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2011 Audi RS5 First Drive

So, would you have one over the BMW M3?

That's likely what you're asking right now, even if the magnificent 2011 Audi RS5 is yet to be officially confirmed for sale in North America. It's a question we've pondered time and again since Ingolstadt's new performance coupe was first unveiled at the 2010 Geneva Auto Show over a month ago. It's what we were thinking as we travelled to Munich last week to drive it for the first time.

And it's the one thing on our mind when we're finally handed the ignition key.

Defining the Enthusiast
Up to this point, we're fairly sure the answer would actually be no. After all, the BMW M3 continues to remain the yardstick by which all performance coupes are invariably measured. As common as it has become after 25 years of uninterrupted production, the M3 is still ahead of the field and, what's more, a hugely rewarding drive.

But as we get close to the 2011 Audi RS5 for the first time and catch a glimpse of its muscular rear bodywork, prominent aero diffuser, oversized tailpipes and integrated trunk-mounted spoiler, we begin to doubt the BMW. Then we spot our test car's wheels, a set of the optional graphite-color 20-inchers, and they're carrying 265/35R20 tires in front and 275/30R20 tires in the rear. It is suddenly time to reappraise.

We stand and stare, suddenly wondering if the M3 might finally have met its match. On looks alone, the BMW is certainly closely challenged. The Audi RS5 has an instant air of aggressiveness harking back to Audi's most celebrated road car of all time, the original Quattro.

You could argue that Audi really didn't need to build this car. The Audi S5 is an excellent car in its own right, after all. But the Audi RS5 exists purely on the premise that more is better. A guilty pleasure, if you like.

The Heartbeat of Ingolstadt
At the heart of the RS5 beats the latest evolution of Audi's naturally aspirated, direct-injection 4.2-liter V8. Spinning it to 8,250 rpm produces 444 horsepower, while 317 pound-feet of torque is available from 4,000-6,000 rpm. This is 95 hp more than the Audi S5's V8 has on hand (although only 8 lb-ft of torque more), and this power plant also surpasses the output of the M3's 4.0-liter V8 by 24 hp and 22 lb-ft of torque.

This is essentially the same engine Audi slots into the midengine R8, and the way it delivers its considerable level of thrust makes the RS5 a truly memorable car to drive. At low revs the engine is surprisingly subdued for a car boasting such headline-grabbing acceleration, and it has a pleasingly relaxed character that makes it a sublime companion for long-distance motoring. Regardless of what gear you find yourself in, there's always plenty of urge on tap and a compelling eagerness in the way the engine goes about its business.

As the torque figure indicates, however, this engine needs to be worked fairly hard before delivering its best. But that's not a great hardship. The big V8 loves to rev, and it only gets better the more you pour into it, feeling particularly gutsy as you wind it around to the redline. Indeed, the sheer energy released through the final section of the rev range is especially impressive for such a large engine.

Another reason to run this V8 hard is the hearty baritone it sings when you've got lots of throttle applied. The camshaft alters, the engine note hardens and the acceleration crystallizes into a terrific crescendo of speed and blaring exhaust.

Shifting for Speed
You'll find Audi's latest seven-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission as the only gearbox of choice here. In manual mode, the gears change smoothly, precisely and rapidly — enough to persuade you that you'd be no better off with a conventional six-speed manual transmission. In automatic mode the gearchanges are slower, more hesitant and not quite as crisp. But it is nevertheless handy to be able to nudge the shift lever across the gate and go hands-free at times, especially in slow-moving city traffic.

The best bit, however, is the integral launch control program. Find a suitable piece of road, dial up Dynamic mode on the Drive Select menu, switch off the electronic stability program, apply the brakes with your left foot and lay down the throttle with your right foot, then release the stoppers.

Audi claims acceleration to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.6 seconds — a scant 0.1 second slower than the time BMW quotes for the M3 with its own dual-clutch transmission. Top speed is 155 mph, although it can be raised to 174 mph as part of the optional Performance package for this car.

Power to the Road
Like the RS4 before it, the RS5 is fitted with Audi's excellent Drive Select system, which allows you to tailor the characteristics of the car's steering, throttle, gearbox, suspension and even the torque split between the front and rear wheels.

The problem, of course, is that in an effort to extract the best from the new Audi you find yourself constantly turning the rotary dial down on the center console to alter each setting rather than concentrating on the road ahead. Deciding on a definitive setting could take you weeks, and that's without taking into account the variations in road conditions. It's easier to accept the preselected modes.

If asked to define the main difference between the RS5 and the S5 upon which it is largely based, we would say that it's the sharpness of the new car's responses. Everything its lesser two-door sibling does, the RS5 executes with greater precision. And that also goes for the way it swallows up great distances at high speed.

The RS5 is a straight-line weapon with few peers. It's a car that feels immensely fast and right at home on the wide autobahn running south of Munich and beyond, with unflinching stability all the way to its claimed top speed. There's just the right amount of torque to make rapid progress simple. However, there's considerable incentive to run the engine to its limiter, because that's where the power is as well as the exhaust music.

Off the Autobahn
In ultimate terms the 3,803-pound Audi RS5 doesn't possess quite the same clarity of response or overall feedback as a BMW M3, but it has more than enough to make it a genuinely rewarding car to drive hard — and fast. The steering is pleasingly fluid in its actions and extremely accurate, allowing you to place the Audi on the road with great confidence and providing impressive agility at all speeds.

With its all-wheel drive apportioning power to all four wheels and a torque-vectoring device between the rear wheels helping to provide neutral handling, the RS5 has so much grip at very high cornering speeds that there's nothing more than a hint of understeer to warn you that the enormous purchase from the tires is about to run out. Fling the RS5 into a tightening-radius bend and you get some lean, but it builds progressively without any unruly pitch to throw you off line and force you to back off prematurely.

With such high levels of grip you can afford to be late on the brakes into corners and still have the confidence to get hard on the throttle before the apex to take full advantage of the tremendous traction on the exit. Indeed, the way the RS5 blasts out of corners is one of its finest dynamic traits.

And the ride? Fast Audis haven't always been known to combine compliance and control in equal measure. In fact, some performance-oriented models out of Ingolstadt in recent years have been downright harsh. The RS5, however, is different. With the suspension setting in the Drive Select menu switched to automatic, the ride is so good that you wonder how Audi could have gotten it so wrong for so many years.

More Than Just Fast
The 2011 Audi RS5 feels like a class act the moment you pull the door handle and climb inside. Audi has a well-deserved reputation for turning out some of the best production car interiors, and this car upholds that honor with one of the most stylish and high-quality cabins you'll find in any car at any price.

If the primary objective of the 2011 Audi RS5 has been to put one over on the BMW M3, then it's hard to see how it has failed. Stylistically, it scores with its aggressive demeanor. See it in the street and you're in no doubt that this is one badass car. It's also hard to argue about the overall effectiveness of its driveline, especially the action of its dual-clutch gearbox. In terms of overall quality, it also scores highly.

In the end, it comes down to the driving experience. In ultimate terms, there is very little separating the two cars. You'd buy the Audi for the secure feel it delivers, whether in the dry or the wet. On the other hand, you'd have the BMW purely on entertainment value, as it has a kind of fizz that makes a car so desirable.

Clearly it's time for a reappraisal.

Overall the kind of review I am expecting, i.e. not quite as involving as an M3 but still one hell of a car. Few small mistakes though, it's 30hp more not the 24hp as suggested, likewise the price is a estimate which I know will be well wide of the mark and the RS4 didn't come with Audi Drive Select.

I look forward to see some proper comparison tests between the two cars, only then will it be known how good of a job Audi has done with this car, I get the impression that on pure ability the RS5 will have the M3 comfortably beat.
 
Few small mistakes though, it's 30hp more not the 24hp as suggested, likewise the price is a estimate which I know will be well wide of the mark and the RS4 didn't come with Audi Drive Select.

Here is another mistake; Audi claims acceleration to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.6 seconds — a scant 0.1 second slower than the time BMW quotes for the M3 with its own dual-clutch transmission.

BMW quotes 4.6 secs for the M3 DCT coupe 0-100km/h, i.e. no difference.
 
Here is another mistake; Audi claims acceleration to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.6 seconds — a scant 0.1 second slower than the time BMW quotes for the M3 with its own dual-clutch transmission.

BMW quotes 4.6 secs for the M3 DCT coupe 0-100km/h, i.e. no difference.

Correct, but I think as the results from the road tests start to come in that figure of 4.6s is very much on the conservative side, unlike the M3 which barely gets below this figure without the use of a dragstrip and the 1ft rollout. ;)
 
The gearing of the RS5's S-Tronic is nothing short of amazing, 400 kph at 8000 rpm in 7th gear! Really, Audi? :eusa_thin


Best regards,
south
 
The gearing of the RS5's S-Tronic is nothing short of amazing, 400 kph at 8000 rpm in 7th gear! Really, Audi? :eusa_thin


Best regards,
south

Quite right South, this is a case of emissions and economy ruling the roost which shouldn't be with a hi-performance sportscar. Though until tested full it's impossible to say whether this decision will have affected it's outright aceleration into triple figures.
 
Quite right South, this is a case of emissions and economy ruling the roost which shouldn't be with a hi-performance sportscar. Though until tested full it's impossible to say whether this decision will have affected it's outright aceleration into triple figures.
True, and I think it's safe to assume that this decision will affect its fuel rating. ;)


Best regards,
south
 
A 100K for the RS5 here in the U.S??? If true, I now see why they don't want to bring it over, it surely won't be selling in any real numbers at that price!


M
 
Correct, but I think as the results from the road tests start to come in that figure of 4.6s is very much on the conservative side, unlike the M3 which barely gets below this figure without the use of a dragstrip and the 1ft rollout. ;)

The Audi should be much faster than the M3. The M3 manages the figures advertised and the Audi should beat the stated by a fair margin, otherwise something seems wrong.
 
A 100K for the RS5 here in the U.S??? If true, I now see why they don't want to bring it over, it surely won't be selling in any real numbers at that price!


M

This guesstimate of $100k has to be wrong, especially when you do the maths with other markets worldwide.

In fact if you look at the percentage difference between the S5 and RS5 in the UK and then look at the US S5 price adding the same percentage difference you end up with an RS5 in the US at $73K.

Can you honestly see Audi charging such a premium of $30k for the privilege of owning an RS5, solely to US customers and not else where in the world? :t-crazy2:
 
The Audi should be much faster than the M3. The M3 manages the figures advertised and the Audi should beat the stated by a fair margin, otherwise something seems wrong.

Agreed, by all accounts the RS5 should be capable of launching itself into the very low 4s.
 
Agreed, by all accounts the RS5 should be capable of launching itself into the very low 4s.

It would only achieve this because of it's 4WD advantage, otherwise I think the beemer would have the edge over it.:t-cheers:
 
This guesstimate of $100k has to be wrong, especially when you do the maths with other markets worldwide.

In fact if you look at the percentage difference between the S5 and RS5 in the UK and then look at the US S5 price adding the same percentage difference you end up with an RS5 in the US at $73K.

Can you honestly see Audi charging such a premium of $30k for the privilege of owning an RS5, solely to US customers and not else where in the world? :t-crazy2:


I can't see it either, but RS cars tend to be way more expense than M or AMG cars here. I would hope for about 75K loaded, not many options if any. The RS6 was supposed to be over 100K which is why they didn't import it, so rumor has it.


M
 
It would only achieve this because of it's 4WD advantage, otherwise I think the beemer would have the edge over it.:t-cheers:

I have agree with you on this, but if that is an advantage you happen to have then why not use it. The real question that needs to be asked is whether it's gearing which appears to favour economy will dull this acceleration as the speeds continue to climb?

I'm a little disappointed they ended up with this setup, otherwise it would have been perfect.
 
Automobile Magazine also did a write-up on the RS5 and were not as impressed. Seemed like their biggest hang up was the lack of driver involvement/feedback.

IMHO however, they are the worst of the USA publications when it comes to reviews.
 
Automobile Magazine - Review: First Drive: 2011 Audi RS5

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Although Audi of America has not yet confirmed it, the stunning new RS5 coupe that debuted at the Geneva auto show in March will indeed be imported to the United States, and even though it probably won't arrive until late 2011, we've already driven it. The last RS models to come here, as you may recall, were the RS4 sedan and cabriolet that were discontinued some time ago. The current drought of U.S.-bound RS models has been long, but the RS5's U.S. arrival will be the beginning of a new era where we will see a steadier infusion of RS models. Why the delay for the RS5? The A5/S5 coupe on which it's based, although still stunning, is due for a mid-cycle face-lift next year, so it makes sense for Audi to import the RS5 at the same time as that freshened model.

Like all fast two-door Audis, the RS5 is genetically connected, albeit loosely, to the 1980s Coupe Quattro. To underline this link to Audi's glorious rally-winning past, the RS5 sports squared-off fenders and triangular sill extensions. Specific RS styling elements include a new grille, enlarged air intakes, restyled front and rear bumpers, plenty of aluminum trim, two large oval tailpipes, a front splitter, a rear diffuser, and a wing that extends at 75 mph and retracts at 50 mph.

Inside, power-operated sport seats are trimmed in Alcantara and leather. The RS instruments wear different graphics; the onboard computer includes an oil-temperature gauge and a lap timer; the pedals are made of drilled aluminum; and supple leather, shiny carbon fiber, and piano black panelwork please the eye and help justify the premium price, likely about $75,000 or $80,000 in the States.

While most future RS models will be powered by twin-turbocharged engines, both the upcoming, Europe-market RS4 Avant and the RS5 coupe get a high-revving, normally aspirated, direct-injection, 4.2-liter V-8. It makes 450 hp, 30 hp more than the old RS4's V-8 of the same displacement. Stephan Reil, R&D chief in charge of all Audi RS and R models, explains: The high-revving V-8 is better suited for this particular vehicle concept than a twin-turbo V-6. When you consider the extra plumbing, the more complex exhaust system, and the additional cooling requirement, the weight penalty of the V-8 shrinks to less than 40 pounds. The engine for the RS5 was practically developed from scratch. It develops more power and torque than the outgoing unit, yet it uses twenty percent less fuel. Although the redline was pushed up to 8500 rpm, maximum torque, an identical 317 lb-ft is now available between a less hectic 4000 and 6000 rpm.

Engineering highlights include a two-mode intake manifold with tumble blades, variable intake and exhaust timing, and a multimode exhaust system.

To trim parasitic losses, Audi reduced piston friction, lightened the DOHC valvetrain, and fitted a variable-output oil pump. A regenerative braking system increases alternator output during deceleration and reduces its output during normal driving. A seven-speed dual-clutch S tronic automatic is the only available transmission.

The RS5 gets the latest evolution of the Quattro system that debuted on the new S4 sedan. Its salient feature is a center differential capable of directing up to 70 percent of the torque to the front axle and up to 85 percent to the rear. An optional computer-controlled rear differential adjusts torque between the rear wheels to prevent wheel spin and aid cornering.

As one would expect, the chassis wizards have come up with new springs, dampers, and antiroll bars for the RS5, as compared with those of the stock A5. The calibration of the suspension software has been firmed up quite a bit, ride height is lowered by nearly an inch, and the standard tires are 265/35YR-19, with 275/30YR-20 footwear optional. The brakes employ thicker, larger-diameter discs, and the front brakes employ eight-piston calipers and 14.4-inch-diameter vented and drilled rotors pinned to aluminum hubs.

Through Drive Select (the interface for steering, powertrain, and suspension that debuted in the Q5) the driver can personalize all essential dynamic traits. The settings known as comfort, dynamic, auto, and individual also apply to the sport differential. Other variations can be dialed in by sharpening or softening the performance of the dual-clutch transmission, by focusing or relaxing the mind-set of the V-8 engine, and by altering the tunes played by the restrained, raucous, or rowdy exhaust. As for the steering, Audi engineers have found ways to massage its action in three almost equally compromised directions. Comfort is stiff, dynamic is even stiffer, and auto varies between the two, which are both disappointingly lifeless and uninspiring. As a result, the helm feels heavy and doughy and lacks fluidity and progression. This setup is quite clearly more interested in execution than in communication.

In theory, Drive Select combines the best of all worlds. In reality, it makes falling in love with this car a trial-and-error experience that can be either enlightening and entertaining or frustrating.

Although the new Audi RS5 is lightning quick, some of its motions have a strangely synthetic touch. A competent and classy car, it delivers the goods in a rather cold and detached fashion. Like the new A8, the RS5 overwhelms the driver with modern conveniences and with optional behavioral manipulations. With Drive Select, one can now almost reach deep into the car¹s brain and tweak the flow of its neurotransmitters, which takes some getting used to and could even call for an attitude change not unlike the one we went through when the automotive industry introduced antilock brakes, traction control, and stability control, all of which evolved from potential incapacitators to indispensable saviors.

In view of the Audi's awesome on-paper form and the favorable driving conditions, we set off from Audi headquarters in Ingolstadt with the engine/exhaust, the transmission, and the sport differential in dynamic mode. In addition, we raised the stability control threshold with the sport program. Unless you use the paddleshifters or push the lever into the manual gate to prevent automatic upshifts, the driveline needs no further instruction to deliver exactly as expected. Throttle response is brisk and eager, and pickup at low revs is commendably energetic, but you still need to keep the V-8 revving within its 4000-to-6000-rpm sweet spot. With the transmission in auto and Drive Select in dynamic, the black box does most of the thinking for you, which could be a good thing, except that we often disagreed. After all, late upshifts and very early downshifts are a nuisance in town: at 30 mph, the cogs will decide to engage second gear, fiercely blipping the throttle in the process and firmly keeping the exhaust in that blat-blat hooligan setting. In dynamic mode on the open road, the transmission will try not to shift up to sixth or seventh gear, which sounds and feels fast but is not a particularly practical proposition. So after a couple of hours, it's back to auto mode with a frown and a question: could it be that the Drive Select software is a touch too clever for the environment it must work in?

Still, on the winding but open road between Vohburg and Münchsmünster, the RS5's sport differential, Quattro, and tuned suspension created an almost eerie virtual-reality cornering effect. Can these speeds be true? Are the RS5 and Kacher still on the same planet? What happened to all the familiar warning signs like body roll, tire squeal, lift-off oversteer, the steering firming up or becoming lighter? The RS5 is teaching me new lessons here, like how to approach and detect and deal with the limit without relying on familiar instincts. It's an unreal experience, and yet it is electrifying, intoxicating, and addictive. The network of filters takes out most of the vagaries and the imponderables, but at the same time it simplifies the car's complex character and personality.

If speed from point A to point B and total composure are your priorities, the new Audi promises total satisfaction. But if feedback and transparency matter most, the RS5 puts you on a relatively strict diet. As it is, the RS5 ticks all the boxes with robotic accuracy and awesome ability, but I, for one, need more time to adjust to this new quality of focused, fuss-free performance. Most of all, I need more time to mix a Drive Select cocktail that really works for me.


2011 Audi RS5 - Audi Luxury Sport Coupe Review - Automobile Magazine


Automobile reviews aren't number based like C&D and the other U.S. magazines, but they give an overall assessment of the vehicle. How they "feel" about it. Personally I find Automobile to be great reading, but not the best "review" in the traditional sense. Their "take" on most cars is spot on IMO.


M
 
So the review circus begins. The achilles heel of the RS5 might potentially be the S-Tronic transmission, but let's wait for more in depth reviews to find out where the transmission has been revised.
 
It's amazing what a certain something can do to alter your perception of something. I don't like the A5 and nor do I feel anything for the RS5. but from certain angles this blue makes the car look really good. the angles that don't make it look obese.:t-cheers:
 

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Audi AG is a German automotive manufacturer of luxury vehicles headquartered in Ingolstadt, Bavaria, Germany. A subsidiary of the Volkswagen Group, the company’s origins date back to the early 20th century and the initial enterprises (Horch and the Audiwerke) founded by engineer August Horch (1868–1951). Two other manufacturers (DKW and Wanderer) also contributed to the foundation of Auto Union in 1932. The modern Audi era began in the 1960s, when Volkswagen acquired Auto Union from Daimler-Benz, and merged it with NSU Motorenwerke in 1969.
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