XE [Spy Shots] 2016 Jaguar XS Spy Shots (Codenamed X760)

[Merc1]

I hate to even ask again Kilcrohane, but why do you dislike JLR so much? Are you a former employee? Did you get burned by one of their products? Were you injured due to a design flaw in one of their vehicles? What is the source for so much animus?

On another note, I think we all (not you of course) enjoy British cars. Even the hardest of the German car fans here can respect something from Jaguar, Bentley, Aston or Rolls. What would the world be like if all we had to choose from were German only? Boring IMO.

M

 

[mini_cooper4]

But guys... Kilcrohane is the only one that stays on topic here.
There's logic in what he says and I'm also eager to find out if all the "new" engines Jaguar is about to introduce... are actually new and engineered by Jag.
He dislikes JLR... but he already shared with us the reasons behind that and they are logical.

 

[Deckhook]

But guys... Kilcrohane is the only one that stays on topic here.
There's logic in what he says and I'm also eager to find out if all the "new" engines Jaguar is about to introduce... are actually new and engineered by Jag.
He dislikes JLR... but he already shared with us the reasons behind that and they are logical.

This may be true but it's the way he posts which suggests a hidden agenda, so if you can tell me why he dislikes the brands so much please do because I'm all ears.

 

[Kilcrohane]

^ Deckhook, mate, I get it, I really do. I got it the first time you said it, about 763 times ago. you think I'm a ****.

Now, back to the thread. Looks like someone at Gaydon is reading Germancarforum.

No sooner is doubt cast on Jaguar's 'new' engines in the 2016 MY '3 series-killer' Jaguar XS, off the back of the Motor Authority article above, with suspicions that the 'new' 4 cylinder may just be a Ford, and JLR's PR machine cranks up again and uses its ever faithful mouthpiece to dazzle the sap readers with tales of £2.5 bn a year R&D spend, a global expansion so huge that even poor old Ferdinand Piëch himself must be reaching for the valium in Wolfsburg this morning, upon hearing this earth-shattering news, er, recycled for the umpteenth time:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-land-rover-invests-big-league

funny how that £2,500,000,000 a year couldn't run to a separate block casting for the 'new' petrol V6, though. Obviously the price of castings must be in the multi-billion pound league now, as JLR would never lie.

 

[Deckhook]

^ Deckhook, mate, I get it, I really do. I got it the first time you said it, about 763 times ago. you think I'm a c*nt.

I never said the words or was was I suggesting as much and neither am I the only one here questioning your motives, just curious as to why you are so negative to a company that has produced some marvelous motors over the years and continues to provide a credible alternative to the Germans.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

^ Deckhook, mate, I get it, I really do. I got it the first time you said it, about 763 times ago. you think I'm a c*nt.

You really are nasty piece of work. Just by putting one asterisk in place of a letter doesn't change the fact that you chose to write the most vile and mysoginistic word you could use. Is there really any need for that at all?

Besides which, Deckhook never even called you anything remotely like that.

Now go away and crawl back in the gutter where your language will fit in.

 

[klier]

On another note, I think we all (not you of course) enjoy British cars. Even the hardest of the German car fans here can respect something from Jaguar, Bentley, Aston or Rolls. What would the world be like if all we had to choose from were German only? Boring IMO.

M

I get what you are saying, and I enjoy English cars too, but come on now....Bentley and Rolls are 100% German, Aston makes pretty cars that are horribly aged and not competitive on any level, and Jaguar...hmmm.....

On the other hand....I adore the new RR Sport, and the new Range is pretty decent if I may say so.

 

[Kilcrohane]

I get what you are saying, and I enjoy English cars too, but come on now....Bentley and Rolls are 100% German, Aston makes pretty cars that are horribly aged and not competitive on any level, and Jaguar...hmmm.....

On the other hand....I adore the new RR Sport, and the new Range is pretty decent if I may say so.

- a message that bears repeating, as the English still, and probably never will, come to terms with the fact that there is no British car industry, only a car industry in Britain.

Why a Jaguar or Land Rover should be deserving of any more regard than a Toyota from Burnaston or a Honda from Swindon, or a Vauxhall from Ellesmere Port or Luton, when Jaguar has been wholly foreign-owned for nearly 25 years, and Land Rover for nearly 20 years, is beyond my understanding.

For some reason, English people still regard Jaguar and Land Rover as somehow British, still de facto belonging to them, even though all control resides in Bombay, and the majority of the two marques' technology still comes from American and German sources, like the Ford-built and designed V8 diesel, and the German built and designed automatic gearbox.

There really is nothing, objectively viewed, British about a Lincoln LS-based Jaguar XF, with a French designed Ford engine made in Dagenham and a ZF 'box from the shores of Lake Constance.

 

[klier]

There really is nothing, objectively viewed, British about a Lincoln LS-based Jaguar XF, with a French designed, Ford engine made in Dagenham and a ZF 'box from the shores of Lake Constance.

Guess it's the whole package and the design that makes it a Jaguar...like, the parts are nothing but the sum makes it a Jaguar or Range Rover

 

[Kowalski]

There are English people who still regard Ford as an English brand, even though Fords are developed in Germany and USA and Ford no longer make cars in England.

 

[Deckhook]

Regardless who now owns/control these fine brands the point is that they are still currently built in Britain by mainly a British work force as has always been the case, this in my opinion is different from a foreign brand choosing to setup a factory here to assemble cars for the British market though I welcome the fact they are doing so.

Oh and though off-topic for those that don't know Volkswagen's history it thanks to the British Army and one man in particular Major Ivan Hirst that they owe their very existence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1945-1948:_British_Army.2C_Major_Ivan_Hirst.2C_unclear_future

 

[mini_cooper4]

This may be true but it's the way he posts which suggests a hidden agenda, so if you can tell me why he dislikes the brands so much please do because I'm all ears.

I'd like to but he already did that in several threads
...but just two points:
1. They are not reliable - Fact
2. Are not on par with the competition from Germany - Fact

PS: When I was a kid I always thought Jaguar were way above BMW and Mercedes.
Tho even back then... they weren't. When I grew up I started seeing them as premium Fords... which they are.
I do love the exterior of the FL XF and will most likely fall in love with the XS but there are too many deal breakers with JLR.

 

[Deckhook]

I'd like to but he already did that in several threads
...but just two points:
1. They are not reliable - Fact

I can only speak from my personal experience of Jaguar which was extremely reliable, great car and arguably the best I've owned along with the S4 but for different reasons.

And there's also this.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-tops-jd-power-survey

2. Are not on par with the competition from Germany - Fact

In some ways I completely agree with this but in others I rate Jaguar ahead of the Germans in styling inside and out and more importantly ride/handling balance.

 

[mini_cooper4]

I can only speak from my personal experience of Jaguar which was extremely reliable, great car and arguably the best I've owned along with the S4 but for different reasons.

And there's also this.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-tops-jd-power-survey



In some ways I completely agree with this but in others I rate Jaguar ahead of the Germans in styling inside and out and more importantly ride/handling balance.

In some ways I also agree with the bold part.

I still keep the opinion that they are far from reliable

 

[Deckhook]

In some ways I also agree with the bold part.

I still keep the opinion that they are far from reliable

If I had had a bad experience with my Jag I would probably have a different opinion but I didn't which is why I rate them highly, but the UK version of JD Power has also rated their reliability highly over recent years which suggests to me they are better than many here think.

 

[mini_cooper4]

If I had had a bad experience with my Jag I would probably have a different opinion but I didn't which is why I rate them highly, but the UK version of JD Power has also rated their reliability highly over recent years which suggests to me they are better than many here think.

I have my own reasons to not have 100% trust in the UK JD
It's nice to hear there's a happy owner

 

[Kilcrohane]

I have my own reasons to not have 100% trust in the UK JD

+1.

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability-press-release.htm

The U.S. is a much bigger market than UK, obviously, so it should be prone to less statistical quirks. The U.S. is also still Jaguar's biggest and most important, as it has to compete toe to toe with all the important marques in the most price-competitive market in the world.

From the above, JD Powers' latest U.S. dependabilty survey, for 3 yr old - 2010 - cars, Jaguar has gone backwards, under Tata ownership, after climbing steadily to near industry best under Ford.

Ford dragged Jaguar up from the pits of the Browns Lane site in 1989 to near Lexus, Mercedes-Benz production quality levels by the time they threw the towel in, in 2008.

Tata, contrary to the BS, has overseen Jaguar's slide back down to almost pre-Ford's time mediocrity, supported by anecdotal information of unresolved problems with the XF, after nearly five years of production. Go to XFforum to see how even Jaguar brand lovers have to deal with all manner of recurring problems with their 'quality' products.

 

[Hofmeister]

I can only speak from my personal experience of Jaguar which was extremely reliable, great car and arguably the best I've owned along with the S4 but for different reasons.

And there's also this.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-tops-jd-power-survey



In some ways I completely agree with this but in others I rate Jaguar ahead of the Germans in styling inside and out and more importantly ride/handling balance.

I'm basing this on the JD Power Survey 2012 results which featured in the July 2012 issue of What Car. From reading this, a cars overall reliability cannot be accurately judged, as it is afterall a customer satisfaction survey. " How was the overall score decided? Each category was weighted according to how important owners rated. The total scores awarded by owners were split as follows: vehicle quality and reliability (22%), vehicle appeal (31%), dealer service satisfaction (22%) and ownership costs (25%)." So, considering that British Jaguar owners aren't exactly going to be unbiased, and actual vehicle reliability only accounts for a fifth of the overall score, and Jaguar has a significantly smaller model range and dealer network than its German competitors, it's fair to say that JD Power UK survey results should be taken with a considerable serving of salt. This link in particular is very interesting.
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/wha...ey-2012/results-by-brand--25th-to-30th/263555

 

[Deckhook]

^you could easily spin that right back at you with US brands doing rather well in US JD Power.

 

[mini_cooper4]

^you could easily spin that right back at you with US brands doing rather well in US JD Power.

You cannot know how they will perform in other JDs as they are mainly sold in NA and nowhere else