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what is the highlight of the m256m engineAccording to jesmb.de the facelifted C AMG should get the M256M R6 engine.
what is the highlight of the m256m engineAccording to jesmb.de the facelifted C AMG should get the M256M R6 engine.
what is the highlight of the m256m engine
Heck they can even put the 2.5L version of the M256 in the C43. Or if they really want they can engineer a new 6 cylinder using the fancy tech of the M252 1.5L. The former would be a lot easier cause it's already in use in China.
I'm pretty sure the 2.5L M256 is just a shorter stroke on the same motor. But I could be wrong. Merc use a 2.5L variant of the M256 in the S class in China already. I can't imagine it's a completely different engine block.A 2.5L I6 would lose the modularity (cost savings) with the I4 and there’s really no need to make an investment in a brand new I6 at this stage. The 43 models are really put an odd position with no obvious answer other than hybrid power.
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This would make perfect sense, the C43 could use a standard CLE53 engine with 330kw/450PS and then the C53 will use the same engine but fitted with an electric motor hybrid powertrain from the E53 delivering 430kw/585PS and with performance launch mode of 450kw/612PS. It should be virtually as quick as the inline 4 C63 E-Performance but have an EV range of 80 to 90km and a beautiful 6 cylinder howl.Two very good things if true, renaming the top car the C53 and a I6 for the C43 also. That’s a really good solution if the V8 isn’t coming back.
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Issue is, its a huge risk to dump that investment money into a new V6, that may become illegal in Europe in a few years and with the US on its Tariff gimmick....well ROI would be a challenge.I-6 engines are known for their inherent smoothness and low-end torque but in performance applications thay sound like vacuum cleaners for the most part. The M256m is no exception. The M256 is a great engine but it is lacking in the emotional characteristic sound department. AMG needs to leave that one for the luxury cars.
AMG needs to up its portfolio with a genuine hand-built, hi-rev turbo V6 engine for the C63, (This engine could also be used for the E53, GT43, SL43 and GT43 models. This engine could easily be derived from M177 V8 or the M139 4 with the latest upgrades.
With the proper tuning and balance, V6 engines have the advantage of sounding better, can put out more toque at higher RPMs than in inline 6 and can fit in smaller engine compartments. I can understand Mercedes not wanting to put a V8 in the C63 because it would be bumping heads with the upcoming E63. Fitted with 4-Matic Plus, a hi-rev V6 would be the perfect match for the face/lifted C63 IMO.
This is, I suppose, why they're making an electric C class and an electric GLC.Sales of the C class are declining basically every year over here; from almost 8k in 2001 to less than 1k in 2024. Doubt it's much different in the rest of western EU countries.
All this talk about a V8 or inline 6 is absolutely matterless. This whole segment is dying off, particularly the ICE side of the story.
C AMG was selling quite well, the biggest problem was that the C63S was rwd only. You couldn't use it properly all year, in rain, in snow etc. Only usable for dry and warm weather. C43 sold quite well with V6. I expect new R6 sell pretty well too. Netherlands has high taxes on higher CO2 output models? That then shifts whole market just because of thatSales of the C class are declining basically every year over here; from almost 8k in 2001 to less than 1k in 2024. Doubt it's much different in the rest of western EU countries.
All this talk about a V8 or inline 6 is absolutely matterless. This whole segment is dying off, particularly the ICE side of the story.
Netherlands has high taxes on higher CO2 output models? That then shifts whole market just because of that
The GLC sells gangbusters and has long displaced the C class as the family car of choice from Merc. The heavy investment into GLC and electric GLC from Mercedes is telling. And likewise with the new NK X3Yeah, but the shift is more towards SUV. And in general, lots of other brands compete with good cars in this class these days. It's not a dig towards MB per se BTW, the same is happening for BMW, but to a lesser extend.
53< 63 and that will never happen even if it is logical…Two very good things if true, renaming the top car the C53 and a I6 for the C43 also. That’s a really good solution if the V8 isn’t coming back.
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The GLC sells gangbusters and has long displaced the C class as the family car of choice from Merc. The heavy investment into GLC and electric GLC from Mercedes is telling. And likewise with the new NK X3
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