LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
Fuggin hell i love the Panamera..i was sceptical about the FL.but its super..
just everything about it is amazing..
porsche witchcraft deluxe!
[Video]: MotorTrend Reviews the Audi RS7 vs Porsche Panamera Turbo
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just everything about it is amazing..
porsche witchcraft deluxe!
Merc1
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You have missed the point by a country mile. You're basically saying the RS7 is pointless then, all on the excuse about wearing out some tires. If I have 115K for a car a set of tires are nothing.
M
Explaining that giving the right suspension would have yielded different and more favourable results is me missing the point????
The discuss was about the Panny and RS7 which you decided to include the E63 is me missing the point????
And it isn't only the cost but it would be a concern when you consider here a set of rubber for an RS7 would at a guesstimate cost between £1000-£1300 which could be shredded in 30 mins on a track. So a day at the track could be extremely expensive, may be best to look for a much lighter two seater number and get far more enjoyment at less expense to you than taking your nice heavy German beast to the track don't you think.
Oh and you don't think that's a hell of a waste of money then we have clearly completely different upbringing.
Beemer B773ER
Tire Trailblazer
Boy that RS7 sure loves to dance, moving that body all over the place!
Merc1
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NO you bringing up tires and talking about how they would be worn out is missing the point. Clearly if someone has 115K to spend for a 500+ hp car and they're too stiff to have fun with it at the track for just one day, not all the time, but just once to see what it really do, then they're a tired/boring wealthy/rich person IMO. Who the hell cares about wearing out some tires on a car like a RS7? You'll be buying a new set ever 9-12K miles anyways. What I do think is a waste of money (real money) is going from a S7 to a RS7 when the latter can't be driven on a track. That is real money, not some damn tires. All of this to make an excuse for the RS7? Really? The Panamera is clearly the better all around car here, that is the point. Upbringing? Couldn't be more matterless and nothing but yet another deflection/excuse. If you can't afford tires for RS7 then you can't afford the RS7 in the first place. What is the point of owning it???? A track day in a car like these should be every owners dream. Worry about replacement tires on a car like this is pitiful reasoning IMO.
M
-=Hot|Ice=-
High-Rev Hero
Right! Body Roolllllll
@Merc1 you really need to watch the comparison test Chris Harris did with the RS6 vs the CLS E63 Shooting Brake, that Audi had the DRC suspension and the roll is almost non existent. You are grasping at straws with this one test and saying the RS7 is sh1t but it's only sh1t on the track with the suspension setup it was supplied with, I'm not saying for one minute its a better balanced car than the Panny because nothing is in this class period but I'm damn sure if it had had DRC the results wouldn't have been so cut and dry.
Excuses.....? No, just trying to give a valid explanation to someone who doesn't want to listen and has made up his mind because it suits the world he chooses to live in.
Excuses.....? No, just trying to give a valid explanation to someone who doesn't want to listen and has made up his mind because it suits the world he chooses to live in.
Merc1 did not implied or said out right about that at all.....
Also leave the off topic stuff behind...
I know he didn't it was me who brought that up to highlight the fact that these cars aren't that much use on the track as it's not what they were either designed for or intended to be used on but he is totally ignoring the fact that with DRC the car would have performed way better than it did and is suggesting this explanation as an excuse.
Human
You. The Road. Nothing else.
Oh don't you start with the 'my favorite Audi' thingy.LOL
Still IMHO best looking Audi this side of the R8 and very desirable.
Merc1
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Sorry dude, more of the same. One excuse after another. I think the RS7 is a great car, but in this test it got spanked, period. Now saying that if it it had a different suspension it wouldn't roll that is fine, but that doesn't help the understeer problem either. You're the one grasping at straws with a woulda, shoulda, coulda gaggle of excuses. The other suspension, you said kills the ride so either way the Pana is a superior vehicle. Now if you're going to spend 130K for a car and then worry about tires then you can't afford the car. All of the side swipes about the world I live in and my upbringing don't change a thing, its like hearing dogs bark in the distance. Means nothing here.
M
^Hello, did I not say the Panny was superior and sorry but suspension changes will indeed effect the overall behaviour of the car and reduce its understeer. Regarding ride quality what I might think is harsh you or someone else might class as perfectly acceptable I know Chris Harris found the DRC in the RS6 to be decent enough in comfort mode.
Any frankly I can afford the RS7 but wasting rubber unnecessarily would bother me, does that mean I'm stingy or does it mean I have a healthy respect for money?
I think what's wrong with you here is you are still smarting from the last whipping the RS7 gave your beloved AMG. lol
Any frankly I can afford the RS7 but wasting rubber unnecessarily would bother me, does that mean I'm stingy or does it mean I have a healthy respect for money?
I think what's wrong with you here is you are still smarting from the last whipping the RS7 gave your beloved AMG. lol
Merc1
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No actually your problem is that you're sore because the best Audi has was easily beaten here. I couldn't care care less about the AMG because that wasn't the topic here.
I find it sad that someone who could afford a RS7 wouldn't want to have one track day with the car because of the expense of buying new tires. Again what is the point of buying a RS7? S7 would do just fine for 99%.
Are you Chris Harris? When will the excuses end?
Money is great, and I can buy a RS7 tomorrow if I wanted, but I clearly woudln't limit myself to never driving it on the track because of tire costs. Really silly.
Healthy respect for money is buying a S7 instead of a RS7 if you aren't going to thrash the RS7 at least once or twice. HUGE waste of money to buy an RS7 then.
M
I find it sad that someone who could afford a RS7 wouldn't want to have one track day with the car because of the expense of buying new tires. Again what is the point of buying a RS7? S7 would do just fine for 99%.
Are you Chris Harris? When will the excuses end?
Money is great, and I can buy a RS7 tomorrow if I wanted, but I clearly woudln't limit myself to never driving it on the track because of tire costs. Really silly.
Healthy respect for money is buying a S7 instead of a RS7 if you aren't going to thrash the RS7 at least once or twice. HUGE waste of money to buy an RS7 then.
M
Frankly I couldn't give a hoot with the RS7 getting beat and sorry to burst your bubble but it was you who kept bringing up Mercedes. LOL
You find it sad not wanting to take your own car round a track.........OK, long silence.
I don't think I could have made it clearer that I would save the money and get the S7 but clearly it wasn't clear enough before, hopefully this will address this sticking point for you. LOL
We both have beards occasionally but no I'm not him. If you can't see the relevance in the reference then again it's your problem not mine. LOL
That's up to you but trust me your enjoyment won't last long.
Finally something we agree on and believe me if the M5 wasn't such a hell of a bargain to contract hire it wouldn't be on the driveway either.
^Mate my sole argument has always been about the suspension choice effecting the result. If your only desire is to drive on the public roads whilst transporting family and friends then probably the air-suspension is best but if getting the most focused RS7 is your desire DRC is a must.
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