SKY
Kraftwagen König
WOW!While on the subject - I saw this today and was amazed. The C217/W222 was peak MB interior design imo, but the C216 holds its own quite well almost 20 years on:
S-Class W223 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024
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The Mercedes-Benz W223 is the seventh generation of the S‑Class full-size luxury sedan, produced by Mercedes-Benz since 2020. It replaces the W222 S‑Class which had been produced since 2013.
Mr. Mercedes
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Mick how would you describe the driving dynamics of the W223 compared to the W222?
klier
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Haven't been keeping up, but that facelift interior is a triple A disaster.
Wish I hadn't seen it yet.
S class ruined for the rest of the gen. Hope they make a powerful comeback in like 3-4-5 years (if they intend to extend this generation, which I hope they won't). Truly the most forgettable S class in history.
S63 probably still is the best Autobahn cruiser ever made, but alas. They uglified the iconic grille with that God awful long in the tooth and overused sports grille or however they call it.
Wish I hadn't seen it yet.
S class ruined for the rest of the gen. Hope they make a powerful comeback in like 3-4-5 years (if they intend to extend this generation, which I hope they won't). Truly the most forgettable S class in history.
S63 probably still is the best Autobahn cruiser ever made, but alas. They uglified the iconic grille with that God awful long in the tooth and overused sports grille or however they call it.
mr.Mister
Bavarian Cruiser
The W221 was, and always will be, superior in quality to the W222.
In the W221 nothing squeaks or rattles, whereas in the W222 (especially the facelift) unfortunately, it often does.
Even just the buttons for the electric seats: in the W221 they’re cold aluminum, in the W222 they’re plastic with a fake silver edge and black piano lacquer plastic in the middle. That’s what you call a serious downgrade. In my V12 model, which has the extended wood trim package, the wooden elements even extend to the lower part of the doors, with a long chrome strip—a level of craftsmanship you now only find in a Rolls-Royce. Now just take a look at the sad state of materials in the W222 door panel.
The lower part of the doors in the W222 is made from harder plastic, as are the interior sills, while in the W221 they’re still made from extremely thick and soft plush.
The W221 had not yet been affected by Daimler’s cost-cutting program, whereas it sadly already began with the W222, and with the W223 it hit rock bottom—resulting in the W223 being disastrously assembled and built.
For me, the absolute current design masterpiece is the Genesis G90.
The car has barely any lines, an extremely organic shape, insanely wide rear haunches, a rear end that’s a modernized version of the C219’s, and a front end that—given it was penned by Bentley’s former head of design—looks like some ultra-futuristic Bentley… narrow low lights, a low front, short overhangs, and even the hood was made in a clamshell shape to avoid additional panel gaps—the car is pure perfection.
If there were a V8 with around 500 horsepower, I’d have already ordered it. As it stands, I’m still thinking about it, but I believe that—if I get a good leasing offer—I’ll replace my S600 W221 with a brand-new G90. The interior is just as impressive: every button has a cold, solid feel, every stitch is perfectly sewn, the seat quilting is immaculate, the combination of woods… even the cabin quality evokes that of Bentley. The W223 doesn’t even come close.
And that’s without even mentioning the concept coupe, which in my opinion is the pinnacle of the current automotive scene.
This is what the interior of a luxury car should look like—top-quality metal buttons, the finest leather, and just look at the headliner or the ambient lighting shining through the wooden inlays… absolutely insane!
In the W221 nothing squeaks or rattles, whereas in the W222 (especially the facelift) unfortunately, it often does.
Even just the buttons for the electric seats: in the W221 they’re cold aluminum, in the W222 they’re plastic with a fake silver edge and black piano lacquer plastic in the middle. That’s what you call a serious downgrade. In my V12 model, which has the extended wood trim package, the wooden elements even extend to the lower part of the doors, with a long chrome strip—a level of craftsmanship you now only find in a Rolls-Royce. Now just take a look at the sad state of materials in the W222 door panel.
The lower part of the doors in the W222 is made from harder plastic, as are the interior sills, while in the W221 they’re still made from extremely thick and soft plush.
The W221 had not yet been affected by Daimler’s cost-cutting program, whereas it sadly already began with the W222, and with the W223 it hit rock bottom—resulting in the W223 being disastrously assembled and built.
For me, the absolute current design masterpiece is the Genesis G90.
The car has barely any lines, an extremely organic shape, insanely wide rear haunches, a rear end that’s a modernized version of the C219’s, and a front end that—given it was penned by Bentley’s former head of design—looks like some ultra-futuristic Bentley… narrow low lights, a low front, short overhangs, and even the hood was made in a clamshell shape to avoid additional panel gaps—the car is pure perfection.
If there were a V8 with around 500 horsepower, I’d have already ordered it. As it stands, I’m still thinking about it, but I believe that—if I get a good leasing offer—I’ll replace my S600 W221 with a brand-new G90. The interior is just as impressive: every button has a cold, solid feel, every stitch is perfectly sewn, the seat quilting is immaculate, the combination of woods… even the cabin quality evokes that of Bentley. The W223 doesn’t even come close.
And that’s without even mentioning the concept coupe, which in my opinion is the pinnacle of the current automotive scene.
This is what the interior of a luxury car should look like—top-quality metal buttons, the finest leather, and just look at the headliner or the ambient lighting shining through the wooden inlays… absolutely insane!
The S500 beat the G90 comprehensively in the Car and Driver comparison test. Its powertrain and handling/comfort are in another league and untouchable.
SKY
Kraftwagen König
As expected. All this G90 nonsense is just happening in Sonder’s imagination. He just feels the need to share it with us, somehow.The S500 beat the G90 comprehensively in the Car and Driver comparison test. Its powertrain and handling/comfort are in another league and untouchable.
Mick Briesgau
Tire Trailblazer
Altough the airsuspension of W222 was very good, the one on the W223 is noticable better, I’d even say much better. In the NVH departement MB managed to make a remarkable quiet car even quieter. At the same time, both feel rather nimble, as far as the concept allows.
The steering on the W223 feels different, when manoeuvring at low speed. As If it has less steering wheel rotations. The turning circle feels/is larger. In parking garages, the W222 was easier manoeuvrable, handling better at low speed. And that’s not, because the wheelbase of W223 is a bit longer than that of the W222.
The brakes are different. I trend to brake in a gentle, foreseeable way, so that passengers don’t notice it (I hardly ever have passengers on board, but that’s another story). It was very easy to achieve in the old one, hard to achieve in the new one. Can’t put my finger on it, what it is.
As a whole, the driving dynamics of the W223 are better than those of the W222 and in this regard I would take a W223 over a W222 without even thinking.
My spot on remark to the post of @sl123 was regarding the differences in operating system, controling the car. The new touch heavy system is inferior to the system of the W222, with it’s push buttons and idrive knob. Imo voice control isn’t good enough to level it out.
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