BMW McLaren Supercar


Guys, why are you discussing where the talent comes from, specially with a xenophobic £*#@$! like KiwiRob? There are good engineers everywhere, of course, a retrograde monkey will always think in racial superiority, but in the end, the companies are the one who decide how much resources will go on engineering, development or marketing/vaporware and the result will be obvious for those who care.

You have a real chip on your shoulder, in my experience it's only people who live under a cloud of inferiority who bring up the race card. British hasn't referred to a white anglo saxon Betty Swollox type person for longer than I've been alive; surely you realise Lewis Hamilton is just as British as Sir Elton John, or do you have an issue with that?
 
That render is awful though it seems to be a mix of multiple BMW details plastered over a McLaren body. If anything it will use the same aerodynamic philosophy as the i8 but with an entirely different design language but with the recognisable BMW design characteristics. Similar to the pattern being developed for the new Z Car, positioning Z as a sub-brand within BMW mirroring the X sub-brand.

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It seems Toyota has not taken a decission regarding its sportscar with BMW, will this compromise Z5?

Toyota and BMW to decide on sports car by year-end
 
It seems Toyota has not taken a decission regarding its sportscar with BMW, will this compromise Z5?

Toyota and BMW to decide on sports car by year-end

Everything seems to be right on schedule according to the article, so no.
 
Maybe it´s just the Toyota. Not that I care too much about what they do with their car, as long as the BMW is still comming.
 
Maybe it´s just the Toyota. Not that I care too much about what they do with their cart, as long as the BMW is still comming.

Well the partnership lasts until 2020 so I think nothing is delayed and everything is on schedule. Toyota not having made a decision on how to fill in their partnershipis probably part of the schedule.
 
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It seems Toyota has not taken a decission regarding its sportscar with BMW, will this compromise Z5?

Toyota and BMW to decide on sports car by year-end
They talk about three projects but the article is only about a Z4 replacement, where are the other two ?
 
As far as I know the only delay is deciding where to build it, and the overall launch strategy. Deciding on manufacturing either in Japan,Germany or even in the US. But everything at BMWs end is more or less complete. The BMW comes first as a Roadster and then a Coupe. Toyota comes as the Coupe first and then a Roadster.
 
They talk about three projects but the article is only about a Z4 replacement, where are the other two ?

The joint architecture is based upon the BMW CLAR matrix,an anomaly in the industry system. Except it uses more CFRP and aluminium over the existing CLAR matrix ergo it is far lighter than conventional CLAR matrixes because although it is a development between two manufacturers, both have pooled resources to further progress its weight reduction.
Vis-a-vi for where it is positioned it will offer the best weight figures in its segment for its price. The next BMW 6er uses a mixture of this joint architecture.
Concordantly, the strategy looks at other potential models such as the Toyota GT-86 replacement and a new version of the Celica(Honda according to industry rumours plan to reincarnate the Prelude) Lexus RC replacement with the equivalent BMW Z3 and possibly the 4er.

If we speak Hypothetically partnering with McLaren?
Possibilities are that a super sports car but flexible to adapt to today's industry issues could be jointly developed under the same arrangement, pooling all resources to develop possibly the most advanced structure for that segment.
To this day and this story has continued recently to the IAA. That several manufacturers are still lost in how BMW can bring the CFRP advances of the i8 to reality and at a fraction of their own vehicles. They still cannot do that unless they are in hyper car territory.
 
One the thing I would love about this being true is that it sends the right message to the fans. After years of SACs, fastbacks and vans (my heart suffers when I see a 2er 7 seat van around), we want to see sportcars, luxury sedans (9er) and why not, a proper super car.

If previous CEO was against these plans, then I am glad he is no longer in charge. Let's pray this new one can offer a better balance between profits and brand image.
 
Another part of the "Gene Sequencing" strategy at BMW involves such a concept but I will not go into details of what is happening as it is an ongoing matter with other parties involved and nothing has been finalised.
Should such a vehicle materialise? It will be the first bespoke M car allowing both BMWM and BMWi to boast individual sports car concepts for both ends of the market, but it have access to use BMWi technology especially the CFRP passenger module.
 
I have a feeling that this and the "9er" will be part of the collateral damage occuring in other companies due to Dieselgate...or at least that's what they will tell us when the Board doesn't greenlight these projects.
 
Don't know if this is the most appropriate place to add it, but what the hell. I'm none to familiar with Oz's automotive journals/publications, so don't know how much creedence to give it. However, as far-fetched as it seems, it seems a bit more credible compared to BMW-McLaren as BMW and Toyota are in an alliance already. Nonetheless, takes this with multiple grains of salt, and , my goodness, is that rendering ugly...




https://lexusenthusiast.com/2015/09/21/lexus-bmw-working-on-1000-horsepower-lfa-successor/

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/sports/lexus/lexus-and-bmw-collaborate-on-lfa-successor-53956

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Lexus and BMW collaborate on LFA successor

Strange bedfellows are working together on a new supercar to wipe the smile off Audi's dial
BMW is teaming up with prestige brand – and nominal competitor – Lexus, to develop a new supercar that will outperform Audi's R8.

"BMW are getting trounced in the PR war of words in Germany with Audi coming straight out and saying that BMW does not have a supercar whereas Audi does," says a source close to Lexus.

BMW wants to change that, with Toyota's help.

Our source lets on that both companies have jointly built a prototype in a mid-engined layout with full-time AWD. In fact, in terms of powertrains, we are hearing that the next generation LFA will get a drivetrain system not unlike the new Honda NSX's, with electric motors driving the front wheels fitted inside an aluminium space frame and carbon-fibre bath-tub configuration.

And here's the highlight. From what our insider reveals, there are two power units currently under development. The power source for BMW's supercar will be a bespoke M-developed straight-six twin turbo with plug-in hybrid technology courtesy of Toyota.

Toyota is rumoured to be testing a detuned version of its Le Mans TS040 race car's 520hp (388kW) 3.7-litre V8 for the Lexus version of the supercar. And with the 480hp (358kW) produced by the front and rear motors, the total power output would reach the magic number of 1000hp (745kW).

Our insider says however that "while 1000hp is possible, fuel consumption, emissions concerns and engine tolerance figures will see a more realistic figure of 800hp (596kW) targeted."

BMW selected Lexus as the go-to guy in developing a new supercar, based on the company's work on the LFA in the period immediately following the Global Financial Crisis of 2008. It was that economic meltdown that killed Honda's V10-powered NSX, and even pushed Toyota to shelve several of its planned sportier models.

Seven years in development, the LFA survived those years of austerity, fast-tracked through the R&D process by Akio Toyoda who wanted a halo car for his luxury brand. A limited edition run of only 500 finally landed in showrooms in 2010 with a sticker price north of $400,000.

Since then Lexus has launched the V8 powered RC-F and will unveil the LC coupe next year. But while the LFA boasted a carbon fibre body and a 600hp V10 powerplant, its GT3 version was never able to achieve what the RC-F GT3 Farnbacher Racing machine managed at a recent Nurburgring VLN 4-hour endurance race – pole position. It was the first time that a Japanese car had ever secured pole at the storied track.

Now, with a taste for winning – or starting from pole at least – Lexus has a reason to go one better. That's the driving force behind Lexus cosying up together with BMW.

Our insider tells us that executives at BMW's HQs in Munich are more than happy with the progress being made in the 'Silk Road' joint venture that will result in successors to the BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra.

This supercar collaboration leaves just one factor that Toyota and BMW must clear to create a viable rival to the Audi R8 – cost. Unlike the LFA, a successor and BMW sister car would need to land in showrooms for no more than $220,000.

According to our source, these supercars would arrive just in time for the Tokyo Olympic Games in 2020. Very symbolic.

Rendering: Holiday Auto magazine
 

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Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, abbreviated as BMW is a German multinational manufacturer of luxury vehicles and motorcycles headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany. The company was founded in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines, which it produced from 1917 to 1918 and again from 1933 to 1945.
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