6 Series 2017 BMW 6 Series Rumors

[SCOTT27]

The family remains as it is. But just grew by 2 numbers. I don't see why not a 6er can become a stand alone sports concept or be positioned as one.

 

[domleo999]

The family remains as it is. But just grew by 2 numbers. I don't see why not a 6er can become a stand alone sports concept or be positioned as one.

Because it's always kind of been a 5 series equivalent of a coupe, and we don't want that to change.

 

[SCOTT27]

Because it's always kind of been a 5 series equivalent of a coupe, and we don't want that to change.

In the past 6er in its E24 guise was considered a sports car not that unlike the 911 and the Mercedes SEC.
The 6er has changed dramatically towards a cross continent GT because of market demands and progression of luxury same goes for the S-Klasse Coupe which is now removed from where it originally was.
Returning the 6er back to something that resembles the previous E24 hypothetically (ie being more upright and focused on performance rather than luxury would take the 6er back to its origins at least.

 

[domleo999]

In the past 6er in its E24 guise was considered a sports car not that unlike the 911 and the Mercedes SEC.
The 6er has changed dramatically towards a cross continent GT because of market demands and progression of luxury same goes for the S-Klasse Coupe which is now removed from where it originally was.
Returning the 6er back to something that resembles the previous E24 hypothetically (ie being more upright and focused on performance rather than luxury would take the 6er back to its origins at least.

From that perspective, I understand what your saying and partly agree.

But why can't the 6er be this type of vehicle while still identifying with the 5er? I understand the 8er is going to be the big GT in the lineup, but i expect that to be a true 7 series variant ( a similar length. interior and design) not this car we are seeing in these spy shots - a rebranded 6 series!

Id rather they create a new philosophy for the 8 series, but the 6 series needs to be a coupe between the 4 and 8 - meaning significantly bigger that the 4/3 series while allowing room for a S coupe rival

From the sounds of it, it seems like its going to have no relation to its 5 series sibling. How are BMW going to tackle the true E coupe?

 

[Andy1980]

it´s the same mistake mercedes did with the E-class coupe. The last model based on the C-class, it never was a real competitor to the 6er. Now, they changed their view and it is now based on the E-class. This "8er" will have no chance against S-class coupe because of the same reasons.

 

[mdartisian]

If it's a rebadge, then it's better for BMW to just bring the 6 series as is because this is lazy and deceptive on their part imo.

 

[m-power]

What I don't understand is that if BMW needed a sporty special small car, the Z5 as a coupe version will be the perfect answer/
looking at the toyota supra prototype, it makes much more sence that BMW will have it version of it.
Where does the 6er fit now ??
IMO the rebadging is wrong. and should be reconsidered
IMO it should be like this:
Z4 replaced with Z5 as a more sporty and premium car
Z5 coupe as a true sports car
6er - the same recipe as the current 6
8er - more luxury oriented big GT against s class coupe

 

[Mick Briesgau]

BMW better not try to compete with the S klasse coupe. It's just not their game, on this level. Just like the 7er has zero chanche against the S klasse, so will an eventual 8er against the S coupe. Just make a fine sporty 6er coupe, BMW, not a potential S coupe competitor.

 

[Matski]

BMW better not try to compete with the S klasse coupe. It's just not their game, on this level. Just like the 7er has zero chanche against the S klasse, so will an eventual 8er against the S coupe. Just make a fine sporty 6er coupe, BMW, not a potential S coupe competitor.

How do you define 'zero chance'?

 

[Mick Briesgau]

How do you define 'zero chance'?

Well, for every sold 7er Mercedes-Benz sells at least 2 S.

 

[Matski]

Well, for every sold 7er Mercedes-Benz sells at least 2 S.

So, a viable and sustainable business case then.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

So, a viable and sustainable business case then.

Respectfully disagree @Matski. Allow me to elaborate on this. At what effort and cost must BMW sell this one 7er? I've got an offer from BMW for a brandnew, personally and individually configurated yet to be build 7er, with a 20% discount... And all that with a car that isn't even one year on the market. I'm paying E-klasse/5er money to get a 7er, so to speak. I can't imagine I'm the only one getting these kind of offers. You still call that a viable and sustainable business case?

 

[SKY]

The 7 Series can perfectly compete in every way with the S-Class. In the same way the E-Class can compete with the 5er. Sales only reflect consumer´s preferences, not the capability of an automaker to offer a quality product to compete with an already established model.

The new 8 Series will perfectly compete with the S-Coupe, if there is even one to compete with at all (the latest industry rumors point to MB axing the S-Coupe due to the cannibalization of sales with the SL). A different thing would be if the 8er will be able to beat the S-Coupe or not. But if it does not, it will not be by a huge margin. Exactly the same that happens with the E vs 5er, or with almost every other segment between the three big german brands.

Let´s not make our personal preferences blind our judgement.

 

[bmwblog]

What I don't understand is that if BMW needed a sporty special small car, the Z5 as a coupe version will be the perfect answer/
looking at the toyota supra prototype, it makes much more sence that BMW will have it version of it.
Where does the 6er fit now ??
IMO the rebadging is wrong. and should be reconsidered
IMO it should be like this:
Z4 replaced with Z5 as a more sporty and premium car
Z5 coupe as a true sports car
6er - the same recipe as the current 6
8er - more luxury oriented big GT against s class coupe

There is no Z5, just a new Z4.

 

[Rainer271]

There is no Z5, just a new Z4.

I have thought the Z5 would replace the Z4.

 

[SKY]

There is no Z5, just a new Z4.

No name change then, according to your info?

 

[Matski]

Respectfully disagree @Matski. Allow me to elaborate on this. At what effort and cost must BMW sell this one 7er? I've got an offer from BMW for a brandnew, personally and individually configurated yet to be build 7er, with a 20% discount... And all that with a car that isn't even one year on the market. I'm paying E-klasse/5er money to get a 7er, so to speak. I can't imagine I'm the only one getting these kind of offers. You still call that a viable and sustainable business case?

I virtually never look at new car deals, but Mercedes UK appear to be offering 22% incentive on a new S-Class, I have no idea if this is normal or not, but the fact remains that offering incentives is commonplace and doesn't equate to a model having "zero chance".

At best you could argue that an 8-er might have zero chance of beating an S-Coupe in magazine tests, but that alone doesn't justify claiming that BMW shouldn't make one at all. Mercedes has always been strong in the S-Class segment, but that hasn't stopped 1.6 million people over the years choosing to buy a BMW 7-Series instead.

There's no logical reason to think BMW can't produce a competitive 8 series in this segment. They've exceeded what needs to be done already with the Wraith and the Dawn, and whilst the 7-er isn't dominant, the S-Class is hardly miles ahead with some reviews favouring it to the S. Sales aside, it's a close run contest... this doesn't equate to "zero chance" as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

They've exceeded what needs to be done already with the Wraith and the Dawn

But they're badged "Rolls-Royce". From my own unscientific observations, the BMW badge doesn't have as much cache in the upper price ranges as Porsche, Aston Martin and Mercedes-Benz. I don't think for one second they COULDN'T produce something which is of equal quality. Just that the average person who's in the market to spend six figures on a car leans more towards these high-end brands.

 

[SKY]

But they're badged "Rolls-Royce".

Please, don´t even dare to suggest RRs are rebadged BMWs. That only applies to Porsche and brands under the VAG umbrella.

LOL!

 

[gdm]

In China,the current 6er GC is offered 35% more discount rate. A loaded 640i GC is much cheaper than a base X5 35i in market.