A5/S5/RS5 Audi RS5 - First Drives and Driving Impressions (Autocar, Edmunds,…)


I get what you're trying to say. On paper the RS5 should be faster around a track than a M3. But somehow BMW have the ability to achieve the impossible. Remeber the Top gear episode where the C63, M3 and RS4 set laptimes. On paper the RS4 should have won.

But in the end the M3 destroyed the C63 and RS4. There is no reason why the same thing shouldn't happen with the RS5 and M3 as well, unless the RS5 proves me wrong.

I love Topgear but I don't necessarily believe everything I see and nor should you. In all the data you will see the M3 is quicker than an RS4 but the gap doesn't equal the 5s per lap that the Topgear test suggested. But you are quite right, the M3 performs beyond it's power to weight and I have always considered it to be one of the finest sports saloons ever built, but I don't think it will retain it's control over the sector now there the RS5 has appeared. In fact I am sure about this.

I will confess that I had previously been told the it's acceleration would be closer to that of the C63 than the M3 but now it's gearing has come to light I reckon that this info referred only to the 1/4mile and not to peak speeds. The whole benefit of a dual clutch is it's ability to shift gear more than twice as quick as a manual but in giving it such tall gearing means the RS5 isn't get this benefit.
 
^ The reviews keep getting better and one thing that needs to be highlighted is that every one of them are commenting that when really pushed the RS5 is behaving more like a rwd car, just like what a GTR does.

I look forward to the complete first drive reviews that include their time on the track, no doubt they will all say how blisteringly quick and efficient it is but it will be interesting to see whether they continue to be favourable towards it's overall driving experience or whether it's weight finally lose from of that shine.
 
It appears that edmunds got it wrong with the final drive ratio, it's actually 4.375.

So Audi haven't made a muckup of the RS5's acceleration. :eusa_danc
Based on the updated final drive ratio, I made a comparison chart between the RS5 and the M3 DCT. It looks better now, but the higher gears still are a tad too long:

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May I suggest adding to the graph the M3 manual because I reckon those details will be closer to the first 6 gears of the RS5.

BMW M3 6-speed

1st 44mph
2nd 75mph
3rd 113mph
4th 150mph
5th 179mph
6th 205mph
 
The only reason I suggested this inclusion is that you and I both know the manual has been proven to be slightly quicker above 120mph than the M-DCT. I don't know why this should be the case but considering how close the manual M3 and the first 6 gears of the RS5 is I thought it might be relevant.
 
Wow.. loving the technical nature of this discussion! :)

I'm a pretty much a novice at understanding what all these numbers translate to in terms of real-world performance and driving.

Would any of you guys be so kind as to explain (in semi-layman's term) the difference between the RS5 and M3 with respect to these numbers and graphs posted above?

I'm very intrigued about learning about this stuff, but numbers alone aren't of much use without knowing what they mean (which is where I'm stuck). :)
 
In theory shorter gearing means the engine is working less hard during acceleration but this all depends on the characteristics of the engine in question. The reason I said 'in theory' is because in so tests the taller geared manual M3 proved to be a little quicker the the shorter (equivelant geared) M-DCT above the 120mph where really it should have been the opposite.

I am sure someone well be able to explain it even better but this should do for a start.
 
Wow.. loving the technical nature of this discussion! :)

I'm a pretty much a novice at understanding what all these numbers translate to in terms of real-world performance and driving.

Would any of you guys be so kind as to explain (in semi-layman's term) the difference between the RS5 and M3 with respect to these numbers and graphs posted above?

I'm very intrigued about learning about this stuff, but numbers alone aren't of much use without knowing what they mean (which is where I'm stuck). :)

Nothing much to it, just that shorter gearing means more torque at the wheels which in turn improves acceleration but also means the engine is revving higher at a given speed which in turn increases fuel consumption.
A good example is M5 vs E63, while E63 has way more torque, it's 6th and 7th gears are really tall compared to M5 which is why M5 accelerates faster at higher speeds.

Another advantage of shorter gearing is it's easier to keep an engine in it's sweet spot (strictly speaking, this has more to do with the spacing between the gear-ratios than the ratios themselves, but generally speaking a transmission with taller gearing will usually have more widely spaced gears than a transmission with shorter ratios).
 
CarEnthusiast - First Drive: Audi RS5

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| First Drive | Marbella, Spain | Audi RS5 |

Audi once said there would only be one RS model at a time in its range and while broken promises are usually to be avoided, we'll forgive it on this occasion. The RS5 brings the RS model line-up to three - or five if you count the TT RS Roadster and RS6 Avant as separate to their coupé and saloon relatives. As the name suggests the RS5 is based on the A5 and it wears the blistered arches of the car that arguably began Audi's four-wheel drive quattro path to performance - the ür-Quattro.

In the Metal

Those ür-Quattro aping wheelarches leave the RS5 with some pretty sizable boots to fill. Visually at least that's not a problem. The deep RS-badged front grille, pop-up rear spoiler, twin oval exhaust pipes (which on closer inspection are just finishers, the actual pipes sitting behind them), 19-inch alloy wheels, brushed metal effect finishes to the front spoiler and rear 'diffuser' and those subtly squared off wheelarches add some muscle to the A5's coupé body.

The overall effect isn't too overt - if you ignore the flashy LED running lamps - and that restraint is demonstrated inside, too. As a starting point the A5's interior is already good; the RS5 gains racier details like bucket sports seats and RS5 badging on the dials and gear knob. Carbon-fibre trim inserts also feature, but otherwise the RS5's interior feels little different to its S5 relative's. That's no bad thing, really.

What you get for your Money

At £57,000 the RS5 is around £17,000 more expensive than the S5. That might seem a bit tough to justify at first given the slight visual differences inside and out, but it's under the bonnet and in the drivetrain where the money's been spent. The 4.2-litre V8's power swells by around 100bhp to produce 444bhp, that power driven through all four-wheels via a seven-speed, twin-clutch transmission. UK cars get the handling-transforming Sports Differential as standard and adaptive damping, but if you want carbon ceramic discs (front only) then you'll have to pay an additional £6,250, while - somewhat inexplicably for a range topper - Audi asks £1,495 for satellite navigation. There's a sports exhaust too, which Audi has yet to price up. Whatever the cost, it's likely to be worth it.

Driving it

RS badging on an Audi typically means something ludicrously quick, and the RS5 doesn't disappoint. It'll get you to 62mph in just 4.6 seconds, the quattro four-wheel drivetrain giving it phenomenal traction to exploit its prodigious power. With up to 85 percent of drive going to the rear and a normal 40/60 front-to-rear distribution the RS5's stance feels rather neutral, understeer only ever apparent if you're being silly. Flow with the RS5 and it's possible to carry incredible pace, it feeling in some ways like Bentley's Continental GT in the way it's able to carry its considerable pace with impunity.

Part of that is down to the ride quality, Audi's chassis people managing to balance the tricky trade off between ride quality and control. The wide track and taut suspension keeps roll minimal, yet allows a ride that's rarely jarring. That's with the proviso that you don't opt for the Dynamic set up in the Dynamic Ride Control element of the Audi Drive Select. Do so and the damping is too rigid, the firmest choice upsetting the ride comfort with lots of vertical movement ruining the RS5's composure. It's much the same with the steering, choosing the Dynamic mode resulting in more effort required at the wheel, without any corresponding increase in feel or finesse.

Find the sweet spot in the set up though and the RS5 impresses with its ability. There's loads of grip and when it does start to let go it's predictable and easy to collect. A session on track - where Audi inexplicably didn't allow the ESP to be disabled - there's no denying the RS5's speed, but it does feel heavy and the brakes are pretty tired after a few laps. It's unlikely the RS5 will be used on track with any regularity though, its forte being a fearsomely fast, composed and comfortable road car. If one that's slightly lacking in ultimate feel and interaction.

If there's one area where the RS5 really rouses it's with the engine. It's both frustrating and utterly glorious in equal measure. You need to work it to get the best from it; although it's got a decent spread of torque at low revs it's at the top end where it's best. It'll do 65mph in second gear, though the need to work it keeps your fingers busy on the too-small paddles behind the steering wheel. The noise that accompanies the blistering performance is fantastic, the cultured sound coming through the firewall and following from the exhausts is deep in character and layered with lovely naughtiness. Get caught napping and you have to be quick to drop a couple of gears to get the RS5 to up its pace, though when the increase in speed comes so does that glorious soundtrack.

Worth Noting

Despite an output 100bhp or so more than the S5, the RS5 emits less CO2. On the official combined cycle the RS5 pumps out a respectable 252g/km, its consumption figure the same 26.2mpg as the S5 manages.

If you're intent on using the rear seats regularly choose the sports seats over the standard bucket ones - they're a no-cost option. With a hard back and no easy single means of folding and sliding them forward the bucket seats make getting in the rear pretty tricky. As with the A5, the RS5's boot is vast. Just be sure to strap everything down...

Summary

The third RS model in the current Audi range is one of the most appealing. Enormously fast and hugely competent, it's an easy car to enjoy, even if it doesn't quite involve on the level of some of its similarly priced rivals. As a useable performance car though the Audi RS5 is difficult to fault and the noise it makes is worth the price alone.

Car reviews | Audi RS5 | First Drive: Audi RS5 | by Car Enthusiast

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It takes corner with little drama. Understeer doesn't seem to be a problem.

Exactly. This might give the impression of making everything appear easy, almost unexciting but according to what I have heard when you fully remove the ESP it can and will perform tail out fun with the right approach, just as Tom Ford found out for himself.
 
Sounds like he wasn't too flattered.

.....or excited. His experience in the car has been like driving a VAG Uber GT: Monster engine packaged into a heavy body, compensated by clever electronics. The character of the car mirrors that of the RS6 which has been hailed for its speed and handling but doesn't leave the driver with goose bumps the way an M car does.

Interestingly he brings up the RS4 which was a giant leap in the right direction in terms of excitement and driver involvement. Let's await further reviews because Chris Harris might have anticipated the RS5 to drive like an M3 and thus have had a slightly clouded judgement. But so far the consensus is that the RS5 is a bit restrained in its demeanor.
 

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