GMA GMA T.50
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Gordon Murray Automotive (GMA) is a British automobile manufacturer of sports cars based in Shalford, Surrey, England. Founded in 2017 by former Formula 1 and McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray, the company's initial focus is on limited-run hand-built supercars. Its T.50 car entered production in 2023. Official website: Gordon Murray Automotive
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Describe the design? Are you disappointed or what?
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
bmwz4coupe
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What a design failure…
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
It would be a failure if they hadn't sold them all, but they have, so not a failure.
martinbo
Staff member
Quite clearly it was posted that it's a design failure which suggests a subjective appreciation of what the car looks like and not its commercial success.
The T50 is a success in spite of its looks. Its pursuit of what's possible in the art of driving is much more impressive than the art of its styling.
constalation
Schwarzwald Sprinter
Could the design have been better? Yeah, but its good, and compact, good looking even in dark blues r greens etc.
I would buy one over a W1 for example. Performance is temporary, emotions are irrational & forever.
I would buy one over a W1 for example. Performance is temporary, emotions are irrational & forever.
martinbo
Staff member
I would too.
I've no doubt that if you're passionate about driving, particularly the purity of an analogue, manual NA experience, then this is quite possibly the pinnacle of such an experience. I reckon, when you're driving it, you're not going to give a rat's arse what it looks like.
Moreover, you're likely so wealthy that you've got lots of other eye candy in the garage.
This, however doesn't change the fact that the car is visually unremarkable with its bland front end, gawky oversized headlights and messy (bordering on ugly) rear end.
bmwz4coupe
Subscriber
If you had read my message with more attention you would have seen that I didn’t write «sales failure». I didn’t even write «failure» in general. For me and many others this car is a massive design failure.
Even if I didn’t have any plans of buying this car anyway, it hurts to see this bad design in a car that is so perfect and desirable in all the other ways. The design is very important, especially in this type of car.
Jonathan19
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hoffmeister_fan
Kraftwagen König
IMO, the biggest T.50 design qualm are those headlights. The T.33 is a more visually appealing overall package.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
For me it isn't a design failure, I think it's a good looking car. Compared to others like the horrendous ugly W1, Zenvo, AMG One, Bohemia, Utopia & Turtara, I would happily own one, not that I will ever be able to afford any of them.
Gordon had a pretty simple brief, take the F1 and make it better, which IMO he did.
Revvd
Meister Mechaniker
We might have gone over this in the past, so correct me if I'm misremembering... Did they always quote 851 PS per tonne for T.50s? Because that's 772 PS / 907 kg. All the while they claim sub 900 kg.
And what's more, on road going T.50 the power to weight ratio points to a dry weight (672 PS per tonne = 670 PS / 997 kg). Am I to think that this 907 kg for T.50s is also dry weight?
And what's more, on road going T.50 the power to weight ratio points to a dry weight (672 PS per tonne = 670 PS / 997 kg). Am I to think that this 907 kg for T.50s is also dry weight?
First it was 835 PS per tonne per the press release, then it was 851 PS per tonne per the technical spefication sheet and it says TBA per the updated technical specifiation sheet from 24th of May 2023. Website still says 851 PS per tonne tho and I can't find the (updated) technical specification sheet anymore on the website but I downloaded it all in the past. See the attachments.
Revvd
Meister Mechaniker
Oh, so the ratio belongs to the old output of 710 PS (and it still doesn't match the 890 kg in the pdf).
Guess they just gave up on updating the mismatched stats on the website at some point.
My Week In Cars: New Steve Cropley/Matt Prior podcast (ep.116) | Autocar
Prior and Cropley head to Gordon Murray Automotive to talk sports cars with Dario Franchitti, four-time Indycar champion and GMA development driver, and Phil Lee, the CEO.
Autocar podcast where they talk to Dario Franchitti and Phil Lee. Not anything that exiciting but some things were that were said.
They are halfway through delivery of T.50. USA cars will be made next year. Production will be complete at around May/middle next year. After that the production of T.50s Niki Lauda starts. T.33 production will start in 2026 untill the end of 2028/early 2029, for all 3 variants. Gordon Murray also has his own T.50. 38 cars will be coming to the USA. There is one customer who already has done 3500 miles. And one customer picked up their car on a Friday and already was back on the next Wednesday for their first 600 mile service.
Jonathan19
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