Politics The end of the Trump Presidency

[David Brent]

So @hoffmeister_fan you're telling me that the BMW belongs to a government employee? Btw, what is going on in that video? Cyclists protesting?

You tell us what's happening, you posted it. It must have had some relevance to the topic of this thread. Why did you post it?

 

[J.E]

You tell us what's happening, you posted it. It must have had some relevance to the topic of this thread. Why did you post it?

You can't blame me for thinking that what's happening there is probably related to the political animosity in the U.S right now.

 

[WBarnes]

LOL, not going to get Prime so I can watch Cerno lisping some conspiracy theory BS why Trump is a choir-boy and everyone is out to get him.

Well, I guess you'll only listen to the BS on mainstream media then.

That is some what-aboutism right there.

When a person calls himself and revels in being called a dirty trickster and has a long history of duplicity like Roger Stone or you have a dolt of an attorney like Sidney Powell or that gigantic doofus like Devin Nunes as a character-witness, they would make any person or group infinitally more credible. And I don't say that because they are associated with Trump, I say that because anyone with a shred of self-respect, concern with their own credibility and reputation would best avoid trying to hitch their wagon to him. That is why any reputable law firm will not represent him and you have dum-dums like Giuliani representing him because a) Trump has well-known reputation for stiffing people on bills, and b) he's just a terrible client.

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but when you cite a movie like this as a way to explain why there's even an iota of justification for storming the Capitol in seditious manner, I can no longer.

Okay, well the FBI pursuit of his administration from day 1 was BS, and the fact that Hillary Clinton was onboard with it is proof enough for me that it's a sham. But it makes for a great story, evil president takes over and supporters attempt coup. Here's to a long line of great media stories est. 1975.

 

[WBarnes]

A large number of the Trump supporters who stormed the Capitol are QAnon conspiracy theory believers. They think Trump is waging a war against Satan-worshipping paedophiles in government, business and the media. Trump has described these people as "people who love our country".

Don't try to rationalise their behaviour.

You would hope that isn't true, but when MP paedophilia has happened historically how long do they take to come to light? And when Epstein somehow committed suicide in his cell while on suicide watch, while there was an unauthorised guard on duty, guards falsified records, his cellmate was transferred and the CCTV failed just beforehand, one would have to question whether there is some kind of conspiracy is at play surely (perhaps not the one mentioned though)? I mean, the possibility that this all legitimately happened by chance is actually less likely than the possibility that Satan himself did it.

 

[WBarnes]

There you go again with your false equivalence.
Nobody stormed Capitol building 4 years ago.
What we witnessed 4 years ago was a protest; what we witnessed last week was an insurrection; yuuuuuge bigly difference. So it will be best if you stop trying to stretch something that has no elasticity.
So here are the facts:
1. There was no 1st attempt, this is the first attempt.
2. A protest is not an insurrection. There are legal protest, there are no legal insurrection conversely there are illegal protest but there are no illegal insurrections.Get it.

Well no, when you have the media, FBI and CIA and shadow ring all dancing together, such things don't need to happen. The protest itself was an aside, the attempted insurrection wasn't by that noisy bunch.

 

[Deleted member 54650]

It would a) shame him, though I doubt that's possible, but it would solidify his place in history of being the worst US president ,b) if convicted, not allowed to hold any office, and c) disallow him any post-presidential perks like travel expense allowance and security detail.

also thought it was fact then found this

Fact check: No, impeachment itself would not ban Trump from a 2024 run

A viral tweet claims that impeaching President Donald Trump for a second time would mean he would lose the ability to run for president in 2024.

www.cnn.com

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

also thought it was fact then found this

Fact check: No, impeachment itself would not ban Trump from a 2024 run

A viral tweet claims that impeaching President Donald Trump for a second time would mean he would lose the ability to run for president in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Daniel Dale to the rescue.

 

[J.E]

As it turns out the BMW video is not related to any civil unrest caused by the political tensions. It was "just" a bike gang attack that happened in December 2020 in NYC.

BMW driver recounts run-in with NYC bike gang: ‘They’re going to kill us’

 

[David Brent]

You would hope that isn't true, but when MP paedophilia has happened historically how long do they take to come to light? And when Epstein somehow committed suicide in his cell while on suicide watch, while there was an unauthorised guard on duty, guards falsified records, his cellmate was transferred and the CCTV failed just beforehand, one would have to question whether there is some kind of conspiracy is at play surely (perhaps not the one mentioned though)? I mean, the possibility that this all legitimately happened by chance is actually less likely than the possibility that Satan himself did it.

Refusing to believe everything you're told, doesn't make you clever. Recognising the times when you're being told the truth, and when you're not, is what matters.

 

[Bucketslash11]

Joe Biden fixes nothing, he's contributed to many of the policies that put Trump in the position to become president

corporate democrats are useless, republicans are outright racist and both parties support imperialism

burn the whole thing down (progressives are still liberals so they will not manage to fix anything)

 

[David Brent]

Joe Biden fixes nothing

At this stage, I'll take a President who doesn't brag about the size of his nuclear button, mock disabled journalists, or incite riots resulting in the deaths of five people.

 

[chonkoa]

also thought it was fact then found this

Fact check: No, impeachment itself would not ban Trump from a 2024 run

A viral tweet claims that impeaching President Donald Trump for a second time would mean he would lose the ability to run for president in 2024.

www.cnn.com

Thanks for that bit of info.
There is too much power in the Presidency. Now I can understand why Nixon toyed with the idea of an Imperial Presidency. Congress aided and abated it.
If there is anything we can take away from the last 4 years that the powers of the Presidency needs to be trimmed.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Thanks for that bit of info.
There is too much power in the Presidency. Now I can understand why Nixon toyed with the idea of an Imperial Presidency. Congress aided and abated it.
If there is anything we can take away from the last 4 years that the powers of the Presidency needs to be trimmed.

The remotest prospect of a successful 2024 Trump campaign will relinquish the U.S. governments' integrity regarding the adherence to treaties/agreements with the vast majority of potential foreign partners. And that long before November 2024. This, of course, is conditional in that the EU, for example, remains relatively stable. Sadly, what is currently unfolding in the U.S.A. is not necessarily confined to that particular country.

 

[WBarnes]

Refusing to believe everything you're told, doesn't make you clever. Recognising the times when you're being told the truth, and when you're not, is what matters.

And how do you do that exactly, other than going with your gut? From Iraq's WMDs, to all the Syrian terror attacks in the 1980s that were pinned on Libya by 'classified sources', to renditions and torture, to Gaddafi's fake disarmament and rebranding and then unbranding, to Epstein, to the very late revelations about MP's and Savile's sexual abuses. Why would anyone believe anything anymore?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Joe Biden fixes nothing, he's contributed to many of the policies that put Trump in the position to become president

The cause and effect perpetuum aka (more recently) Nixon/Ford--->Carter--->Reagan/G.H.W. Bush--->Clinton--->G.W. Bush--->Obama--->Trump--->Biden. The careening will continue in more or less consistent intervals while featuring increasingly pronounced extremes. I perceive Obama--->Trump to be the most drastic as of yet.

 

[J.E]

At this stage, I'll take a President who doesn't brag about the size of his nuclear button, mock disabled journalists, or incite riots resulting in the deaths of five people.

Given the choice of a creepy old fart who can’t control himself every time he sees a child or some orange face pussy grabber, I think I’d vote for the pussy grabber. At least he’s not a pedophile like dementia Joe.

But hey, I’m not a dad like you, so wtf do I know. Congrats, btw.

 

[Zonda]

Given the choice of a creepy old fart who can’t control himself every time he sees a child or some orange face pussy grabber, I think I’d vote for the pussy grabber. At least he’s not a pedophile like dementia Joe.

But hey, I’m not a dad like you, so wtf do I know. Congrats, btw.

You mean the dude who is infatuated with his own daughter and brought her to Epstein parties?

 

[Deleted member 1071]

The problem with politics and elections is that the electorate is not getting the best (and often perhaps the worst) that respective parties may be able to offer. We are seeing this in Germany in the forefront of this years' general election and are, at best, confronted with a choice of lesser evils.

 

[Grosser]

You mean the dude who is infatuated with his own daughter and brought her to Epstein parties?

Photoshoped pictures

 

[Bucketslash11]

The cause and effect perpetuum aka (more recently) Nixon/Ford--->Carter--->Reagan/G.H.W. Bush--->Clinton--->G.W. Bush--->Obama--->Trump--->Biden. The careening will continue in more or less consistent intervals while featuring increasingly pronounced extremes. I perceive Obama--->Trump to be the most drastic as of yet.

Obama is a war criminal
to quote Noam Chomsky:

If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

In the United States, the political system is a very marginal affair. There are two parties, so-called, but they're really factions of the same party, the Business Party. Both represent some range of business interests.

and to quote Lenin:

The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!