AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE
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The Mercedes-AMG One (R50, previously known as Project One) is a limited-production plug-in dual hybrid sports car manufactured by Mercedes-AMG, featuring Formula One-derived technology. The Project One concept car was unveiled at the 2017 International Motor Show Germany by the then three-time F1 world champion and Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 driver, Lewis Hamilton and head of Mercedes-Benz, Dieter Zetsche. The production version of the AMG One was unveiled on June 1, 2022 and production began in August.
RacingLover
Tarmac Traveler
The acceleration of this car above 300km/h even looks neck breaking. It reaches 342km/h indicated with ease and looks like it could go well over 350km/h without breaking a sweat.
Moctecus
Bavarian Cruiser
Hopefully, Gercollector will actually go through with measuring his car so we can put some numbers to it.
As for top speed, the front electric motors are geared to reach their 50,000 rpm rev limit at the car's electronically-limited top speed of 352 kph. So even if they ignored tyre loads and disabled the limiter, going any faster would require a different gearing for those motors.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
AbsoluteUnit
Kraftkurve King
I wonder if AMG could get more mileage out of this car's chassis if they replaced all the hybrid componentry with just a simple V8? Its about 1660kg with all the batteries, motors, cooling, emissions equipment for that insane F1 powertrain. But if you got rid of all that crap, and just gave it the GT Black's motor and a simple DCT from Xtrac or something , I'm sure you could bring it down to like 1200kg.
It'd be a million times more reliable, and lightning fast.
I guess that might defeat the purpose, but a fun thought experiment nonetheless. Call it the AMG Two or something lmao.
It'd be a million times more reliable, and lightning fast.
I guess that might defeat the purpose, but a fun thought experiment nonetheless. Call it the AMG Two or something lmao.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
1200KG with a turbocharged V8 isn't possible. Look to McLaren Koenigsegg etc.
AbsoluteUnit
Kraftkurve King
Even still, I'm sure they could get it lighter.
Of course it's possible. Whether the package you're then offering is what people want to pay these massive asking prices for is less likely.
Pagani has a Turbocharged V12 and it can get the Utopia down to 1280kg. So definitely possible.
Fastpaddy
Tarmac Traveler
Its most definitely possible
bmwz4coupe
Subscriber
T50 is under 1000 kg but only Gordon and God knows how this was measured….
WBarnes
Subscriber
F40, 288...
Revvd
Meister Mechaniker
lol at AMG Two.
It's funny how back in 2018, Moers said the car is between 1300 and 1400 kg. God knows what weight standard that was supposed to be... Or if the battery was included.
Four years of weight creep later (and 100 kg in cats alone)... 1660 kg
Speaking of tire loads... I wonder if the car can reach its declared top speed using track mode. Unless they resort to downforce bleeding, they fell short of Moers' aforementioned downforce claim.
Apples to apples, Utopia is somewhere between 1340 and 1360 kg to AMG One's 1660 kg. Even the old Zonda F Clubsport was couple of kilos over 1300.
Bridster
Oversteer Expert
Hold, on, hold on. The AMG One was never gonna be "1200kg" no matter what engine they put into it.
The Utopia is 1280kg DRY, likely about 1430kg DIN. That's the wrong comparison, though, because the AMG One is an AWD hybrid, right? Hybrid, with a lot of batteries and both front and rear e-motors. What are some of the other cars of this configuration that we know? 918 at 1650kg. SF90 at 1800kg. Revuelto at 1950kg. Valhalla is targeted at 1550kg dry (likely 1700kg DIN).
As to the question whether the car would be lighter with a different engine, a road car engine - like the M178 4L TT V8 used in the AMG GT BS - yeah, maybe. If we stick only to the listed weights, the F1 engine weighs at least 145kg. That's 145kg for the whole "unit", which, I think, includes the battery and even some of the e-motors. On the other hand, though, it has been reworked and strengthened so it's possible that the real weight is higher. Regardless, the real offender in this case is the exhaust system which allegedly weighs over 100kg. So let's say we remove 40kg for the battery and e-motors, and add 20kg for strengthening, etc. This results in 225kg for engine+exhaust.
Looking at the M178, it's listed as weighing 209kg dry. That's usually without turbos and intercoolers, so the real weight in running order is probably substantially more, but then again, I am not sure if the F1 is weighed with the turbo, intercoolers and piping either. Then we can add, let's say, 10kg for the exhaust, and the weights are very similar: 225kg vs 219kg. However, the F1 engine only provides 574PS, while the M178 provides 750PS in the Valhalla tune, and could probably be pushed further to at least 800PS.
In short, if MB used the M178, the car would probably weigh about the same, but it would have 200PS+ more. Alternatively, using 200PS/L as a fairly conservative estimate, a new 3L V6 could have been developed by MB for the car, which would have likely been ~50kg lighter and provided at least 600PS.
In any case, even with the car being as stripped as it is, with so much power coming from batteries - and the extra weight resulting from that - the car was never gonna be less than about 1600kg. Maybe 1500kg if they really went to the nth degree on everything and the team was run by a genius. I don't know how you guys are dreaming up 1200kg.
The Utopia is 1280kg DRY, likely about 1430kg DIN. That's the wrong comparison, though, because the AMG One is an AWD hybrid, right? Hybrid, with a lot of batteries and both front and rear e-motors. What are some of the other cars of this configuration that we know? 918 at 1650kg. SF90 at 1800kg. Revuelto at 1950kg. Valhalla is targeted at 1550kg dry (likely 1700kg DIN).
As to the question whether the car would be lighter with a different engine, a road car engine - like the M178 4L TT V8 used in the AMG GT BS - yeah, maybe. If we stick only to the listed weights, the F1 engine weighs at least 145kg. That's 145kg for the whole "unit", which, I think, includes the battery and even some of the e-motors. On the other hand, though, it has been reworked and strengthened so it's possible that the real weight is higher. Regardless, the real offender in this case is the exhaust system which allegedly weighs over 100kg. So let's say we remove 40kg for the battery and e-motors, and add 20kg for strengthening, etc. This results in 225kg for engine+exhaust.
Looking at the M178, it's listed as weighing 209kg dry. That's usually without turbos and intercoolers, so the real weight in running order is probably substantially more, but then again, I am not sure if the F1 is weighed with the turbo, intercoolers and piping either. Then we can add, let's say, 10kg for the exhaust, and the weights are very similar: 225kg vs 219kg. However, the F1 engine only provides 574PS, while the M178 provides 750PS in the Valhalla tune, and could probably be pushed further to at least 800PS.
In short, if MB used the M178, the car would probably weigh about the same, but it would have 200PS+ more. Alternatively, using 200PS/L as a fairly conservative estimate, a new 3L V6 could have been developed by MB for the car, which would have likely been ~50kg lighter and provided at least 600PS.
In any case, even with the car being as stripped as it is, with so much power coming from batteries - and the extra weight resulting from that - the car was never gonna be less than about 1600kg. Maybe 1500kg if they really went to the nth degree on everything and the team was run by a genius. I don't know how you guys are dreaming up 1200kg.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
Air bags, Emissions equipment, Sound deadening, Crash compliancing, it's impossible now.
Homologation makes it impossible.
Tourbillon
Cornering Kingpin
mihc
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In sport auto supertests weight with full tank for Zonda S was 1388kg and for Zonda F 1371kg. Huayra BC Roadster was in Quattroroute figured at 1498kg with full tank plus extra 100kg for driver and luggage. So basically 1398kg was the real weight with full tank of fuel.
That's the dry weight.
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