hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
The E class might just edge the 5er in this one, let's wait for the 8th 
Vs BMW 5-Series G31 vs. Competitors
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Here's the firts win of the E-class.
Essai comparatif : la BMW Série 5 (2017) défie la Mercedes Classe E
They said that the Merc powertrain (Motor/GB/Chassis with the Air Body Control) offers the best compromise between confort/dymanism/Premium feeling.
Essai comparatif : la BMW Série 5 (2017) défie la Mercedes Classe E
They said that the Merc powertrain (Motor/GB/Chassis with the Air Body Control) offers the best compromise between confort/dymanism/Premium feeling.
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The E never was obsolete and the new 5er is definitely not the superior product, not by a long shot.
I had a chance to check out the new Mercedes E300 and BMW 530i at the Auto Show.
These cars are cutting it so close in terms of material quality, fit /finish. It is only a matter of personal opinion that one chooses to place one car over the other.
(I am going to keep this review very brief.)
I sat in both cars back to back as they were only a few feet away. The dashboard quality in both are very good quality and are equal. The wondows were closed in both cars. The first thing I tried is the paddle shift thunk test. You flick the paddles to see if the haptics“ricochet” across what would be hollow sounding dashboard. Both passed with flying colors. (try this in one one of the newer Hyundai models or a Dodge Charger for example. Those are quite hollow sounding and the haptics are ham handed heavy.)
The switchgear are also about equal. Both have kind of loose feeling bottons. The mostly aluminum switch gear in the Merc is better looking and feeling imo.
The HD graphics in the screens go to the Merc, the resolution is higher and clearer.
The seat comfort also goes to the Merc IMO. The standard front seats have better latteral support
and felt like they hold you in place better than the BMW 530i seats. Also, Unlike some of the Euro Magazine reviews, I felt like I sat deeper in the Merc.
The overall interior experience is great in both cars. This is a subjective view point but I felt like the Merc interior is more special. From its hi-res twin screens, speaker grills wood inlays etc. These features are simply not shared with any other car in the midsized luxury car segment. I cannot say that about the BMW 5. The E300 felt like mid-range luxury yach.
The Command, I-Drive systems are equally fast and both are intuitive. The BMW holds a slight intuitive edge on ease of use. Some controls are still require you to dig through stuff for the basics.
The rear seats are great in both cars. Both have good angles. Adjusting the drivers seat to my position , like I usually do, I go to the rear seat behind me to see if there is enough knee room for rear passengers.
The E-Class definitively wins with knee room space. In the 530i, the drivers seat was noticeably closer to my knees. The BMW has a larger boot so I guess a slight bump in knee room is sacrificed.
All in all both are great cars with a few trade offs to one another. Both are still ahead of the competition from other countries.
The E never was obsolete and the new 5er is definitely not the superior product, not by a long shot.
I had a chance to check out the new Mercedes E300 and BMW 530i at the Auto Show.
These cars are cutting it so close in terms of material quality, fit /finish. It is only a matter of personal opinion that one chooses to place one car over the other.
(I am going to keep this review very brief.)
I sat in both cars back to back as they were only a few feet away. The dashboard quality in both are very good quality and are equal. The wondows were closed in both cars. The first thing I tried is the paddle shift thunk test. You flick the paddles to see if the haptics“ricochet” across what would be hollow sounding dashboard. Both passed with flying colors. (try this in one one of the newer Hyundai models or a Dodge Charger for example. Those are quite hollow sounding and the haptics are ham handed heavy.)
The switchgear are also about equal. Both have kind of loose feeling bottons. The mostly aluminum switch gear in the Merc is better looking and feeling imo.
The HD graphics in the screens go to the Merc, the resolution is higher and clearer.
The seat comfort also goes to the Merc IMO. The standard front seats have better latteral support
and felt like they hold you in place better than the BMW 530i seats. Also, Unlike some of the Euro Magazine reviews, I felt like I sat deeper in the Merc.
The overall interior experience is great in both cars. This is a subjective view point but I felt like the Merc interior is more special. From its hi-res twin screens, speaker grills wood inlays etc. These features are simply not shared with any other car in the midsized luxury car segment. I cannot say that about the BMW 5. The E300 felt like mid-range luxury yach.
The Command, I-Drive systems are equally fast and both are intuitive. The BMW holds a slight intuitive edge on ease of use. Some controls are still require you to dig through stuff for the basics.
The rear seats are great in both cars. Both have good angles. Adjusting the drivers seat to my position , like I usually do, I go to the rear seat behind me to see if there is enough knee room for rear passengers.
The E-Class definitively wins with knee room space. In the 530i, the drivers seat was noticeably closer to my knees. The BMW has a larger boot so I guess a slight bump in knee room is sacrificed.
All in all both are great cars with a few trade offs to one another. Both are still ahead of the competition from other countries.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
This two guys don't understand a lot about cars. The comparison is very superficial, which is very common these days. Just as an example, they measure the rear seat space of the two cars with differently adjusted front seats. The BMW front seat is set lower which sacrifices both knee room and space above feet, and to draw conclusion based on this is just unprofessional.
klier
Premium
Same thing GTA probably did in his write up above.
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Think before you post my man.
This is a two man review, so the circumstances are different.
I made it clear that I adjusted the driving seat to a good drivers position for myself alone (which is what every human will do) before moving to the rear seats in both cars. The rear knee and particularly the footwell space in the 5 is shallow compared to the E-Class.
Btw, I wonder if those who disagree with me have actually seen these cars back to back. Most likely not.
Think before you post my man.
This is a two man review, so the circumstances are different.
I made it clear that I adjusted the driving seat to a good drivers position for myself alone (which is what every human will do) before moving to the rear seats in both cars. The rear knee and particularly the footwell space in the 5 is shallow compared to the E-Class.
Btw, I wonder if those who disagree with me have actually seen these cars back to back. Most likely not.
klier
Premium
Me personally, I have driven both the E220d and 520d, and besides, these cars are as common in Europe as a Toyota Corrola or Nissan Altima are where you live.
Good for you.
If it was not a back to back compare than your post is utterly besides the point.
Professional or not, the guys in the review covered about 90% of what I experienced and what the average consumer(without bias) will to. In the end you will choose what you prefer but that does not make one better than the other. These rivals have never been so equally matched in the playing field before.
klier
Premium
Yes.
Firstly, you're everything but without bias, and secondly, your test is hardly scientific. I don't really care about whatever test you compare your review with, I just commented on your review.
Good exampleof a real test with actual measurements is the latest Autozeitung review of the G31 and S213 posted just now by @DeDe :
https://www.germancarforum.com/threads/autozeitung-bmw-530d-touring-vs-rivals.57178/
Check the sizes posted by the mag. Check the difference between the length of the rear seat in both the Benz and Bimmer: The BMW seat is 9 cm (!!) longer, while the difference in space between the back seat and frontseat is in favor of the S213 by 2 cm. Surely you took that into account with your unbiased scientific approach?
If you understood German, you would read that they actually mention the relatively small seats of the Benz.
If that makes you feel better sure. But in real life, the 5er wins every test there is. So nothing new really. I actually think the W211 won more from E60, but I must be imagining things.
Fully aware of this but what did my review or your post have anything to do with a scientific study or approach.
You posted this in your own defence because you have nothing to prove from a personal comsumer standpoint on a back to back. I never said my review was scientific, only personal. Stop taking subjects out of context.
Nope, it does not.
Most of those reviews come from the UK and are far too hype oriented and sentimtal (like youself). I know how they think. American mags are quite different, the journalists here (aside from the silly ones) are a bit more direct and cut to what counts without the hogwash.
martinbo
Staff member
Nothing you've said here is factual. The real hogwash is what you've written here.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
I personally prefer magazine reviews over individual reviews ..... Individual reviews tend to be extremely bias and it's usually a 30 min ride done on different days compared to many days of back to back comparisons magazines do.
Although I appreciate them I dont take them seriously especially if it comes from someone whose pro MB reviewing BMW or visa versa.
Although I appreciate them I dont take them seriously especially if it comes from someone whose pro MB reviewing BMW or visa versa.
klier
Premium
Are you delusional or did you just hit your head really hard against something? What on earth are you talking about? What is out of context?
I post some facts about the actual sizes. What you did is write a biased 'review'. It has nothing to do with a review what you did. You wrote something that made you feel good about your beloved E class, and that's all there is to it.
Truly sig worthy.
I kinda like this review and think it's an honest and thorough drive and opinion of both cars. They mentioned many points of comparison which highlighted each cars strengths and weakness against each other so that in the end their conclusion is pretty bang on the buck in my opinion that both cars are the best in this class and depending on your own personal choice you would prefer to own and drive.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
Anyone who thinks the 5er is neck and neck with any car in its segment is delusional .... E class , S90 and XF are good cars , great cars even , but they are not 5 series great. It's in a league of its own.
(First of all, excuse my absence. I had to help some friends relocate, in the process I made new ones.)
You really don't get it do you, that is how you operate I guess. Lots of times folks have to remind you of the main topic of the conversation. You tent to divert with stuff in your favor that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I appreciate the scientific measurements but that was not my point. My point was your personal experience on a back to back with the E as opposed the 5 Series. We were discussing the rear seat knee room in both cars. Those scientific measurements will change the moment you or I sit in the front seat because of the different measurements we have. If you have rear passengers the E will have an advantage on knee room.
Interesting that the German article says the MB seats are a tad smaller. Thay are, I experienced this.
Thay are smaller but do a better job of holding in place than the 5 Series seats. The BMW seat are big and flat.
The side bolsters are rather small, the back and lateral support is a little on the weak side compared to the E (you can see this in the pics)
Nice diplomatic responce.
My observation comes from years of reading these articles and comparing them to the ones from the US.
not kicking all of them though. Trends and the latest 'automotive fashion' rule some of these magazines. The sintiment that follows is rather heavy. The beauty of a test drive or back to back after reading these articles highlights what some of these guys are thinking. Your going to agree or disagree.
I am not kicking the 5er in any way here. It is a great car but not that great. The huge advantage BMW has with the 5 series is packaging, this is where the 5er shines above the competition and the real reason Klier and hovabongZA rant about it so much bacause they are caught up in the trends subconsciously.
The F10 5 series had a big advantage of being so close to the top dog 7er. It was closer to its bigger brother than any of its rivals at the time and actually started this trend with the same seats, almost identical interior, ect. The W212 E was no way near as close to the S as the 5 to the 7er.
Now with the W213, the E is basically just playing catch-up to the S in packaging while the 5 moves ever so close to the 7 with a sporty side. See, you won't find the S Class seats in an E like you fine 7er seats in a 5 series. This is basically one of the driving factors for some fanboys to be psychologically delusional in believing the 5er is the best.
BMW is playing it's cards well with the 5 Series.
If Mercedes moved the E closer to the S in packing alone with the same seats, and a true S Class evolved dashboard design (like the 5 to the 7) instead of having the center console of the C, it would be winning these reviews in Europe. Especially if it debut after the 5 Series.
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