Polestar 2 Polestar 2

[SCOTT27]

I actually like that choices are limited. I‘m tired of options encyclopedias that give me bad feelings in all kinds of ways.

Yes but do you not think they all sound like Songs from SEAL?
I mean where is windchime or my personal favourite virtue signal.

 

[Cashmere]

What lags?

Just like the Jaguar iPace and Audio ETron, The Polestar has a bigger battery with slower performance, lower range. Also no self driving tech and no charging infrastructure. For a car thats still +1 year away from release, it's not even on par with the current benchmark. In any case, I applaud Volvo for trying something different.

Nobody really cares about platform stuff, or even tech in general. People have no problem buying new models with 10+ years old tech on board so why should they bother now?

This sounds more like your opinion. The EV car segment is the fastest growing market and is growing exponentially YOY. If people had no problem buying 10+ year old tech then the EV car market would not be growing. EVs are essentially a computer on wheels, so technology is only going to become an increasingly significant differentiator.

It’s also apparently vegan, now if this is the case I won’t be buying, I love leather seats I’m not happy about the idea of vegan leather.

Hang in there bud. I'm sure somebody will eventually commission your dream car with a hydrogen powertrain and leather seats.

 

[KiwiRob]

Isn’t the Polestar going to use the Tesla supercharger network? I read this on a Facebook page.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

It’s also apparently vegan, now if this is the case I won’t be buying, I love leather seats I’m not happy about the idea of vegan leather.

Volvo always have to be so green, safe and trendy...!

 

[DjordjeC63]

The Polestar has a bigger battery with slower performance, lower range.

4kwh bigger battery and very, very similar 0-100kmh as Model 3 long range. WLTP for Polestar 2 is (targeted) 500km, Model 3 long range is 560km. Tbh, will both cars be able to replicate those results in tests? What if somebody overrates or underrates its figure?

Also no self driving tech and no charging infrastructure.

from Wired co uk:

The Polestar 2 has Pilot Assist semi-autonomous driving, LED matrix adaptive high-beam lights and automatic emergency braking.

from techradar

The company, which is jointly owned by Volvo and Chinese automaker Geely, says it's working with the owners of public charging networks so drivers can juice up whenever they need to.

Tesla, meanwhile, is planning to expand its Supercharger network throughout Europe this year, but recently ended its free referral program and raised pricesby 10%. If Polestar can offer a more affordable alternative, it may be in with a chance of eating Elon Musk's lunch.

And lets talk about advantages of Polestar - better interior. But really a miles better interior!


Btw Model 3 is smaller car than Audi E tron.

 

[Busty]

This sounds more like your opinion. The EV car segment is the fastest growing market and is growing exponentially YOY. If people had no problem buying 10+ year old tech then the EV car market would not be growing. EVs are essentially a computer on wheels, so technology is only going to become an increasingly significant differentiator.

No, it's not really just my opinion. However, it may also not be publicly accessible fact, as it's mostly based on the data my team and I collected by order of third parties. Nevertheless, several particles of it can also be researched online.
When I say "most people don't really care about how old their car is tech-wise" I'm referring to countless interviews we conducted over decades with buyers of late-cycle/long-cycle models. It was surprising to me that, especially in higher segments and very often among buyers, people often don't care if the vehicle they buy actually had been developed >10 years ago and doesn't meet latest standards at all. Many don't know any spec details. Only recently, we did a benchmarking thing with SUVs and among GLE/GLE coupe/GLS users there was quite a substantial amount not showing any interest in new models but instead claiming they will buy final production predecessors. This was particularly striking as, in this case, the old model had a particularly long tech cycle and the old-new-delta is pretty massive.
Now, the E market is still immature and virtually nobody really knows what exactly will happen. You're right, the market is growing rapidly BUT still we're talking about rather small absolute numbers. AND: E customers are a rather special breed. Some collegues and I have tried to study and collect data on this community starting in 2012, some of us even went undercover . Let's put it like this: E customers differ a lot across time and markets. Also, variance in technological knowledge is huge. There are about 1/3 average, low-key users, 1/3 real specialists but another third wisenheimers thinking that driving an e car qualifies them to explain the world to all those anti-Elon rednecks. The specialists know everything about their car, charging physics, battery chemistry but also about energy issues around their homes, etc. The others know what Elon said during his presentation or on Twitter. Since the specialists, at least in Europe, are often true pioneers, lots of them started dealing with the topic of electrification long before any mainstream trend emerged and were socialized with little plastic boxes in the late 70s/80s. The majority of those still mostly drive (again, in Europe) small BEVs such as Twizy, ZoE or i3. Long story short: those who might understand how avantgarde their vehicle's battery, plattform etc. are obviously don't care too much about pissing contest numbers and those who do often lack the technical expertise.
I'm aware there are exceptions to this. What is bothering me most is this: the number of so-called car experts who actually did not care about cars before Tesla hit the market and do not care (or even know anything) about cars that have been there before is growing at an insane pace. Those folks often make very bold claims and arrogantly void technological achievements 'old' OEMs made for them. Imo, those voices should not be the only ones to define what a modern car is or is not.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

No, it's not really just my opinion. However, it may also not be publicly accessible fact, as it's mostly based on the data my team and I collected by order of third parties. Nevertheless, several particles of it can also be researched online.
When I say "most people don't really care about how old their car is tech-wise" I'm referring to countless inter...

Would you tell us what the difference is in the opinion between a private customer and a fleet customer on this matter.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Since Volvo's design renaissance began with the XC90, their designs have been hits, this is, IMO, their first miss. And for a miss, it's not that bad of a miss. I do like the interior very much.

Regarding the tech, that'd would require me to read about it, and right now I am in no mood to read about BEV tech as I have past my scheduled early evening coffee break and fear I will doze off.

 

[Busty]

Would you tell us what the difference is in the opinion between a private customer and a fleet customer on this matter.

I fear there is not much I can tell you since I did not collect any data on e mobility with fleet customers, well fleet customers outside the OEM context to be precise. We have worked with the Drive Now, Car2Go and Fleetboard guys, for instance but not with rentals or other owners of large company fleets etc. But mostly, they are very pragmatic and don‘t tend to say: „Well, I don‘t buy this ‚all-new‘ Golf VI Volkswagen is trying to sell me because tech-wise it‘s still a Golf V“ but instead they just go for attractive deals for 0miles cars. The big rental companies, of course, need cars on their lot that don‘t look like phase-out models. Never heard that the age of the underlying platform was the thought-terminating cliché.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Man, this car is growing on me. Has some cool detail solutions and the quality seems to be on point.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Vegan interior?! That is sooooo Volvo wanna-be-green-and-trendy.....

 

[KiwiRob]

I hope they make a station wagon version, I don’t really want an electric SUV, I want an electric station wagon! I would have though this would have been a no brainer for Volvo!

 

[DjordjeC63]

Vegan interior?! That is sooooo Volvo wanna-be-green-and-trendy.....

They can eat interior if they get hungry?

 

[Matski]

Vegan interior?! That is sooooo Volvo wanna-be-green-and-trendy.....

You may joke but I can see the value in this. My sister is a vegan for animal cruelty and exploitation reasons, and she's based 2 car purchases on who can sell her a car without a leather steering wheel cover. The struggle is real!

 

[DjordjeC63]

In 2003. she could buy E class with plastic steering wheel.
So, when we eat cows meat, we should throw away skin?

 

[Matski]

In 2003. she could buy E class with plastic steering wheel.
So, when we eat cows meat, we should throw away skin?

She's gone Peugeot for the last two cars. There are others out there but dealers prefer to sell forecourt stock.

As for cows, meat and leather... If you think that consuming dead animals is a bad thing, you're unlikely to be okay with running your hands over the skin that was peeled from its flesh everytime you get in the car, or want to support the economics that allows it. Plus, since the animal is dead and you've literally shit its existence down the toilet, how bad do you think discarding the leather is going to seem?

 

[Yaz]

They're going places

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[sako97]

A lot of ex-Volvo owners now drive Teslas. This is a cool way to win that clientele back.

 

[KiwiRob]

Since Volvo's design renaissance began with the XC90, their designs have been hits, this is, IMO, their first miss. And for a miss, it's not that bad of a miss. I do like the interior very much.

Regarding the tech, that'd would require me to read about it, and right now I am in no mood to read about BEV tech as I have past my scheduled early...

I think the fix is pretty simple, it needs the Volvo grill. See how much better it looks!

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I think the positioning of the car and brand is spot on. This is not just an electric cross over Volvo. It looks like much more. Plus pricing is surprisingly low. Would have expected this to be around $65k but it's $55k.