Poll BMW F90 M5 vs. Mercedes-Benz W213 E63s

[GTA45E]

BMW F90 M5 vs. Mercedes-Benz W213 E63s

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Ok, here it goes...

Vote for your favorite hi-performance sedan from Germany, M5 vs. E63S

Which one, from a design standpoint, stands out more and feels more sporty.

Include which interior feels more special, visual comparison.




Finally, feel free to predict which one is going to handle and feel best on the track as well as the street before the tests come out. Have fun, don`t take things too seriously

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Oh dear...this is difficult. I can only assume that a state of "heavenly indecison" for those who are fortunate enough to be shoppers in this particular segment may experience is exciting. A "sweet anguish", so to speak.

Yeah, hell...I'll give it a novice shot:

Exterior design: Two schools of thought methinks. A precise, crisp, technoid theme (BMW) versus a smoother, softer,almost rubenesque appearance (M-B AMG). In terms of exterior proportions, both cannot be reproached as both are SPOT ON in this aspect. A matter of personal taste, I reckon*.

*Were one to twist my arm, I may scream uncle and visit my friendly local BMW dealership. My favorite current BMW is the M4 coupe (ZCP specification). I love that car-and I detect a distinct visual sibling bond between it and the new M5.

Interior design: I remain in the process of "digesting" M-Bs' flatscreen binnacle. I find it relatively attractive on the E-Class models. But personally, I'd probably give BMWs' more "traditional" dash configuration the nod.

The driving experience: Motor journos are going quite gaga regarding the M-B AMGs' nimbleness and "throwability". I trust that the new M5 will display these attributes in abundance as well. In terms of "longitudinal acceleration" (as a non-engineer, I hope that this is the right term), I would suspect that the M-B AMG is the more formidable "Autobahn-Kilometerfresser", the better long distance transcontinental road rocket. Not by much though.

Now...I wonder what Audi will bring to the table in the form of the next RS6 (hopefully available as a sedan).

 

[DeDe]

Panamera Turbo

 

[Sunny]

What is the difference? They (e63, M5, RS6, Panny) are all the pretty much the same thing now - AWD, turbo V8s (even have turbos in the same place), auto transmission, elec steering, 2t behemoths. Whatever fraction of a sec that separates them all is meaningless...

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Having driven RS7, abt RS6, Panamera 4s, e43, e400, and 540i xdrive, the Panamera is the best car for me. Not for everyone but for what I'd like in a car it is the best. Most natural sports car out of the bunch. The benz and 5 are impressive but not corner cravers. Granted I didn't drive the top versions, but the Porsche platform is really what Porsche claims it to be: a 911 with two extra doors.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I would think that the Panamera II Turbo(s) are automobiles positioned a market segment notch above the M5, M-B E 63 (S) AMG and/or Audi RS6/RS7.

Whatever the case may be, the Panny II must be a magnificent car. In terms of its' exterior aesthetic, I remain rather undecided. But otherwise...

 

[Laurent T]

What is the difference? They (e63, M5, RS6, Panny) are all the pretty much the same thing now - AWD, turbo V8s (even have turbos in the same place), auto transmission, elec steering, 2t behemoths. Whatever fraction of a sec that separates them all is meaningless...

Fully agree, in the end, this is all about : which look you prefer, on what you put more focus (engine noise, comfort, track performance... whatever). Even magazines don't agree if you look at the current comparisons done by the E63 :
- Evo & Car : E63 winner versus Panamera
- Autocar : didn't like the E63
- France Sport Auto : Panamera winner against E63
I don't see any car dominating the category in the future...

 

[klier]

What is the difference? They (e63, M5, RS6, Panny) are all the pretty much the same thing now - AWD, turbo V8s (even have turbos in the same place), auto transmission, elec steering, 2t behemoths. Whatever fraction of a sec that separates them all is meaningless...

And every C, 3er and A4 is the same.
Same for E, A6 and 5er. And 7er vs S class.

In fact, what's the point of this forum? They all are the same

I don't see any car dominating the category in the future...

Except the G30 completely dominates the midsize luxury segment.

I would think that the Panamera II Turbo(s) are automobiles positioned a market segment notch above the M5, M-B E 63 (S) AMG and/or Audi RS6/RS7.

A notch up in price

A notch down in performance

In terms of "longitudinal acceleration" (as a non-engineer, I hope that this is the right term), I would suspect that the M-B AMG is the more formidable "Autobahn-Kilometerfresser", the better long distance transcontinental road rocket. Not by much though.

Based on what? The BMW has a nice auto box that surely is better for omfortable long distance travel? Not to mention that the base 5ers all are more comfortable/all round than their MB counterparts?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

What is the difference? They (e63, M5, RS6, Panny) are all the pretty much the same thing now - AWD, turbo V8s (even have turbos in the same place), auto transmission, elec steering, 2t behemoths. Whatever fraction of a sec that separates them all is meaningless...

Exactly. It's all getting quite boring being a car fan now. I (genuinely) would choose the car which has the HMI I'm most suited to, as that is something I would use every day. In this case it would be the M5 (despite preferring the looks of the E Class).

Sad state of affairs.

 

[klier]

^ Get a 640 hp RWD Caddy and be happy

 

[LaArtist]

Performance is not even an issue here. Even if the M5 is faster it will be a fraction.. and most of us can't even get that extra performance out if it. The e63 as it stands is a insanely fast car no way around that fact.

So it a really down to what appeals to you more.

For me this generation of 5 is boring as hell inside out.. the interior belongs to previous generations of automobiles. And the M5 doesent bring enough to counteract that lackluster.

E class is nice but I don't like the front. The interior is epic. And the amg does something about that dull looking front.

So if I have to pick one it's the Amg hell for the engine sound alone I would take it over the M5.

With all that said I would never buy one of these..
Panamera for me all day every day!!!

 

[Centurion]

I would think that the Panamera II Turbo(s) are automobiles positioned a market segment notch above the M5, M-B E 63 (S) AMG and/or Audi RS6/RS7.

Even an M5/E63 customer might run for the hills upon seeing the price tag of a Panamera Turbo models sitting on showroom floors. With options the Porsche is a good 40-60% more expensive which is no laughing matter. Basically it's priced like a S63/M760Li.

 

[gdm]

Bmw M once was very special with its bespoke NA engine,manual gear box,RWD and light weight frame.but now,it gave up all these exclusivity to follow Audi and Mercedes's formula in order to accomplish a faster acceleration in straight line.This is sad and why the new M5 is regarded as a underwhelming one among competitors.On the contrary,Bmw M5 in the E39 and E60 era is outstanding.

 

[Laurent T]

Except the G30 completely dominates the midsize luxury segment.

I meant the segment of high performance sedan... that's why I was refering to the future.

 

[Matski]

Bmw M once was very special with its bespoke NA engine,manual gear box,RWD and light weight frame.but now,it gave up all these exclusivity to follow Audi and Mercedes's formula in order to accomplish a faster acceleration in straight line.This is sad and why the new M5 is regarded as a underwhelming one among competitors.On the contrary,Bmw M5 in the E39 and E60 era is outstanding.

You praise the E39 and E60 M5's as outstanding, even though they don't meet your own criteria for what is very special?

The E39 M5 was heavier than the F90, the E60 M5's are the same weight as the F90 - Not that M5's have ever been classed as lightweight. They are normally the heaviest 5-series' you can buy.

The E39's S62 V8 is a tuned M62, the M62 appeared in many models - some of which weren't even BMW's (Range Rover, Ascari, Bentley, Morgan). This isn't really any different to how BMW use the S63 engine today. Granted the S85 in the E60 was a fairly unique beast.

The E60 M5 also didn't initially come with a conventional manual transmission either, it was only late on that they introduced a 6MT, and guess what, it wasn't very well received.

So, I think you are looking at the past through rose-tinted glasses.

As for your other points, the move away from naturally aspirated engines has nothing to do with BMW giving them up to follow what Audi and Mercedes do... it's a direct result of legislation imposed on BMW for emissions and consumption reasons.

BMW M also hasn't given up on manual gearboxes, you can still get manuals in the M2, the M3 and the M4. The reason why they've been dropped in the bigger M cars is because the take rates are low-to-non-existent... it might make the M5 seem less special to you, but the people going and putting their money down, do not want manual gearboxes.

If you find the F90 underwhelming then okay, that is your opinion... but the reasons you've given why, don't make much sense.

 

[Frankie G]

As for your other points, the move away from naturally aspirated engines has nothing to do with BMW giving them up to follow what Audi and Mercedes do... it's a direct result of legislation imposed on BMW for emissions and consumption reasons.

Well said. I don't know why people keep claiming manufacturers copy each other when it is clearly legislation that for the better part of it, dictates these changes. We are all too quick to judge and rather forgetful too.

 

[Merc1]

The Panamera is the one I'd want, then the E63 and then the M5. That said, between the M5 and E63 it would literally come down to a back to back test drive/comparison. They're both that good and evenly matched IMO. For the price of either, you'd only be able to get a V6, 440hp Panamera 4S, but it would have a better interior and more eye catching styling, but that's it.

M

 

[Tarek]

E63S..no brainer at all.

 

[sako97]

I'm genuinely surprised at the poll results right now.

 

[zonk1988]

Design - wise M5 without a single doubt. E class looks just bland and boring