F-Type [Official] Jaguar F-Type

[Kilcrohane]

^Is there a car magazine that's not involved in your worldwide conspiracy theory?

strong rebuttal.

 

[DeDe]

strong rebuttal.

It is. I don't think I have to /or could add something more on this matter. I'll join the majority...

 

[Sayyaaf]

Just a reminder for dB values. Each 3db difference is actually double the power or sound inthis case.

 

[Kilcrohane]

It is. I don't think I have to /or could add something more on this matter. I'll join the majority...

I take it all back! You are obviously so right. I was wrong all along. The F-type is HOT!!!

http://www.xfforum.co.uk/threads/17...ly-Combust-in-Belgium-Just-Like-the-Tata-Nano



Poor old Clarkson's mighty shilling work on Sunday's one-hour long advert for JLR on the no adverts or blatant promotions BBC, all undone by an engine fire, in the lethal, undeveloped HOT new F-type. Karma's a bitch!!

Tata had better bring forward that stock market float before word finally gets out to the brainwashed punters what overpriced deathtraps the 'jewel in the crown' of the Indian British car industry is actually throwing together building.

 

[Merc1]

Uh oh

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[Amat46]

Even ferrari's catches fire, would you rather say the same about Ferrari then?. Though many of your posts were highly informative, I think we should consider this as an one off event

 

[mentir]

...And here we were this whole time being told Jaguar wasn't able to make a credible 911 alternative.

http://www.businessinsider.com/porsche-is-recalling-1200-new-911s-due-to-a-fire-risk-2012-3
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/991/748716-991-carrera-engine-fire.html

 

[Sunny]

...And here we were this whole time being told Jaguar wasn't able to make a credible 911 alternative.

Funny bit from the 991 thread -

Now, however, as it approaches a month with the burned car sitting in the dealer's back lot with a Jaguar cover over it, (they don't want it identified as a P car)I'm losing patience.

 

[Monster]

Remember there was a Mclaren F1 which caught on fire not so long ago? If what Kilcrohane said about JLR is true then I will be quite impressed by their ability achieve such wide control over the entire British nation as well as several over seas publications while still getting people to spend an obscene amount of money to buy their over priced and poorly engineered cars.

 

[Kilcrohane]

Remember there was a Mclaren F1 which caught on fire not so long ago? If what Kilcrohane said about JLR is true then I will be quite impressed by their ability achieve such wide control over the entire British nation

- although I'm ethnic Irish myself, I was born and raised in England. Unless you have lived in Britain for a while, and then been outside, you would not believe just how brainwashed and dumbed down Britain now is. Along with possibly only America, it is by far the most heavily propagandized nation on earth. When a nation can be lied into wars of criminal aggression time after time, the mere fact of saying the worst auto maker in the world is the best is a piece of cake for the lowlifes in marketing, advertising and PR, based in London.

as well as several over seas publications while still getting people to spend an obscene amount of money to buy their over priced and poorly engineered cars.

- that's the power of PR. Take just the example of Clarkson's blatant JLR advert on the breathtakingly hypocritical 'no adverts, no blatant commercial promotions' BBC last sunday.

Take the example of the burning F-type above. Have checked on many auto web sites this morning, and not one has picked up that story; not Autoblog.com, motorauthority.com, carsoops.com, etc, etc.. If the burning car had been a non JLR car, that story would now be triumphally plastered all over the news aggregating auto web sites.

Take the example of the known, potentially lethal fault on the EcoBoost engined Evoque. The fault in the intercooler had the potential to cause death, and persisted for at least 18 months after launch. Was never highlighted in the usual auto news web sites, or made subject to a mandatory govt. recall anywhere in the world.

Sticking with the Evoque, it was also known to those who bothered, that from day one the Evoque had a problem with stability and its brakes. In an emergency stop or elk avoidance type test the rear end would become highly unstable. This has not been addressed by JLR since launch, 2 yrs ago, as it can't be, because it would mean the total rengineering and redesigning of the car - as it is caused by the lopping off of the rear overhang from the Freelander/LR2 donor car, causing too much weight on the front, and too little weight over the back axle.

This has again just been confirmed by a recent comparison test done by Auto Bild, with the new MINI Paceman and the Nissan Juke. The test report below says the Evoque was:

'Die Problemzone des Range Rover verläuft genau entgegengesetzt – beim Bremsen, wobei er nicht nur konditionell schwächelt, sondern Gefahr läuft, mit dem Hintern abzuheben. Ursachen? Balance, Radsatz, Fahrwerk – wohl von allem etwas, äußerst unschön aber in jedem Fall.'​

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http://www.autobild.de/artikel/mini-nissan-range-rover-vergleich-4303221.html​

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The reason why JLR don't/won't ever fit better brakes to the Evoque - essentially just the brakes from a 1,350 kg FWD Mondeo - to properly stop its 1,800 kg plus huge weight, is that if they did, the €55k piece of shit would tumble headlong arse over tit, in any more than moderate braking application - hence why you will never see an Evoque stop shorter than 40 metres or so from 100 km/h, and why an Evoque driven down a mountain road will boil its brakes - better to have boiled brakes the PR pimps of JLR think than a catastrophic for the PR image report of some orange bimbo going end over end in her 'premium' Evoque in Knightsbridge.

Take the example of the 'new' Range Rovers. Car & Driver had to report that the $100k plus 'premium' SUV has been so little developed that the adjustable lighting could lead to potentially lethal crashes - where the undeveloped system responded to yard lights, cutting the main beam lights unexpectedly at speed.

'The automatic high-beam dimmers, for starters, accurately reverted to low for oncoming headlights but did the same for random street lights, front-yard floodlights, and highly reflective signs.'​

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-land-rover-range-rover-supercharged-road-test-review

And then there's the glossed over by the media poor Euro NCAP for the R/Rover, where the seats caused whiplash and the side impact pole test caused 'marginal' readings not seen in a €20k euro econobox, like a new Skoda Octavia.

And so it goes on.

Fine, let the muppets who buy this dangerous garbage carry on. Survival of the fittest and all that. Serves to clean up the gene pool.

But please spare us - the ones who think their way through the nauseating PR crap - that there isn't an agenda - a conspiracy if you wish to call it that - to promote these shitheaps, due to the huge advertisng spend, which keeps so many venal, terminally untalented hacks round the world in a well remunerated livelihood - beats working for a living - and the deeper motive, that of doing down the perennially uber successful, over-achieving Krauts, in turn born of a visceral hatred by many in the anglo-saxon sphere, based in London, NYC and LA, for the Germans and Germany. If you can't beat them with hard work, a deep love of nature, science, engineering and material manipulation, supported by an ordered society with mutual respect for the lowest worker, then do it by smear, brainwashing, and above all lies, lies and lies again. That's what it's all about.

 

[rollo]

^

It truly is unforunate that you insist on including stereotypical nonsense in your posts. You actually make some very good points. I agree with you for instance regarding your distaste for the "nauseating PR crap", but that crap is not just isolated to JLR. The German car companies are guilty of same.

 

[Giannis]

I'll have to agree with rurella, K!

Oftentimes you have great arguments, backed up with quotes from respected publications. Why on earth, do you need to stereotype people that much, though?

 

[martinbo]

Ok, by my account, minus points for stereotyping and plus points for great writing and plus points for engaging the reader and plus points for giving food for thought and plus points for making me come into a thread whenever I see "last post: Kilcrohane".

I don't agree with everything he has to say but boy do I enjoy thinking about what he has to say. I have never looked at a product with such scepticism - am I being brainwashed or enlightened? I think the F-Type is mutton dressed up as lamb. My friend who let me take his brand new Cayman S for an extended spin thinks the same thing. That's why he spent the money on the Porsche instead of waiting for the F-Type for his sports car fix.

 

[Deckhook]

Take the example of the burning F-type above. Have checked on many auto web sites this morning, and not one has picked up that story; not Autoblog.com, motorauthority.com, carsoops.com, etc, etc.. If the burning car had been a non JLR car, that story would now be triumphally plastered all over the news aggregating auto web sites.

At times you come up with real logical remarks and then destroy all your credibility with the above BS.

P.S.
Martin I think the majority of us would chose the Cayman but by all accounts there is real fun to be had with the F-Type. Think of the Porsche like a scalpel and the F-Type like a big bowie knife.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

@Kilcrohane I thoroughly enjoy your thought provoking posts. But you're selling us Aussies short. We're just as blinded, if not more so.

 

[Hofmeister]

Mods should create an "ambivalent" rating, just for Kilcrohane's posts, @ admin...?

 

[mentir]

Take the example of the burning F-type above. Have checked on many auto web sites this morning, and not one has picked up that story; not Autoblog.com, motorauthority.com, carsoops.com, etc, etc.. If the burning car had been a non JLR car, that story would now be triumphally plastered all over the news aggregating auto web sites.

The reality is that, much like the R8 that caught fire while driving in a parade a few months ago, or the 991 engine fire I linked above, these are non-stories and anecdotes. Your claim above about the story being suppressed isn't even true; I first saw it on Jalopnik.com, linking to the original story from 'Gazet Van Antwerpen', Monday morning. In fact, given how predictable you have become, I was surprised it took a whole day for you to post it over here.

Jaguar F-Type Just Completely Melts in Belgian Fire

Well, now we know what the "F" in Jaguar F-Type stands for: flambé. As if pretending to be an Italian exotic, one of Jaaaaaag's new sports cars burned spectacularly overnight in Belgium.

jalopnik.com

Take the example of the 'new' Range Rovers. Car & Driver had to report that the $100k plus 'premium' SUV has been so little developed that the adjustable lighting could lead to potentially lethal crashes - where the undeveloped system responded to yard lights, cutting the main beam lights unexpectedly at speed.

You're projecting your prejudices onto that review. Car & Driver never calls the system dangerous or infers that it could lead to lethal crashes. The automatic high-beam assist activates the high beams when ambient lighting is low. It will turn off the high-beams when approaching a vehicle, in the presence of oncoming traffic, while driving through a lit tunnel or under a street light, etc. The low beams remain on regardless, so while C&D note the quirkiness of the system (in the same breath as claiming to have a hard time finding the interior door handles?), the system itself is hardly more dangerous than normal night driving.

Or to put it this way, here is an example for you of what you might call another "$100k plus 'premium'" car with a lighting system so "little developed that the adjustable lighting could lead to potentially lethal crashes"

This W221 owner must have been terrified...

Mercedes adaptive high beam assistant is too sensitive - MBWorld.org Forums

S-Class (W221) - Mercedes adaptive high beam assistant is too sensitive - Can these auto-high beam sensor be adjusted by the dealer to be less sensitive? Mine dips for every reflective street sign...

mbworld.org

 

[rollo]

Ok, by my account, minus points for stereotyping and plus points for great writing and plus points for engaging the reader and plus points for giving food for thought and plus points for making me come into a thread whenever I see "last post: Kilcrohane".

I don't agree with everything he has to say but boy do I enjoy thinking about what he has to say. I have never looked at a product with such scepticism - am I being brainwashed or enlightened? I think the F-Type is mutton dressed up as lamb. My friend who let me take his brand new Cayman S for an extended spin thinks the same thing. That's why he spent the money on the Porsche instead of waiting for the F-Type for his sports car fix.

Great writing, engaging, food for thought and wanting to read anything posted by K? All of the aforementioned do not excuse his unacceptable rants laced with stereotypes and racist overtones. Your tolerance and logic for same is really sad. Maybe you would be less tolerant if the South African's were the target of his rage instead of the English and Americans?

 

[martinbo]

C'mon rurella, you continue to personalise any disagreement with what I say and then vilify me. Once again, you only choose aspects of my posts prior to handing down judgement. Next time I urge you to unpack my words more thoroughly. Did I not say minus points for stereotyping?

I look at the quality of the discussion as a whole, the level of interest and information imparted and the ensuing counter arguments. Example: look at Mentir's fine response that challenges the claims presented supposedly as fact. Controversial opinion stirs up the debate.

Now, I don't necessarily condone such a patent distaste for the British car industry nor such vociferous criticism of the supposed hack shills who allegedly aid and abet the whole marketing process but along with many other members I am able to extract and process what I deem to be meaningful, factual and informative. And, to look forward to those responses that are actually meritorious in the context of a discussion about cars, like Mentir's.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Jaguar will send an expert to investigate the case

A Jaguar F-Type caught fire and burned almost completely in Herentals, Belgium.
Only eight F-Type models have been delivered up until now in Belgium, but only seven of them are on the road since one of the cars burned on the E313. The driver spotted "a defect in the vehicle" and decided to pull off the highway. When he got out of the car the F-Type ignited and burned almost entirely before the fire department arrived.
Jaguar representative Isabelle Michiels said "something like this has never happened. We are puzzled." She added the company will send an expert from UK to investigate what went wrong. The only good news is nobody was hurt after the F-Type turned into a fireball.

Source: nieuwsblad.be