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Czinger Czinger 21C - production spec
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Czinger Vehicles Inc., commonly known as Czinger is an American automobile manufacturer of hybrid sports cars based in Los Angeles, California, operating since 2019. Official website: Czinger
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Jonathan19
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The £2.2 million Czinger 21C Blackbird is officially sold out!
The spy-plane-inspired hypercar sold out hours after its unveiling.
During this year's Monterey Car Week, American carmaker Czinger pulled the covers on its latest 21C variant, known as the Blackbird. The name comes from the SR-71 Blackbird, a spy plane built by Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works division in the 60s. A relatively small batch of engineers made up the Skunk Works team and, despite their small size, successfully created what is still the fastest and highest-flying manned aircraft to date.
Eager to capture some of the SR-71's magic and mystique, Czinger's latest 21C wears a similar aesthetic with all-black bodywork, wheels, and aero components. Given this car's theme, a new Jet Black paint was specifically created for the Blackbird to create the darkest finish possible. It features a custom black Alcantara interior with black leather accents and Afterburner Orange contrasting details.
During its announcement last week, Czinger confirmed that it planned to build just four Blackbirds, symbolising the four Czinger family members. Each car carries a $2.8 million (£2.2 million) base price, over the standard 21C's $2 million (£1.6 million) starting figure. However, just hours after its announcement, Czinger confirmed that all four cars had sold."
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The spy-plane-inspired hypercar sold out hours after its unveiling.
During this year's Monterey Car Week, American carmaker Czinger pulled the covers on its latest 21C variant, known as the Blackbird. The name comes from the SR-71 Blackbird, a spy plane built by Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works division in the 60s. A relatively small batch of engineers made up the Skunk Works team and, despite their small size, successfully created what is still the fastest and highest-flying manned aircraft to date.
Eager to capture some of the SR-71's magic and mystique, Czinger's latest 21C wears a similar aesthetic with all-black bodywork, wheels, and aero components. Given this car's theme, a new Jet Black paint was specifically created for the Blackbird to create the darkest finish possible. It features a custom black Alcantara interior with black leather accents and Afterburner Orange contrasting details.
During its announcement last week, Czinger confirmed that it planned to build just four Blackbirds, symbolising the four Czinger family members. Each car carries a $2.8 million (£2.2 million) base price, over the standard 21C's $2 million (£1.6 million) starting figure. However, just hours after its announcement, Czinger confirmed that all four cars had sold."
The $2.8 Million Czinger 21C Blackbird Is Officially Sold Out
The Czinger 21C Blackbird is one of four limited hypercars featuring more power, lighter construction, and aggressive aero. Now, all units have found homes.
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@Porsche Guy sorry for the slight delay I've been a little under the weather shall we say.
Anyway penetrating the World of Hypercar sales is often fraught with difficulties as manufacturers don't release this information.
But 4 limited editions are confirmed sold out. I'd expect quadruple that even if they won't say so for all of them total based on other manufacturers over the years.
Anyway penetrating the World of Hypercar sales is often fraught with difficulties as manufacturers don't release this information.
But 4 limited editions are confirmed sold out. I'd expect quadruple that even if they won't say so for all of them total based on other manufacturers over the years.
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It's a special car and they need to deliver them now.
But yes that interior is definitely special!
Revvd
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New lap record in the bag.
The gap to GT3 got bigger at COTA. Perhaps it has to do with the track length (3.6 km vs 5.5 km)
| Laguna Seca | COTA | |
|---|---|---|
| GT3 lap record | 1:24.48 - 100.0 % (AMG GT3 Evo, '22) | 2:05.33 - 100.0 % (GT3 R, '23) |
| Czinger 21C | 1:25.45 - 101.2 % | 2:11.33 - 104.8 % |
| McLaren P1 | 1:30.00 - 106.7 % (+5.5 % vs 21C) | 2:17.49 - 109.7 % (+4.9 % vs 21C) |
The gap to GT3 got bigger at COTA. Perhaps it has to do with the track length (3.6 km vs 5.5 km)
Jonathan19
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How the F did I miss this?
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Let's see deliveries now. Finished client examples.
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These things are so photogenic!
Yes, Californian ofcourse!
Revvd
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Let's play a game called spot the difference with Czinger 21C engine bay.
It's crazy how many different versions they've been through. Although for a company in the business of iterative structural optimization and rapid prototyping, I wouldn't expect any less.
The weirdest part is how their two (supposedly) production models have totally different rear subframes. Not even the exhaust mounts are the same design.
Earliest prototype
Later prototype
21C Lightweight Blackbird Edition
21C V Max
It's crazy how many different versions they've been through. Although for a company in the business of iterative structural optimization and rapid prototyping, I wouldn't expect any less.
The weirdest part is how their two (supposedly) production models have totally different rear subframes. Not even the exhaust mounts are the same design.
Earliest prototype
Later prototype
21C Lightweight Blackbird Edition
21C V Max
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To be honest I kind of got bored with it. Zero client deliveries so far as I can tell.Let's play a game called spot the difference with Czinger 21C engine bay.
It's crazy how many different versions they've been through. Although for a company in the business of iterative structural optimization and rapid prototyping, I wouldn't expect any less.
The weirdest part is how their two (supposedly) production models have totally different rear subframes. Not even the exhaust mounts are the same design.
Earliest prototype
Later prototype
21C Lightweight Blackbird Edition
21C V Max
Revvd
Meister Mechaniker
At least they keep testing/validating stuff so there's still hope they'll eventually start production.
But I'm with you, the waiting just sucks.
I thought it would be interesting to make a comparison of the maximum possible mass of some of the high downforce road cars. Mostly to see how much stress is put on the tires.
I gave each two 75 kg occupants and a full tank of fuel. Of course, I could go with heavier passengers plus cargo on top, but to do so would make the Valkyrie illegal.
- Czinger's downforce claim simply has to be bullshit, because it has by far the highest mass at top speed from all these cars.
- Evija is also very suspect both in its DF and weight claim.
- McMurtry is here purely for the giggles.
- Jesko's factory peak claim seems dubious, but at least it has active aero to alleviate some of the pressure and it runs front and rear heave springs to be able to handle it. 21C has neither of those!
- SVA'd Vulcan is a literal one-off exception, so we can disregard it.
- I'd say Valkyrie is the highest realistic entry for non-bespoke tires. In its unlimited form it was popping tires and so they clearly must have done the math to keep a safe margin for the production version.
Bridster
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Well, there are many questionable things about the whole car. The biggest one is road legality in general. Although they speak as if they will, so far they have showed no signs of ever intending to make the car road legal.
Engine? They talk as if they produced it from scratch, but, in fact, it's a Hartley H1V8. The same sort of design with two Hayabusa I4s put together, that ended up in the Atom V8 and the Radical SR8, except this time turbocharged. The problem with this is, the engine only lasts a couple thousand km and I have no clue how it ever passes emissions.
Safety? I mean, look at that front splitter! There is a reason that road cars don't have splitters that extend almost a foot beyond the front. I doubt that's legal either. And, any news that they passed any crash tests? Usually, you see hypercar companies bragging about this quite loudly - but nothing from Czinger, despite it being 4 years since they first revealed the car. The Divergent Blade - which is basically the same thing as this - goes back to 2015.
Also, as pointed out, they keep remaking the car every 5 minutes. It's cool that they are trying to assess the durability of their 3D printed parts, but that's something you do at start of your development, not at the end. It really seems like they are just playing around.
I can easily see this becoming a track car only. If it happens at all...
Engine? They talk as if they produced it from scratch, but, in fact, it's a Hartley H1V8. The same sort of design with two Hayabusa I4s put together, that ended up in the Atom V8 and the Radical SR8, except this time turbocharged. The problem with this is, the engine only lasts a couple thousand km and I have no clue how it ever passes emissions.
Safety? I mean, look at that front splitter! There is a reason that road cars don't have splitters that extend almost a foot beyond the front. I doubt that's legal either. And, any news that they passed any crash tests? Usually, you see hypercar companies bragging about this quite loudly - but nothing from Czinger, despite it being 4 years since they first revealed the car. The Divergent Blade - which is basically the same thing as this - goes back to 2015.
Also, as pointed out, they keep remaking the car every 5 minutes. It's cool that they are trying to assess the durability of their 3D printed parts, but that's something you do at start of your development, not at the end. It really seems like they are just playing around.
I can easily see this becoming a track car only. If it happens at all...
