News and Rumors about Mercedes-AMG


The german car industry lives from its' dogma of over-engineering. It's complex, it's fast - it's just different. They straight go down the route of down-sizing by throwing everything into.
AMG will sell the C63Se alongside it's "regular" counterpart - the C63 (S) Coupe. The latter will be available for quite some time though.
Time will tell which is gonna be right concept.
 
2) Why is the energy content of the battery so small? Only 6 kWh? In real life it won't bring any fuel consumption benefits since it is good for less than 20 km electric only range and this will be offset by the additional 200 kg weight. Or it fares well in the WLTP (I hate its hybrid tolerance).
The WLTP cycle is only ~23 kms. So there is your answer. Wonder when Hybridgate hits the fan.
 
@manuelf, agree with most of your post about the limited advantages of a hybrid system, but the part bolded below is not so clear cut -
If you go on track (every marketing campaign of AMG and ///M talks about track use!) with an C63e, then after three laps you are in ICE only mode, falling back to 4xx hp 4 cyl only and still having a 2 ton vehicle!

Around a track, a hybrid can - 1. Recuperate part of the barking energy to recharge the battery. 2. Use the ICE to charge the battery when the ICE is not using 100% of its power to propel the car. Of course, #1 is more desirable than #2.

I don't know how much #1 exactly is - the only concerte figure I have is 2018 F1 car recuperates around 2 MJ (0.55 Kwh) per lap around Monaco. Not sure how that translates to a roadcar like C63 around a track - since there are many variables -
1. Weight - Since road car like C63 probably weighs ~3x more that F1, theoretically should be able to recuperate 3x more energy, everything else being equal.
2. Speed delta between beginning and end of the braking zone - Since F1 has higher proportionally far higher cornering speeds compared to road cars than straight line speeds, I would guess the speed delta is higher for a road car.
3. Amount of braking you can assign to regeneration vs mechanical braking - again, I am guessing since braking forces are much lower for road cars, you can assign a higher amount to regeneration compared to F1.
4. On the flip side, I doubt whatever system a road car will use will be as efficient as F1.

But given all that, I would not be surprised if a hybrid C63 could recuperate a good portion of 6 kwh over a few laps.

Now - a 6kwh battery powering a motor outputting 70kw continuously should last ~300 secs - at a track, good for probably 4 laps around a typical track. So maybe it should be sustain +70kw of hybrid power indefinitely.

Of course, from a pure performance pov, there are far easier/cheaper/lighter ways to gain that 70 kw than a hybrid system, so the larger point you are making stands.
 
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The battery cells look like shotgun shells.
 
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The AMG versions of the EQS will reportedly* be presented not long after the "normal" EQS reveal on April 15th. The AMG cars will feature bespoke e-motors, a front shield graphic that resembles that of the Panamericana grills, special 22" rims and some aerodynamic aids. Top speed will be limited at 250 km/h (non-AMG EQS 210 km/h) and 0-100 km/h acceleration times will be "well under" 4.0 seconds.

Rumours have it that the EQE will be the basis for a "full fat" electric AMG performance sedan that will be positioned to rival the Porsche Taycan and Audi eTron GT.

*German automotive press sources.
 
The AMG versions of the EQS will reportedly* be presented not long after the "normal" EQS reveal on April 15th. The AMG cars will feature bespoke e-motors, a front shield graphic that resembles that of the Panamericana grills, special 22" rims and some aerodynamic aids. Top speed will be limited at 250 km/h (non-AMG EQS 210 km/h) and 0-100 km/h acceleration times will be "well under" 4.0 seconds.

Rumours have it that the EQE will be the basis for a "full fat" electric AMG performance sedan that will be positioned to rival the Porsche Taycan and Audi eTron GT.

*German automotive press sources.

Performance from high performance BEVs is less impressive than performance of an overclocked CPU.
 
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Proportions look really classicly good and. Might end up being an interesting -- albeit expensive and disposable -- proposition.
 
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Interesting video about AMG engine building

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Sometimes I wish they’d be even crazier.

Den M177 is a gorgeous engine, it’s a pleasure to see how well it’s looking under the plastic cover.

But I’d love to see a N/A V8 with 6.3L and on TB with a Carbon Airbox on top of it.
 
The first post makes me chuckle… what the hell happened to get us to the situation today? Emissions of course, but at least management had a spine towards regulations back then.

“The V8 – that's AMG. That's what we stand for, and we will continue to improve from there. […] And there is still a special group of customers who love the V12. For that reason, this product will continue to be in the lineup as well.[...] I don't actually see a six-cylinder for our AMG models in the Mercedes-Benz portfolio at the moment.” Moers recently said.

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The first post makes me chuckle… what the hell happened to get us to the situation today? Emissions of course, but at least management had a spine towards regulations back then.

“The V8 – that's AMG. That's what we stand for, and we will continue to improve from there. […] And there is still a special group of customers who love the V12. For that reason, this product will continue to be in the lineup as well.[...] I don't actually see a six-cylinder for our AMG models in the Mercedes-Benz portfolio at the moment.” Moers recently said.

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After Moers left AMG it just went downhill after that with the stupid 4 cylinder C43/C63/SL43 mess up.
 

Mercedes-AMG

Mercedes-AMG GmbH, commonly known as AMG (Aufrecht, Melcher, Großaspach), is the high-performance subsidiary of Mercedes-Benz AG. AMG independently hires engineers and contracts with manufacturers to customize Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles. The company has its headquarters in Affalterbach, Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
Official website: Mercedes-AMG

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