Hot! Mercedes-Benz/BMW/Audi USA Sales

[tomazino]

Nice deflection, but we weren't talking about the C vs the 3/4 Series. No I count the numbers the way the auto manufactures present them.
Yes the 3/4 together outsell the C-Class, but only BMW la-la-land is the C-Class a total disaster. That is BMW-speak BS.

Tell me do I get to use the excuse about MB not having any many body styles as the 3/4 Series? Not that I would, but does it go both ways or do only BMW apologist get to make up the excuses as they go along?

M

Nobody says that C class is total disaster....that was conditional question for you (and I`m not saying that this is something important in my life, but for your info, in my "dictionary", that would be 3sedan/touring vs C sedan/estate)

No I count the numbers the way the auto manufactures present them.

Maybe, you can say something like this:"I eat all that auto manufacturers serve to me" .
http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...5-audi-bmw-mercedes.53417/page-10#post-802426
http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...5-audi-bmw-mercedes.53417/page-10#post-802544

So, if we blindly follow that every S model is an S class, and need to compare with 7 series , than what is mercedes car that we would compare with 8 series (in 2 years, I guess/hope) ?

And if I remember correctly, not so long ago, daimler count ML in E segment, GL in S segment, GLK in C segment. If so, we should have to swallow that, without any question...just because they presented data that way.
If we blindly believe to marketing moguls, than different group of people will believe in different moguls. And then, how we get to truth? -Compare 2 doors coupe and cabrio with 4 doors limousine? In my dictionary - no!
But, as I said, everybody have freedom to do and think what they want....

 

[wac77]

Everybody has a point. But we do want to compare apples to apples. In my book this means
A-class vs 1-series
CLA vs (eventual) 2 GC
B-class vs 2 AT
C-class sedan+wagon vs 3-series sedan+wagon
C-class coupe/vert vs 4-series coupe/vert
CLC (when available) vs 4 GC
E-class sedan/wagon vs 5-series sedan+wagon
CLS vs 6 GC
S-class sedan vs 7-series
S-class coupe/vert vs 8-series coupe/vert (in 1-2 years)
Maybach S-class vs 9-series (if produced)

Neither BMW nor MB provides that level of detail in their sales figures. Both are at fault IMHO.

 

[Merc1]

Nobody says that C class is total disaster....that was conditional question for you (and I`m not saying that this is something important in my life, but for your info, in my "dictionary", that would be 3sedan/touring vs C sedan/estate)


Maybe, you can say something like this:"I eat all that auto manufacturers serve to me" .
http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...5-audi-bmw-mercedes.53417/page-10#post-802426
http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...5-audi-bmw-mercedes.53417/page-10#post-802544

So, if we blindly follow that every S model is an S class, and need to compare with 7 series , than what is mercedes car that we would compare with 8 series (in 2 years, I guess/hope) ?

And if I remember correctly, not so long ago, daimler count ML in E segment, GL in S segment, GLK in C segment. If so, we should have to swallow that, without any question...just because they presented data that way.
If we blindly believe to marketing moguls, than different group of people will believe in different moguls. And then, how we get to truth? -Compare 2 doors coupe and cabrio with 4 doors limousine? In my dictionary - no!
But, as I said, everybody have freedom to do and think what they want....

You can spin the excuse all you like, but like I said I go by how they report the data and I'm talking about the U.S. data that was being talked about here. Your "dictionary" is skewed to give BMW an excuse. Nothing more. Like I said before it isn't Mercedes' fault that BMW switched over to making more nameplates for variants of the SAME car.

M

 

[tomazino]

Like I said before it isn't Mercedes' fault that BMW switched over to making more nameplates for variants of the SAME car.

Sorry, I totally forget that its BMW`s fault that Merceds switched over to make fewer nameplates for DIFFERENT cars. Or at least used to be different. For what? To have bigger sale numbers?
One trick question: As I understand, you say that BMW 7 series is much more comfortable for the rear passengers, than S class? Am I right?

 

[Merc1]

Sorry, I totally forget that its BMW`s fault that Merceds switched over to make fewer nameplates for DIFFERENT cars. Or at least used to be different. For what? To have bigger sale numbers?
One trick question: As I understand, you say that BMW 7 series is much more comfortable for the rear passengers, than S class? Am I right?

Clearly you've lost the plot. If you can't understand that a S Coupe is based on the S Sedan as is the S Cabrio then that is yours/BMW's problem. A 4-Series is nothing but a 3-Series coupe, as was a CL a S Coupe. Mercedes did it for simplicity and it makes perfect sense, since they're all the same car. Bigger sales numbers? Pot meet the (lying, cheating) Kettle, BMW.

M

 

[WAND]

"Sorry, I totally forget that its BMW`s fault that Merceds switched over to make fewer nameplates for DIFFERENT cars. Or at least used to be different. For what? To have bigger sale numbers?
One trick question: As I understand, you say that BMW 7 series is much more comfortable for the rear passengers, than S class? Am I right?"
What about 6er ? Coupe, cabrio and GranCoupe.
All variants called 6 series and counting sales numbers together as 6 series.
So :

DIFFERENT cars right ?

 

[chonkoa]

 

[tomazino]

Clearly you've lost the plot. If you can't understand that a S Coupe is based on the S Sedan as is the S Cabrio then that is yours/BMW's problem. A 4-Series is nothing but a 3-Series coupe, as was a CL a S Coupe. Mercedes did it for simplicity and it makes perfect sense, since they're all the same car. Bigger sales numbers? Pot meet the (lying, cheating) Kettle, BMW.

M

It is not matter on what car are based some other (current E coupe is based on C class, and still wear E badge), and yes, I know why they group car, and I know that S coupe and cabrio are based on S sedan, but you try to convince me that cabrio is the same car as the limousine. So, next X7 will be more similar to 7 sedan, than S cabrio to S sedan.
I do not deny that S class sells more than 7 series, but I try to compare success of one particular car with another (and don`t tell me that someone who want to buy luxury cabrio, will end up with limousine if he can`t find cabrio that is based on that limousine)

 

[klier]

Clearly you've lost the plot. If you can't understand that a S Coupe is based on the S Sedan as is the S Cabrio then that is yours/BMW's problem. A 4-Series is nothing but a 3-Series coupe, as was a CL a S Coupe. Mercedes did it for simplicity and it makes perfect sense, since they're all the same car. Bigger sales numbers? Pot meet the (lying, cheating) Kettle, BMW.

M

Hahaha, emotionally invested much???

Particularly this line:

Clearly you've lost the plot. If you can't understand that a S Coupe is based on the S Sedan as is the S Cabrio then that is yours/BMW's problem.

Yeah, BMW's problem alright! LMFAO. Can't imagine the problems MB has then, with all these ignorant fanboys.

It is not matter ...[]

Why are you even giving a response to him? Not worth it. Advice: short snappy one liners!

 

[Giannis]

Guys, this is a thread about sales, not a boxing ring. Keep it civil!

 

[tomazino]

Guys, this is a thread about sales, not a boxing ring. Keep it civil!

Yes, we talking about sales, but apparently we can not agree what to compare: sedans to sedans, or sedans to cabrio

 

[Matski]

Yes, we talking about sales, but apparently we can not agree what to compare: sedans to sedans, or sedans to cabrio

Disagreeing doesn't mean you can't be civil... I mean, I realise Merc1 can't seem to defend his position without being offensive, inflammatory or derogatory to others, but if people just ignored it, the thread might not perhaps get so derailed.

It's interesting that Wand and Merc are arguing different points of view (compare by purpose/position vs. compare by broad series name) yet don't feel the need to take issue with other like they do with fans of another brand.

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[Mr Robert]

OK, you all heard Giannis. Act like you did.

This thread will be cleaned.

 

[Sunny]

Please continue the very enlightening and thought provoking arguments here - http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/kindergarten-food-fight-from-the-sales-thread.56478/.

If you continue them here, be ready to not be able to post in this thread again for a long time.

And since we have quite a few new members, a reminder - please do NOT bring your arguments from other forums here.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

All these sales numbers are cute but let's see what happens next year. I have a feeling Mercedes will have some problems. That's at least the feeling most dealers have that I spoke to. For example in Austria the target for this year was 6300 next year (without any crazy product novelty) is 8000. They are freaking out.

 

[Mr Robert]

If you continue them here, be ready to not be able to post in this thread again for a long time.

Thanks. You are too kind.

 

[sako97]

Yikes... the 5er is new vehicle with the highest (fastest?) rate of depreciation in the US. E-class 3rd, 3er just behind at 4th.

I'm estimating that at least 95% of all three are leased. And you would want to own none of the these cars out of warranty.

Edit.... yes:

“Luxury brands are known for depreciating at a higher rate because they are often leased to keep monthly payments down, which lowers the demand for these vehicles in the used car market,” said iSeeCars CEO Phong Ly. “While some luxury models tend to quickly lose a lot of their value, they still don’t drop in price enough to attract used car buyers who may be reluctant to pay the premium for high-end trims and technological features.”

Best Bargains on Almost-New Cars - iSeeCars.com

 

[nikola1984]

Mercedes-Benz
Passenger Vehicles

Jun-18 Jun-17 Monthly % YTD 2018 YTD 2017 Yearly %

B-CLASS 0 46 -100.0% 132 317 -58.4%

CLA 2,094 2,118 -1.1% 11,716 8,505 37.8%

C-CLASS 5,742 7,116 -19.3% 29,659 42,552 -30.3%

E-CLASS/CLS 3,435 4,316 -20.4% 23,440 24,759 -5.3%

S-CLASS 1,156 1,169 -1.1% 8,425 7,583 11.1%

SLC 135 201 -32.8% 1,181 1,616 -26.9%

SL 208 221 -5.9% 1,256 1,450 -13.4%

AMG GT 154 118 30.5% 914 541 68.9%

GLA 1,722 2,081 -17.3% 12,162 10,360 17.4%

GLC 6,608 3,729 77.2% 35,145 19,727 78.2%

GLE 3,318 4,824 -31.2% 22,741 26,825 -15.2%

GLS 1,356 2,656 -48.9% 10,199 15,530 -34.3%

G-CLASS 263 399 -34.1% 1,878 2,195 -14.4%

TOTAL 26,191 28,994 -9.7% 158,848 161,960 -1.9%

Vans1 2,808 3,108 -9.7% 16,910 15,800 7.0%

smart 126 226 -44.2% 650 1,983 -67.2%


MBUSA
Combined Total

Jun-18 Jun-17 Monthly % YTD 2018 YTD 2017 Yearly %

GRAND TOTAL 29,125 32,328 -9.9% 176,408 179,743 -1.9%

Audi A8

 

[Mick Briesgau]

^ Audi’s A8 is selling only 576 cars in the first half year. Any of you US locals got any idea why? Is it because the new A8 can’t be delivered in sufficient amounts or is there another reason?

 

[Merc1]

The A8 has never been a big seller and the new A8 doesn't arrive until fall. SUVs are killing sedan sales overall. The A6 is nearly dead now too. Both the new A8 and A6 can't come soon enough.

M