - AUTO BILD

Mit Schwung entern E-Limousinen den Markt. Der Ioniq 6 ist ein feines Beispiel. Der BMW i4 ein passender Gegner. Wer setzt sich im Test an die Spitze?

www.autobild.de

 

[azeez samara]

Those prices...it's still a Hyundai!...

BMW i4 eDrive35 - Hyundai Ioniq 6 77.4kWh AWD

Conclusion
The new Hyundai Ioniq 6 attracts attention, it has very original sides, including factory camera rear-view mirrors. But we only rate these special aspects of a model in part. If we add the qualities and do the math, the BMW i4 is the best option.

BMW i4 eDrive35 vs. Hyundai Ioniq 6: Elektrolimousinen im Test - AUTO BILD

Mit Schwung entern E-Limousinen den Markt. Der Ioniq 6 ist ein feines Beispiel. Der BMW i4 ein passender Gegner. Wer setzt sich im Test an die Spitze?

www.autobild.de

That hyundai is ugly as hell

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

That hyundai is ugly as hell

You beat me to this. Obviously they are using some exBMW designers.

 

[azeez samara]

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You beat me to this. Obviously they are using some exBMW designers.

But in general their latest models are very good looking but I don't know who approved this shitty looking beetle

 

[Tourbillon]

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What record?

 

[dalab]

What record?

The one for an EV for that classic Australian hill climb

 

[Tourbillon]

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[Jonathan19]

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I like more and more this I4.