S-Class W223 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024

[Swissbob]

You're once again making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.
Several business partners and acquaintances of mine own 6-cylinder S-Classes, and yes, at higher speeds and around town they have practically the same fuel consumption as the V8s. That’s an absolute fact, and it’s also logical: practically the same weight but less power – go back to school and learn some physics.
I don't know if you've heard, but there are different nuances of sound: the V8 in the 500 models (W140, W220, W221) is a beautiful blend of refinement and sportiness – not as "in your face" as the AMG models.
When I said "too raw," I wasn't just talking about the sound (which, in the current S63 W223, is honestly terrible, since the OPF completely muffles it), but about the entire configuration of the car – too aggressive design with too much plastic, an ugly grille with the central star, and a suspension that's too stiff for an S-Class.
You read superficially and then make silly and incorrect conclusions. Pay more attention to what I'm writing.

That’s the reason why I never had 6 cylinder S-Classes, TBH up to the 220 Mopf they were underpowered.

The 3.7L was the first okayish V6 S-Class, the 221 had the 3.5 4Valve which was even better.

The first acceptable 6 Cylinder was the S400 W222 with the M276 Bi-Turbo V6, this engine had finally some torque at low revs.

Biggest problem of the current S63 is the small trunk, fake sound inside and as you say the to stiff suspension.

I am absolutely annoyed that there’s no E-ABC suspension on the S680 Maybach, because this suspension needs 48V.

 

[mr.Mister]

Maybe you should go back to school so you can decipher your own bs. Practically the same is NOT the same. It either is the same or it isn’t. In actual testing they are NOT the same. Fact. I have a W140 S500 and the sound it makes is muffled at best. The rest is is just your preference, nothing factual. No need because I consider it nonsense.

M

Forget the tests written in the official brochure – I’m talking to you about the real world.
Six-cylinder engines in the S-Class consume the same as eight-cylinders, especially on the highway at higher speeds, where they have to work that much harder, while with a V8 you’re just gently touching the gas pedal – and in the city, where there's a lot of stop-and-go and they constantly have to move that weight from a standstill in first and second gear.
Once again: learn the basics of physics (the basic equation from Newton's Second Law of Motion: force = mass × acceleration) and you’ll understand.
Resting my case.


For me, the sound in the 500s (I've had W140, W220, W221) was always ideal: “masculine” enough when I pushed the car a bit, and restrained enough when I didn’t need that – ideal for my taste and for a car in the S-Class category (business/luxury sedan), but of course, the sound in my current V12 Bi-Turbo is even more pleasing.

 

[Merc1]

Forget the tests written in the official brochure – I’m talking to you about the real world.
Six-cylinder engines in the S-Class consume the same as eight-cylinders, especially on the highway at higher speeds, where they have to work that much harder, while with a V8 you’re just gently touching the gas pedal – and in the city, where there's a lot of stop-and-go and they constantly have to move that weight from a standstill in first and second gear.
Once again: learn the basics of physics (the basic equation from Newton's Second Law of Motion: force = mass × acceleration) and you’ll understand.
Resting my case.


For me, the sound in the 500s (I've had W140, W220, W221) was always ideal: “masculine” enough when I pushed the car a bit, and restrained enough when I didn’t need that – ideal for my taste and for a car in the S-Class category (business/luxury sedan), but of course, the sound in my current V12 Bi-Turbo is even more pleasing.

I said actual testing. I’m talking about from magazine testing in the real world, NOT OFFICIAL BROCHURES. You’re just plain wrong. They do not. A V8 is easily more thirsty around town. Maybe you need to follow your own advice.

M

 

[mr.Mister]

I said actual testing. I’m talking about from magazine testing in the real world, NOT OFFICIAL BROCHURES. You’re just plain wrong. They do not. A V8 is easily more thirsty around town. Maybe you need to follow your own advice.

M

Again... you're referring to magazines, which are often biased or even paid off, and whose journalists are fans of certain brands, so they don’t write objectively. I’m speaking from personal, first-hand experience – and that’s the most valuable perspective there is.

+ Which part of "learn the basics of physics (the basic equation from Newton's Second Law of Motion: force = mass × acceleration) and you’ll understand" and "resting my case" didn’t you understand?

 

[Merc1]

Again... you're referring to magazines, which are often biased or even paid off, and whose journalists are fans of certain brands, so they don’t write objectively. I’m speaking from personal, first-hand experience – and that’s the most valuable perspective there is.

+ Which part of "learn the basics of physics (the basic equation from Newton's Second Law of Motion: force = mass × acceleration) and you’ll understand" and "resting my case" didn’t you understand?

Oh so you’re one of those conspiracy theory nuts. Got it. So every magazine is paid, while we’re supposed to go by what your friends say? The magazines that don’t even like Mercedes say the same things concerning gas mileage. It’s a test, not some subjective belief. You aren’t measuring your gas mileage, and if you are let’s see it. I6 v V8 both tested on the same road at the same time.

What part of what you’re saying is not true don’t you understand? A V8 and 6/cylinder are not going to get the same exact gas mileage in every testing regimen.


M

 

[Tuffode]

Six-cylinder engines in the S-Class consume the same as eight-cylinders, especially on the highway at higher speeds, where they have to work that much harder, while with a V8 you’re just gently touching the gas pedal – and in the city, where there's a lot of stop-and-go and they constantly have to move that weight from a standstill in first and second gear.
Once again: learn the basics of physics (the basic equation from Newton's Second Law of Motion: force = mass × acceleration) and you’ll understand.
Resting my case.


For me, the sound in the 500s (I've had W140, W220, W221) was always ideal: “masculine” enough when I pushed the car a bit, and restrained enough when I didn’t need that – ideal for my taste and for a car in the S-Class category (business/luxury sedan), but of course, the sound in my current V12 Bi-Turbo is even more pleasing.

A 6 Cylinder S Class does not have 50 horsepower. It is plenty powerful for most cases, and honestly most drivers would not even notice the extra power of the V8 as they wouldn't put their foot deep enough into the accelerator to see the difference.

Saying a V8 S Class consumes the same as I6 is hilarious, and bringing Newton' Second Law of Motion into this makes it even more funny.

 

[mr.Mister]

Oh so you’re one of those conspiracy theory nuts. Got it. So every magazine is paid, while we’re supposed to go by what your friends say? The magazines that don’t even like Mercedes say the same things concerning gas mileage. It’s a test, not some subjective belief. You aren’t measuring your gas mileage, and if you are let’s see it. I6 v V8 both tested on the same road at the same time.

What part of what you’re saying is not true don’t you understand? A V8 and 6/cylinder are not going to get the same exact gas mileage in every testing regimen.


M

You're making a fool of yourself. I've driven both 6- and 8-cylinder S-Classes.
ON THE SAME ROUTE.
ON THE SAME HIGHWAY.
Do I need to draw it out for you? The 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.
Once again: the 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.


And with these words, I’m ending this pathetic debate. Think whatever you want.

 

[Swissbob]

You're making a fool of yourself. I've driven both 6- and 8-cylinder S-Classes.
ON THE SAME ROUTE.
ON THE SAME HIGHWAY.
Do I need to draw it out for you? The 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.
Once again: the 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.


And with these words, I’m ending this pathetic debate. Think whatever you want.

You should add, that’s in Germany, at 180-200kph, in that case the 6 banger needs much more revs, and therefore becomes inefficient.

 

[mr.Mister]

A 6 Cylinder S Class does not have 50 horsepower. It is plenty powerful for most cases, and honestly most drivers would not even notice the extra power of the V8 as they wouldn't put their foot deep enough into the accelerator to see the difference.

Saying a V8 S Class consumes the same as I6 is hilarious, and bringing Newton' Second Law of Motion into this makes it even more funny.

Not true.

The differences in horsepower
– W140 S280 (193 hp) and S500 (326 hp)
– W220 S320 (224 hp) and S500 (306 hp)
– W221 S350 (272 hp) and S500 (388 or 435 hp)
– W223 S450 (367 hp) and S580 (503 hp)
have always been significant between 6- and 8-cylinder engines — and if you understand a bit of physics, you’ll realize that there’s a huge difference, especially at higher speeds, especially if there are more people in the car, especially on highway inclines, etc. In these cases, the 6-cylinder’s fuel consumption is the same as the 8-cylinder’s — trust me, I’ve personally tested this countless times.
Well, if you don’t believe me, it won’t hurt me either – I’m just sharing my own experience.

 

[mr.Mister]

You should add, that’s in Germany, at 180-200kph, in that case the 6 banger needs much more revs, and therefore becomes inefficient.

Yup!

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

That’s the reason why I never had 6 cylinder S-Classes, TBH up to the 220 Mopf they were underpowered.

The 3.7L was the first okayish V6 S-Class, the 221 had the 3.5 4Valve which was even better.

The first acceptable 6 Cylinder was the S400 W222 with the M276 Bi-Turbo V6, this engine had finally some torque at low revs.

Biggest problem of the current S63 is the small trunk, fake sound inside and as you say the to stiff suspension.

I am absolutely annoyed that there’s no E-ABC suspension on the S680 Maybach, because this suspension needs 48V.

I'm going to be honest the AMG S classes were always a bit mad and incongruent.
And I think that is the entire point.
If you want just an excellent luxury limo, you get the S580. But you get the AMGs because you want something a bit spicy.

 

[Merc1]

You're making a fool of yourself. I've driven both 6- and 8-cylinder S-Classes.
ON THE SAME ROUTE.
ON THE SAME HIGHWAY.
Do I need to draw it out for you? The 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.
Once again: the 6-cylinders consumed just as much as the 8-cylinders.


And with these words, I’m ending this pathetic debate. Think whatever you want.

Go back and read what I said again. I said in every testing regimen. Yeah draw it out, video it, stream it live because you’re full of shit. Now You go to high speeds, but before it was around town, but oh wait initially the G90 had superior engine. All alternative facts.

M

 

[mr.Mister]

I'm going to be honest the AMG S classes were always a bit mad and incongruent.
And I think that is the entire point.
If you want just an excellent luxury limo, you get the S580. But you get the AMGs because you want something a bit spicy.

Absolutely true.
What bothers me is that they no longer know how to make an AMG version that’s still, how should I say, restrained in the classic S-Class way.
For me, the ideal is still the S55 AMG W220 – you can tell it’s not an ordinary S-Class; it’s sportier but maintains elegance and restraint. The new S63 AMG, at least for my taste, is way too much: too much extra plastic, air intakes, badges, exhausts, too many sporty rims and grille. Even the steering wheel looks ridiculous to me, since I’m not sitting in an ultra-sporty car but a luxury business sedan. I don’t know, it’s lost its elegance and is just too much… like a Honda Civic tuned by some young enthusiast with every possible accessory — in the end, it’s just too much of everything.
Just my humble opinion.

 

[Swissbob]

And it’s without the star on the hood. (S63)
I absolutely agree with you.

The forged rims are however very good looking.

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[mr.Mister]

Go back and read what I said again. I said in every resting regimen. Yeah draw it out, video it, stream it live because you’re full of shit. You go from high speeds to around town, but oh wait initially the G90 had superior engine. All alternative facts.

M

Wow, when arguments run out, all that’s left is a personal insult.
That says everything about you.

p.s.: Yes, it’s true — I mentioned both highway and city driving (and explained exactly why in both cases, go look it up), and at no point did I say the engine in the G90 is superior. In fact, if you scroll back, you’ll see I even said I’d personally love to have a proper V8 in it.
What I wrote about the G90’s engine is simply that it’s in no way worse than the six-cylinder in the W223.
AGAIN: you’re reading carelessly, and as a result, you’re making a complete fool of yourself — in front of me and everyone else.
Now, i'm really resting the case with you.

 

[Swissbob]

Not true.

The differences in horsepower
– W140 S280 (193 hp) and S500 (326 hp)
– W220 S320 (224 hp) and S500 (306 hp)
– W221 S350 (272 hp) and S500 (388 or 435 hp)
– W223 S450 (367 hp) and S580 (503 hp)
have always been significant between 6- and 8-cylinder engines

The W140 S320 had 231ps and 315Nm, the 500 had 480Nm, this was the reason.
W220 V6 315Nm but the car was lighter and 460Nm in the 500.
W221 350Nm to 530Nm/700Nm(Bi-Turbo)
W222 S400 333PS 480Nm S500 435PS/455PS S560 469PS and 700Nm
W223 S450 367PS(500Nm) S500 I6 449PS 560Nm, S580 503PS and 700Nm.

 

[Merc1]

Wow, when arguments run out, all that’s left is a personal insult.
That says everything about you.

p.s.: Yes, it’s true — I mentioned both highway and city driving (and explained exactly why in both cases, go look it up), and at no point did I say the engine in the G90 is superior. In fact, if you scroll back, you’ll see I even said I’d personally love to have a proper V8 in it.
What I wrote about the G90’s engine is simply that it’s in no way worse than the six-cylinder in the W223.
AGAIN: you’re reading carelessly, and as a result, you’re making a complete fool of yourself — in front of me and everyone else.
Now, i'm really resting the case with you.

No what you tried to say is that the I6 in the S500 is no better than the G90 V6 and that how we got on fuel economy. Because I said the S500 is both faster and more efficient than the G90. It is in fact worse. It doesn’t perform as well and is thirstier in actual real world testing. Someone post the link to the comparison test. Go look it up. So you’re wrong again. You keep saying something about a fool, who are you trying to convince?

M

 

[mr.Mister]

No what you tried to say is that the I6 in the S500 is no better than the G90 V6

yep and its true: its not

Because I said the S500 is both faster and more efficient than the G90.

on paper yes, in reality no

So you’re wrong again.

nope, you are - but we already know that, dont we?

You keep saying something about a fool, who are you trying to convince?

 

[Merc1]

yep and its true: its not


on paper yes, in reality no


nope, you are - but we already know that, dont we?

That’s it’s you’re done. Real world testing is not just on paper. Got a mirror handy?

M

 

[mr.Mister]

That’s it’s you’re done. Real world testing is not just on paper. Got a mirror handy?

M