IS/RC [Official] Lexus RC Coupe

[Merc1]

Nope. The chassis reinforcements are in the door panel (and in the trunk) to give extra torsional rigidity so it has nothing to do with the chassis unibody construction. It has a B-pillar as well, which coupes typically don't have (for added rigidity). My friend's similar sized E53 AMG does not have it (and it weighs 4600 lbs).

Ok great, I don't get the point of the discussion anymore really. The RC is too heavy to form the basis for the Supra, and I found it to be dull to drive. None of that is going to change so any number of reasons or excuses as to why it is this or that is really matterless at this point. It's hodgepodge of other Lexus cars underneath and it shows in the driving in MY experience.

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[330CIZHP]

LOL having owned an RCF for 10 months, I can totally see your blind bias against it (in favor of a 2 seat tiny Z4 platform with no practicality). It is totally fine and I support the Supra efforts even if I would never buy it.

Dull to drive? Your test drive told you that? Honest truth, many people have taken rides in my RCF and never have I seen anyone coming out without a huge grin on their face. I cannot imagine a scenario being dull to drive other than cruising on city roads at low rpms. If you have learned to drive it hard especially on a track, it is the furthest thing from being dull. When F1 racing car driver Christian Menzel is laughing hysterically drifting the RCF, you know it is not a dull car. That is the fact. I would not have this car, if it was dull to drive.

People's subjective opinions can lean in favor of their confirmation bias. I question why you need to be on the RCF thread for any other reason than drumming up your biased Z4 propaganda?

Ok great, I don't get the point of the discussion anymore really. The RC is too heavy to form the basis for the Supra, and I found it to be dull to drive. None of that is going to change so any number of reasons or excuses as to why it is this or that is really matterless at this point. It's hodgepodge of other Lexus cars underneath and it shows in the d...

 

[Merc1]

LOL having owned an RCF for 10 months, I can totally see your blind bias against it (in favor of a 2 seat tiny Z4 platform with no practicality). It is totally fine and I support the Supra efforts even if I would never buy it.

Dull to drive? Your test drive told you that? Honest truth, many people have taken rides in my RCF and never have I seen anyone coming out without a huge grin on their face. I cannot imagine a scenario being dull to drive other than cruising on city roads at low rpms. If you have learned to drive it hard especially on a track, it is the furthest thing from being dull. When F1 racing car driver Christian Menzel is laughing hysterically drifting the RCF, you know it is not a dull car. That is the fact. I would not have this car, if it was dull to drive.

People's subjective opinions can lean in favor of their confirmation bias. I question why you need to be on the RCF thread for any other reason than drumming up your biased Z4 propaganda?

Are you serious? Propaganda? That's the most ridiculous thing ever. As if I have some type of stake in either car. Yes dull on the same day I drove the M3. There is no bias, I'm just telling you what I found. Not sure why you keep trying to tell me what my experience was or what it should have been. I don't care how it drives on a track and so I don't need to learn how to do anything. I mean where do you get off telling me what I need to learn how to do? The car didn't impress me on the road which is where I drive. Yes people's subjective opinions lean in favor of their bias which is exactly what's happening with you. I didn't have any bias against the RC F when I went to drive it as I generally like Lexus and I commend them for having a honest to goodness naturally aspirated 5.0L V8, so no there was no built in bias. I was excited to drive the car. It disappointed. Get over it man. Quit trying to tell me what my experience should have been, it's bullshit.


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[330CIZHP]

Ok, straight up I pointed out you making incorrect statements that were not rooted in facts in an effort to make the RCF look bad. Hence, my strong belief you are biased against the RCF. I truly do. I have driven an M4 as well and no doubt it is stiffer with more midrange. While RCF is Jekyll/Hyde, it is extremely lively in spirited drives in aggressive modes. I even posted a B-road video to illustrate that. 'Dull' even comparatively speaking makes no sense unless being driven. There are no two ways about it.

A biased person makes statements without making sure they align with facts. I am not the one criticizing the Supra even though, I am not a fan of it. That is why I am not biased. You can see the Supra thread and my posts. It is you who went off the rails on the RCF on RCF thread for being recommended as a good platform to build a 2 + 2 practical Supra (like all of the other Supras had been in the past). You might disagree with it personally, but when you try to make something look bad to support your argument, your credibility will be called into question.

Are you serious? Propaganda? That's the most ridiculous thing ever. As if I have some type of stake in either car. Yes dull on the same day I drove the M3. There is no bias, I'm just telling you what I found. Not sure why you keep trying to tell me what my experience was or what it should have been. I don't care how it drives on a track and so I don'...

 

[Merc1]

Ok, straight up I caught you making incorrect statements that were not rooted in facts in an effort to make the RCF look bad. Hence, my strong belief you are biased against the RCF. I truly do. I have driven an M4 as well. While RCF is Jekyll/Hyde, it is extremely lively in spirited drives in aggressive modes. I even posted a B-road video to illustrate that. 'Dull' even comparatively speaking makes no sense. There are no two ways about it.

A biased person makes statements without making sure they align with facts. I am not the one criticizing the Supra even though, I am not a fan of it. That is why I am not biased. You can see the Supra thread and my posts. It is you who went off the rails on the RCF on RCF thread for being recommended as a good platform to build a 2 + 2 practical Supra (like all of the other Supras had been in the past). You might disagree with it personally, but when you try to make something look bad to support your argument, your credibility will be called into question.

Man get out of here with this bs, you didn't catch me doing anything IT IS ALL YOUR OPINION OR EXPEIENCE. Experiences differ. It was rooted in the fact that I drove it and found it lacking. Why do care so much how the car looks here? You can believe whatever you want, doesn't change anything that I said. I found it to be a dullard vehicle next to the M3 that I drove on the same day.

You haven't given any facts and you can't give any facts about how a car drives to anyone else. I did go off any rails I simply stated what I found and you're the one that has gone off the deep end with one excuse after another why the car is so heavy and then trying to tell me what my experience should have been. The truth is that you're just butt hurt that I said something negative about your car and you can't let it go at this point. I mean what's the end game here? You aren't going to re-write my experience or change it. So then what?

The RC would a terrible platform for the Supra, it's too heavy and doesn't drive that well in RCF or RC 350 F Sport forms. I'm not trying to make anything "look" bad I'm telling you what I experienced. You can't change or discredit it, so again get over it.

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[330CIZHP]

You wrote incorrect facts when you talked about the chassis. Do you want me to quote you again and prove why you were completely against the facts?

It is you who is biased because it is the first time I heard a car that pulls 0.95g on the lateral skidpad and 73 mph in slaloms as "dull". Never heard that every about a car. Remember, I am not criticizing Supra or M4 for anything, which is why your bias claim is nonsense since I am not arguing against something.

Regarding weight, everything is heavy these days. I did not find any post of yours where you criticized the RS5 or C63 or Alfa etc. for being heavy as they all weigh in the 3850 - 4100 lbs range as well. Why the double standard? Even a GT350R with no back seat is around 3800 lbs.

You can keep getting all riled up and disrepectful while I will keep the conversation civil and respectful.

Man get out of here with this bs, you didn't catch me doing anything IT IS ALL YOUR OPINION OR EXPEIENCE. Experiences differ. It was rooted in the fact that I drove it and found it lacking. Why do care so much how the car looks here? You can believe whatever you want, doesn't change anything that I said. I found it to be a dullard vehicle next to the M3...

 

[Merc1]

You wrote incorrect facts when you talked about the chassis. Do you want me to quote you again and prove why you were completely against the facts?

It is you who is biased because it is the first time I heard a car that pulls 0.95g on the lateral skidpad and 73 mph in slaloms as "dull". Never heard that every about a car.
Remember, I am not criticizing Supra or M4 for anything, which is why your bias claim is nonsense since I am not arguing against something.

You can keep getting all riled up and disrepectful while I will keep the conversation civil and respectful.
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I said that the car was heavy and dull to drive, that is what I found it to be. There ain't nothing incorrect about that. Then you started with all this bs about where the structural bracing is as if that matters when the end result is the same. If that is the first time you've heard then you should listen more because pulling a good number on a skid pad doesn't automatically equal fun to drive. You have got to be kidding me if you don't know this. Good numbers don't always mean fun to drive. Prior years AMGs and some current Audi RS models get this same description all the time so again you just lost the plot.

I wouldn't care if you were criticizing the Supra or the M3/M4 I wouldn't be butt hurt by it. What I'm sick of is you trying to tell me what my experience should have been or giving me a skid pad number to prove that I should have enjoyed the car more. It's specious BS. You just can't get over the fact that I don't share your opinion and as typical here you're going to keep harping on it until you think you can change something, but you can't. I found the car to be dull and lacking. End of story.

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[330CIZHP]

Ah OK. I have never seen you criticize the RS5 or any gen C63 for being too heavy. You can point me to where you might have. I would love to see that.

So you see Matt Farrah here (in a GSF that happens to be about 120 lbs heavier than the RCF and 7 inches longer with softer suspension) on a simple twisty road. You are telling me Matt is driving a "dull" car here? Is that the impression you are getting? Wht is different about his driving experience vs yours?

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[Merc1]

No one suggested that the C63 or RS5 be used for a Supra either, you can point me to where someone has? I would love to see that. Again you're just hurt that I didn't like the RC F. I already told you what my experience sorry if you can't grasp or accept it. GS F now? Nope. Didn't speak on it.

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[330CIZHP]

That is exactly my point. A GSF is 120 lbs heavier and much bigger than the RCF with more compliant ride yet, your "dull" argument has somehow morphed. Are you seriously going to tell me that GSF is more engaging than the RCF?

p.s. I am not hurt about anything. It makes no difference to me that you don't like the RCF. It is about what you stated. I am just calling you out on your bias where you prop'ed up the Supra by trashing the RCF on RCF forum. LOL.

Here is one of the RCF on a small, tight track where it is disadvantaged

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No one suggested that the C63 or RS5 be used for a Supra either, you can point me to where someone has? I would love to see that. Again you're just hurt that I didn't like the RC F. I already told you what my experience sorry if you can't grasp or accept it. GS F now? Nope. Didn't speak on it.

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[Merc1]

Yeah man you need some rest. You don't have a point. I didn't say anything about the GS F. NOTHING. So no my point about the RC F hasn't morphed into anything. Are you going to now tell me that I did?

P.S. yeah you are otherwise you wouldn't be still wasting time talking about this. Nope, no bias just what I experienced. You'll never change it. You can't.

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[330CIZHP]

Still have not explained to me, what are those people doing differently than how you drove where they are having so much fun while you find it "dull". You can hear an M4 CP owner praising how he really likes Lexus' interpretation. There has to be an explanation. Those people were paid by Lexus to make it appear very exciting?

Yeah man you need some rest. You don't have a point. I didn't say anything about the GS F. NOTHING. So no my point about the RC F hasn't morphed into anything. Are you going to now tell me that I did?

P.S. yeah you are otherwise you wouldn't be still wasting time talking about this. Nope, no bias just what I experienced. You'll never change it. You...

 

[Merc1]

Still have not explained to me, what are those people doing differently than how you drove where they are having so much fun while you find it "dull". There has to be an explanation. Those people were paid by Lexus to make it appear very exciting?

Sorry if you didn't get it the first time and that you feel the need to try to change one's experience.

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[330CIZHP]

Sorry if you didn't get it the first time and that you feel the need to try to change one's experience.

M

So, I were to reverse this and said "M4 was cr*p to drive and I found it boring and synthetic". You seriously are telling me no one would question my credibility?

I would never say that since it is against the most popular opinion and if majority of the people seem to like something, I must not be doing something right.

 

[Merc1]

So, I were to reverse this and said "M4 was cr*p to drive and I found it very boring and synthetic". You seriously are telling me no one would question my credibility?

I honestly wouldn't care if you did. I certainly wouldn't be arguing with you about it for 24 hours either.

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[330CIZHP]

I honestly wouldn't care if you did. I certainly wouldn't be arguing with you about it for 24 hours either.

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As I had said before, I have no issues with your personal opinion about it. Everyone is entitled to it. I am questioning you on how you used your own personal opinions, to criticize a platform. Again, no issues with you not liking it. Just because you personally did not like it, does not mean other people don't and that it is not an enjoyable platform. That is my point.

 

[Merc1]

As I had said before, I have no issues with your personal opinion about it. Everyone is entitled to it. I am questioning you on how you used your own personal opinions about it, to criticize a platform. Again, no issues with you not liking it. Just because you personally did not like it, does not mean other people don't and that it is not a great plat...

And I disagree with that completely based on my experience with the RC F and the RC 350 F Sport after driving them both extensively. Period. You can't change my experience or my opinion derived from it.

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[330CIZHP]

And I disagree with that completely based on my experience with the RC F and the RC 350 F Sport after driving them both extensively. Period. You can't change my experience or my opinion derived from it.

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FYI, RCF suspension/chassis is 80% different from the RC350 F-Sport. I drove both and the fact that you are putting in the same category, clearly shows lack of knowledge and experience. Would anyone reasonable say, I drove 335 and M3 and hated it? The experience difference is night/day in every way in reality for anyone who actually drove it. If you drove both blind folded, they don't even seem related. That is how big it is. Again, I don't care about your personal opinion. It is silly nonsense statements like that, which expose the unfair narrative.

 

[Merc1]

FYI, RCF suspension/chassis is 80% different from the RC350 F-Sport. I drove both and the fact that you are putting in the same category, clearly shows lack of knowledge and experience. The experience difference is night/day in every way in reality for anyone who actually drove it. If you drove both blind folded, they don't even seem related. That is...

See you know what your problem is that you're trying to find an angle here, but you can't. I didn't put anything in the same category. I said that I drove them both. They have different purposes. I mentioned them both because neither of them excel vs their competition and they lose every comparison test either of them are in vs their intended competition. NOT that they are in the same category. Where did I say they were in the same category? NO WHERE. You seem to lack basic common sense. I didn't compare the experience between the two either. It is your insistence on putting words in my post that expose your hell bent motives on trying to change what I said, but you can't.

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[330CIZHP]

LOL to anyone reading it, that is how it was phrased. To you it might not appear that way, but to anyone reading it, it is not obvious at all. I never talked about RC350 F Sport, yet you disagreed using both, which is why to a reader, it seems a 2 to 1 relationship.

Oh you are also incorrect that RCF has never won in its category. While it did lose mostly and I would not argue against that, it did win a few against the M4. The most famous one was Ben Barry of Evo declaring RCF Carbon/TVD over M4 and Mustang GT. It was not based on numbers, but driving experience.

1st – Lexus RC F

Think of the RCF as the place where a Nissan GT-R and a last-gen BMW M3 crossover and you’re somewhere close; the crazy Gundam-robot-like Japanese design, the barking V8, the frisky but perfectly balanced chassis, all of it feeds into a package that feels unique yet somehow déjà vu.

Baffled? Don’t be, the maths are compelling: Nissan GT-R styling and tech + previous-gen V8 M3 bombast and exuberance = winner.

See you know what your problem is that you're trying to find an angle here, but you can't. I didn't put anything in the same category. I said that I drove them both. They have different purposes. I mentioned them both because neither of them excel vs their competition and they lose every comparison test either of them are in vs their intended competitio...