Other The downing of flight MH17

[David Brent]

But such revelations do pose a question. He isn't responsible for determining safe routes, closing off airspace or ensuring safe separation from combat flights....

Control up to 65 aircraft per hour in one of the busiest and most complexed airspace in the world.



What I DON'T do is control the airspace over Ukraine.

 

[David Brent]

The fact is that it ultimately isn't the government's responsibility to determine is travel is safe as regards coronavirus either. Ultimately there is law and good sense

Are you kidding? Who do you think make laws?!!! It's the government you idiot! And it's currently against the law to travel abroad unless for certain LEGALLY PERMITTED REASONS!

COVID-19 travel
Under current UK COVID-19 restrictions, you must stay at home. You must not travel, including abroad, unless you have a legally permitted reason to do so. It is illegal to travel abroad for holidays and other leisure purposes. Check the rules that apply to you in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.


Here's the link to the ACTUAL UK Government website.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-advice-novel-coronavirus

It's up to someone else to close an airspace off but not to close a country off from holidays isn't it? Up to airlines to decide if a route is safe but not travel agents to determine if a country is safe.

I don't understand your point with regards travel agents, but you seem to be saying it's up to travel agents to determine whether a country is safe? If that IS what you're saying then it's not true at all. The FCO (Foreign & Commonwealth Office) determine risk levels for visiting certain countries. A travel agent can tell you what the FCO advise, or point you to the website of the FCO, but it's not travel agents who assess the safety of individual countries.

It's the same with regards civil air traffic control. We're not military intelligence. We're not specialists in security. ICAO and governments, with help from the military, decide whether airspace should be open or not. This has nothing to do with civil air traffic controllers, and they have nothing to do with the decision making process. Airlines speak to agencies who specialise in security and briefing services on the risk levels and make decisions based on the information they're provided with, and should they deem it acceptable to fly over a country, they file their preferred flight plan through the airspace. Air Traffic control ensure that flight keeps the required minimum separation from other aircraft under their control as it flies through the airspace. I've provided links and screen shots that demonstrate how it is.


What is it about this you find so difficult to understand?

 

[WBarnes]

Are you kidding? Who do you think make laws?!!! It's the government you idiot! And it's currently against the law to travel abroad unless for certain LEGALLY PERMITTED REASONS!

COVID-19 travel
Under current UK COVID-19 restrictions, you must stay at home. You must not travel, including abroad, unless you have a legally permitted reason to do so. It is illegal to travel abroad for holidays and other leisure purposes. Check the rules that apply to you in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Air Traffic control ensure that flight keeps the required minimum separation from other aircraft under their control as it flies through the airspace. I've provided links and screen shots that demonstrate how it is.

I said ultimately it isn't up to the government. Even if travel isn't restricted, people can still decide not to go and travel agents can decide not to send them, the host nation can also decide not to have them.

What's the minimum separation for airliners from attack jets that are being targeted by SAMs? Because to me 5000-6000ft (1 mile ish) seems risky given the typical combat Pk of SAMs.

Control up to 65 aircraft per hour in one of the busiest and most complexed airspace in the world.



What I DON'T do is control the airspace over Ukraine.

So basically you're a glorified lollipop lady.

 

[David Brent]

So basically you're a glorified lollipop lady.

My latest salary slip would say otherwise.

 

[J.E]

Since we're talking about the worst year for Malaysia Airlines, then I think it's too bad that MH370 will never be found.

One thing is certain, though: Captain Zaharie committed murder-suicide; that's pretty obvious.

 

[chonkoa]

Since we're talking about the worst year for Malaysia Airlines, then I think it's too bad that MH370 will never be found.

One thing is certain, though: Captain Zaharie committed murder-suicide; that's pretty obvious.

I know. Malaysia is one of those countries that have a special place in my heart. I lived there for 2.5 years and truly loved the place and the people. I love the region.

 

[MrRapp]

I presume that this discussion would not be held with such agressiveness if both main actors had seen the infinite line of hearses on the roads bringing back the remains of all the victims to their loved ones.

 

[David Brent]

I presume that this discussion would not be held with such agressiveness if both main actors had seen the infinite line of hearses on the roads bringing back the remains of all the victims to their loved ones.

Seen? I controlled the military flight bringing the remains back to the Netherlands and was part of the official welcoming group on the radio before it landed in Eindhoven.

If you care to actually READ the first few posts of this thread, you will see the only reason this thread exists is because in another thread, WBarnes latched on to the ONLY thing he knows about me (that I'm an air traffic controller), and tried to get one over on me because he was under the mistaken belief that it was an error by air traffic control that allowed MH17 to get shot down. Imagine what sort of a sick individual uses a disaster like that? He did it because he was losing face in a completely unrelated discussion.

This whole exchange is me, someone who's paid to know what I'm talking about, correcting the complete falsehoods and lies posted by WBarnes about what happened with MH17, so please don't group me in with WBarnes.

 

[David Brent]

Since we're talking about the worst year for Malaysia Airlines, then I think it's too bad that MH370 will never be found.

One thing is certain, though: Captain Zaharie committed murder-suicide; that's pretty obvious.

It's almost certain that was the case, athough *which* of the two pilots committed it is a little more grey. There's another thread on here (buried within the QZ8501 discussion) which I contributed to with explanations and graphics.

About half way down the page I start my contribution, which a few people seemed to appreciate. I'm "Betty Swollocks" in the thread...

Headlines - AirAsia Indonesia flight QZ8501 to Singapore missing

AGAIN!? In this day and age? It's becoming just to frequent. An AirAsia Indonesia airliner flying from Indonesia to Singapore with 162 people on board has gone missing. Flight QZ8501 lost contact with air traffic control at 06:24 local time (23:24 GMT Saturday) over the Java Sea. The plane...

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[WBarnes]

My latest salary slip would say otherwise.

I did say 'glorified'.