Giulia [Official] Alfa Romeo Giulia

[savage-It]

I am absolutely verde with envy. Congrats on the car!

Kindly can you share a brief list regarding how you specced your Quadrofoglio?

...The car is just black ,since I feel her more sinister and aggressive, with carbo ceramic brakes and carbon seats... On this car you can't select too much since most is already standard.Then ok , alarm and red stitching and so on but these are not important optionals when I floor the throttle pedal...

 

[hovabongZA]

The alarm is an option ? So there's a standard alarm and there's a optional alarm?

So I guess here in South Africa you'd be better of with the optional alarm and in Canada the standard alarm

 

[TopspeedPT]

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[savage-It]

From next May issue of AUTO (Italy)..It sounds really too good
Automatic version , 1669 kg the weight..

22. Lexus LFA unknown 2:48.52 560 / 1609
23. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) unknown 2:48.67 415 / 1395
24. Nissan GT-R (R35) unknown 2:48.73 480 / 1740
26. Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) unknown 2:50.10 610 / 1621
GIULIA 2'50"21
29. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) unknown 2:50.30 512 / 1437
30. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I) unknown 2:50.62 525 / 1620
31. BMW M4 GTS unknown 2:50.81 500 / 1599
32. Porsche Panamera Turbo unknown 2:51.31 500 / 1870
33. Ferrari FF unknown 2:51.42 660 / 1880
35. Porsche 911 Turbo (997) unknown 2:51.64 480 / 1585
36. KTM X-Bow unknown 2:51.95 241 / 871
37. Ford GT (Mk I) unknown 2:52.20 550 / 1538
38. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS unknown 2:52.23 430 / 1395
39. Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S unknown 2:52.52 510 / 1674
40. Dodge Viper SRT-10 unknown 2:52.60 506 / 1600
41. Ferrari California GT unknown 2:52.65 460 / 1787
42. Audi R8 4.2 FSI Quattro (Mk I) unknown 2:52.78 420 / 1560
43. Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) unknown 2:52.85 400 / 1415
44. CLK 63 Black Series unknown 2:53.02 507 / 1745
48. Porsche 911 Carrera (991) unknown 2:54.00 350 / 1400
51. Maserati GranTurismo S unknown 2:54.70 439 / 1880
54. Porsche Cayman S (987) unknown 2:55.09 295 / 1406
56. BMW M3 (E92) unknown 2:55.22 420 / 1580
59. Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) unknown 2:55.51 355 / 1420
60. M4 DKG 2'55"91
73. BMW M5 (F10) unknown 2:57.30 560 / 1870
74. Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG unknown 2:57.43 457 / 1772

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Sat in a "run-of-the-mill" Ti and Lusso today. Big thumbs up. Was hoping to see a Quadrofoglio in person but they did not have one, alas...

 

[Rainer271]

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[Deleted member 1071]

Oh...fair enough, I reckon.

But this Giulia generation never fails to warm my heart. And let me re-live some driving experiences of my young adulthood. An era in which the brand Alfa-Romeo defined the very concept of the (relatively) affordable 4 door sport sedan.

 

[Cashmere]

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Even smoked the M3 Competition Pack

 

[savage-It]

January-February-March 2017 total selling of Giulia Q, M, C63 in Germany. I am not sure if this value included both M3 and M4 (but sure are included the standard and CP versions), btw:

 

[tristatez28lt1]

The Giulia is just not selling. Really disappointing.

 

[Centurion]

Don you not think sales will pick up as supply grows and people see more of them on the roads? It's a very new car and awareness of is picking up.

The Stelvio will be good at pulling people into Alfa dealers and check out the Giulia too.

 

[savage-It]

Is it possible that Giulia is not selling as hot cake since they started to sell the Stelvio?and when you are at the shop probably you prefer the second one?
from yesterday, at this link, Sergio Marchionne confirms to have got already more than 10.000 orders in Europe for the Stelvio. Don't ask me if it is true or not...but...something to think about

Alfa Romeo Stelvio: già superati i 10 mila ordini in Europa - Motori e Auto

 

[TopspeedPT]

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[Serpens]

Don you not think sales will pick up as supply grows and people see more of them on the roads? It's a very new car and awareness of is picking up.

The Stelvio will be good at pulling people into Alfa dealers and check out the Giulia too.

It's still picking up steam here in the U.S. That being said, the lease deals are not attractive at all. And that's what really drives sales in that segment here.

 

[Centurion]

It's still picking up steam here in the U.S. That being said, the lease deals are not attractive at all. And that's what really drives sales in that segment here.

It's the same here. The Giulia needs a 1.6/1.8L engine to be viable as a company as the 2.0 petrol and diesel engines are a touch too rich to for anyone flirting with the idea of rolling the dice on an Alfa instead of buying a tried and tested German.

I feel for Alfa as it's a very competitive segment. The F30 3-Series is at the end of its life and many BMW dealers are happily selling them at cost price from factory.

 

[savage-It]

that's a good driving...

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[anti-VAG]

It's the same here. The Giulia needs a 1.6/1.8L engine to be viable as a company as the 2.0 petrol and diesel engines are a touch too rich to for anyone flirting with the idea of rolling the dice on an Alfa instead of buying a tried and tested German.

I feel for Alfa as it's a very competitive segment. The F30 3-Series is at the end of its life and many BMW dealers are happily selling them at cost price from factory.

Giulia was not conceived as a company car for European market. In that sense it's unlike Germans. They are going for small number of sales globally but with high margins. Production was in ramp-up process for very long time. Currently they are on daily rate which with current shifts brings around 50k Giulias per year globally. For them that's more than OK because they did not spent for a high capacity tooling. They are expecting higher numbers from Stelvio. And they are on path to sell 170k Alfas this year globally.

IMO, they are playing very safe.

When you are talking about future FCA engines the path is very clear and plan is ON from 2014. For Inline engines we are talking about two engine families. One is based around 333 cc and the other one around slightly less than 500 cc capacity per cylinder. From that you can make calculations about future FCA engines.
So far they have unveiled naturally aspirated 1.0 I3 and 1.3 I4 GSE (Global Small Engines) in Brazil which they called FireFly. Naturally aspirated versions are SMPI, high compression and have 2 valves per cylinder. Good enough for 1.0 6v 72 HP and 1.3 8v 101 HP, both on gasoline. Turbo versions are coming in second half of next year or beginning of 2019.
The other one is 2.0 Turbo for Giulia called GME (Global Media Engine). To be precise that's a GME T4 M variation. T4 as a turbo 4 and M as MultiAir. Variation for American FCA brands will be called Hurricane. I can disclose that GME T4 D is unveiled and that they are working on GME T6.

 

[anti-VAG]

January-February-March 2017 total selling of Giulia Q, M, C63 in Germany. I am not sure if this value included both M3 and M4 (but sure are included the standard and CP versions), btw:

That guy is providing some nice information. Some are much more accurate about future BMW products than what you can get here on this forum.

Numbers should be for sedan version of C-class and M3. No coupes.

 

[Centurion]

Giulia was not conceived as a company car for European market. In that sense it's unlike Germans. They are going for small number of sales globally but with high margins. Production was in ramp-up process for very long time. Currently they are on daily rate which with current shifts brings around 50k Giulias per year globally. For them that's more than OK because they did not spent for a high capacity tooling. They are expecting higher numbers from Stelvio. And they are on path to sell 170k Alfas this year globally.

IMO, they are playing very safe.

When you are talking about future FCA engines the path is very clear and plan is ON from 2014. For Inline engines we are talking about two engine families. One is based around 333 cc and the other one around slightly less than 500 cc capacity per cylinder. From that you can make calculations about future FCA engines.
So far they have unveiled naturally aspirated 1.0 I3 and 1.3 I4 GSE (Global Small Engines) in Brazil which they called FireFly. Naturally aspirated versions are SMPI, high compression and have 2 valves per cylinder. Good enough for 1.0 6v 72 HP and 1.3 8v 101 HP, both on gasoline. Turbo versions are coming in second half of next year or beginning of 2019.
The other one is 2.0 Turbo for Giulia called GME (Global Media Engine). To be precise that's a GME T4 M variation. T4 as a turbo 4 and M as MultiAir. Variation for American FCA brands will be called Hurricane. I can disclose that GME T4 D is unveiled and that they are working on GME T6.

I just looked at the specs of the firefly 1.0l and 1.3l engines and they develop 107nm and 134nm of torque at 3,500rpm. Maybe I am missing something but that's not competitive at all and will unlikely result in good fuel fuel economy let alone make a large car like Giulia enjoyable to drive. VW's new 3 cylinder 1.0l engine is light years ahead in peak power and usability.

 

[anti-VAG]

I just looked at the specs of the firefly 1.0l and 1.3l engines and they develop 107nm and 134nm of torque at 3,500rpm. Maybe I am missing something but that's not competitive at all and will unlikely result in good fuel fuel economy let alone make a large car like Giulia enjoyable to drive. VW's new 3 cylinder 1.0l engine is light years ahead in peak power and usability.

Obviously, small naturally aspirated engines are not for Giulia. Turbo version of it, for example 1.3 could be added in the future but IMO that's unlikely.. But if you ever looked at ePER than you can find something interesting what was cancelled. It says 1.5...

1.0 is very competitive for its class. Compare 1.0 inside of Fiat Mobi to naturally aspirated 1.0 inside of VW Up. FireFly is obviously better and more modern. Sorry VW.