Ghibli [Official] 2014 Maserati Ghibli

[Merc1]

That's quite interesting. Do you have a source for that?

Its nonsense when all you have to do is look at the interior. Wholesale Chrysler parts everywhere. Only thing true Maser is the engine and styling.


M

 

[beckervdo]

That's quite interesting. Do you have a source for that?

Sure Giannis.

From italian forum Autopareri.

http://www.autopareri.com/forum/mas...te-2013-topic-ufficiale-102.html#post27984855

From J-Gian of Autopareri

Non ti riesco a rintracciare le fonti ora, forse qualcosa c'è anche nella cartella stampa del 1° messaggio... E comunque ne parlano un po' tutte le riviste del settore.


In ogni caso. del pianale della 300 resta giusto qualche porzione di pavimento, componentistica d'interfaccia (alcuni pulsanti, elettronica di bordo), impianti ausiliari (es. climatizzazione). Il resto è stato tutto riprogettato e pure bene, ad esempio le specifiche richieste per i telaietti sospensione sono superiori a quelle che sono state utilizzate su alcune sportive di Maranello.

A livello di trasmissione, come altri costruttori, si sono appoggiati a ZF per l'automatico ad 8 rapporti. Anche qui però ci sono diverse versioni del cambio, con alcuni particolari differenti. Qui molto fa com'è stato "configurato" a livello di gestione, ma ormai anche la logica di gestione fa tantissimo in termini di differenziazione... E' un po' come avere degli atleti con lo stesso ruolo, prestanza fisica simile, ma testa e gioco differente


L'auto insomma è stata rifatta da zero, pure i motori sono diversi. La scelta è stata presa dopo una giornata di test a Balocco di una 300 SRT super assettata: il responso è stato disastroso...

http://www.autopareri.com/forum/members/j-gian.html
Ghibli is based on a shorter versione of the Quattroporte's chassis.
There is no component in common with Chrysler on Ghibli if not 7 elements:
1) Structure of seats
2) dimmer switch
3) Light switches
4) Flame engine compartment
5) Platform front floor
6) Telematics
7) Controls on the steering wheel.

 

[Merc1]

Sure Giannis.

From italian forum Autopareri.

http://www.autopareri.com/forum/mas...te-2013-topic-ufficiale-102.html#post27984855

From J-Gian of Autopareri
Ghibli is based on a shorter versione of the Quattroporte's chassis.
There is no component in common with Chrysler on Ghibli if not 7 elements:
1) Structure of seats
2) dimmer switch
3) Light switches
4) Flame engine compartment
5) Platform front floor
6) Telematics
7) Controls on the steering wheel.

That is good deal of the 300 and the problem with that is that it looks just a cheap as the Chrysler its based on. Why people try to downplay this is beyond me, it really isn't a big problem if done right, but when you try to minimize it it seems really silly.

The link goes to a mesg board just like this, hardly the last word on the matter.

M

 

[Monster]

I am not sure what do they mean by 'flame engine compartment' and 'platform front floor'?

 

[Merc1]

The firewall/bulkhead between the engine and the passenger compartment and front half of the floor under the passenger compartment would be my guess.

M

 

[Merc1]

As much as I detest this car's bones, it is a looker and seemingly a thrill to drive. Can't wait to see one and try it out.


M

 

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[Merc1]

I can't wait to drive this car!

The real Ghibli is going be when they drop the 523hp V8 in it.

M

 

[Cashmere]

The more I see of it, the better it looks.

 

[Monster]

The more I see of it, the better it looks.

It helps when you have a pretty girl standing with the car.

 

[KiwiRob]

As much as I detest this car's bones, it is a looker and seemingly a thrill to drive. Can't wait to see one and try it out.


M

What's wrong with it's bones, they are Italian afterall.

Cheers

Rob

 

[Merc1]

What's wrong with it's bones, they are Italian afterall.

Cheers

Rob

They are not Italian. The car is based on a Chrysler, which was based on an old E-Class.

M

 

[KiwiRob]

They are not Italian. The car is based on a Chrysler, which was based on an old E-Class.

M

You have that all wrong, the LH platform was developed form the Renault/AMC platform used on cars like the Renault Premier and Dodge Monaco. It was then modernised and morphed into the LH, which in turn was redeveloped with some Mercedes components and turned into the LX platform. The LH had been designed for front, rear and all wheel drive applications. Mercedes added parts from the W220 and W211, but I very much doubt any Mercedes components survive today.

So I don't see what you problem is it has solid European roots.

 

[Merc1]

You have that all wrong, the LH platform was developed form the Renault/AMC platform used on cars like the Renault Premier and Dodge Monaco. It was then modernised and morphed into the LH, which in turn was redeveloped with some Mercedes components and turned into the LX platform. The LH had been designed for front, rear and all wheel drive applications. Mercedes added parts from the W220 and W211, but I very much doubt any Mercedes components survive today.

So I don't see what you problem is it has solid European roots.

Wrong. The Chrysler that this car is based on has Mercedes DNA all over it. Do we really need to go over this again. You don't even have the right Mercedes' listed, the parts came from the W210 E-Class, not the W220 or W211.

Sure they could have re-designed a lot of it, but the roots/bones are NOT Italian, they're a German/American hybrid mix. That was the point. Now you're saying European, that could be anything, anywhere, far from being just "Italian" as you first stated.

The Renault Premier and Dodge Monaco were FWD junk and nothing like the German hardware Chrysler got from Mercedes-Benz. The 2004 onwards Chrysler 300 and its relatives are RWD based and share nothing with that FWD Junk Chrysler used to build.

M

 

[KiwiRob]

Sorry Merc1 you are wrong, 5 minutes trolling the internet will give you the correct answers. AMC Eagle, Renault Premier platform turned into the LH, which then morphed into the LX, it was very easy to do what Chrysler did as the AMC/Renault platform had longitudinal engines with the gearbox out back, made it very easy to convert to RWD, that's a fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LH_platform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LX_platform

read the last paragraph

http://www.allpar.com/model/premier.html

page 9

http://www.automobear.com/PDFs/AutomoBear - The Chrysler-AMC-Renault story.pdf

 

[Merc1]

Sorry Merc1 you are wrong, 5 minutes trolling the internet will give you the correct answers. AMC Eagle, Renault Premier platform turned into the LH, which then morphed into the LX, it was very easy to do what Chrysler did as the AMC/Renault platform had longitudinal engines with the gearbox out back, made it very easy to convert to RWD, that's a fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LH_platform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LX_platform

read the last paragraph

http://www.allpar.com/model/premier.html

page 9

http://www.automobear.com/PDFs/AutomoBear - The Chrysler-AMC-Renault story.pdf

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, you do realize that right?

A FWD platform does not morph into a RWD platform. That has never been done that I know of.

Use your common sense here. The information is wrong. LOOK AT THE CARS! Look at the Chrysler 300 and then look at this Maserati. They are identical right down the the switchgear, just better finishes in the Maserati. Then look at the Chrysler and the W210 E-Class. Same seats, hard points, dash position, everything.

Sorry your information is wrong. Your Allpar link doesn't say squat.


It is really funny how Chrysler apologist always try to downplay the role Mercedes had in giving Chrysler the most versatile and the best platform they have ever had.

I'm telling you to LOOK under the cars. Wikipedia is hardly the last word on anything. I can find errors about their Mercedes-Benz entires also.


Also, you own links my original point that the bones of this Maserati are not Italian. They're a mix of German and American like I said in post #1.

Again, what is your point here? This car is no more Italian than I am, once the engine and styling are removed.

If we go by your information here the Maserti shares its lineage with some of the worst FWD junk ever produced. Clearly NOT ITALIAN.

M

 

[C4L]

"Things are complicated over at Maserati these days. Fiat owns the company, and since 2009 the Italian giant has been partnered with Chrysler. Thus, it's said by many that the new car is "built on a Chrysler 300 platform." Asked to comment, Maserati CEO Harald Wester (a German national) winces. "Naturally," he says, "there are commonalities to reduce costs. But less than 10 percent of the parts are carried over from other models."

In a nutshell, you can think of the Ghibli as a smaller, sportier Quattroporte. It shares most of its chassis architecture with its big brother, including its front A-arm and rear multilink suspension design."

- Motor Trend

 

[KiwiRob]

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, you do realize that right?

A FWD platform does not morph into a RWD platform. That has never been done that I know of.

Golly where do I start. You don't know much do you?

The Triumph 1300/1500 was FWD, with a longitudinal engine and transmission, they used the same chassis but converted to RWD for the Toledo, Dolomite and later 1500's.

Rover turned the FWD Rover 75/MG ZT into the RWD Rover V8/MG ZT-T V8.

There is also the Toyota GT86 Subaru BRZ which is built on the FWD/AWD Impressa chassis converted to RWD.

 

[Merc1]

Golly where do I start. You don't know much do you?

The Triumph 1300/1500 was FWD, with a longitudinal engine and transmission, they used the same chassis but converted to RWD for the Toledo, Dolomite and later 1500's.

Rover turned the FWD Rover 75/MG ZT into the RWD Rover V8/MG ZT-T V8.

There is also the Toyota GT86 Subaru BRZ which is built on the FWD/AWD Impressa chassis converted to RWD.

Chrysler didn't take a FWD platform and make a 300 and then a Maserati out of it. Period.

If that were true then you're telling me that these new Masers are based on a FWD junk?

Is that what you're saying here? Because at first you stated that the bones were Italian.

You stated that the bones of this car were Italian, now you're trying to say that they're basically the same FWD junk that Chrysler built for years.

All of this in an attempt to say that Mercedes didn't do anything for Chrysler and/or to say that someone this car is Italian when it isn't.

Now pick a theory so we can better debate it.


I said I didn't know of a FWD platform being converted to RWD, thanks for the examples. Too bad it doesn't apply here.

M

 

[C4L]

The CEO of Maserati himself says that 90%+ of the parts are proprietary...

Last I checked, Maserati is an Italian company and if 90%+ (the vast majority) of the parts are Maserati, then it would be an Italian car, no?