Huracán [2014-2024] [Official] Lamborghini Huracan LP610-4

[WBarnes]

Standard Huracan does 2.8 sec to 100kph on average run. So you will be looking at 2.5-6 sec to 100 kph. It will be the Italian Viper ACR, minus no effect on top end speed from the downforce.

6:52 is pretty insane for a Super Sports Car. Watch Salomondorin and a pair of others talk lots of nonsense when it becomes official (If it does).

Yeah. There'll be so many cry babies saying, "it's not legit, they cheated," then Solomondrin will lap it slower than Graham Rahal has lapped a Vauxhall Corsa just to prove it's not legit.

 

[kingjr9000]

Salmon's already on it

 

[Monster]

Salmon's already on it

Our skepticism of the 991 R is confirmed. Porsche milked the hell out of their loyal customers .

 

[kingjr9000]

seems that lambo is going to be posting a video soon. from lamborghiniks on instagram:
Do you have any proof? I guarantee that they have NOT lied about the lap times. In fact, they provided video of SV lap and they will do the same with the Performante. So, what is there to dispute?

 

[kingjr9000]

 

[WBarnes]

Salmon's already on it

And he's really one to be determining the validity of lap times isn't he?

 

[WBarnes]

Our skepticism of the 991 R is confirmed. Porsche milked the hell out of their loyal customers .

Crazy thing is that 997 GT3 RSs are still on sale for £200k despite a manual GT3/GT3RS coming. £530k for a 997 4.0! Crazy herd mentality, sometimes things just go up because they're going up and once a pattern is established, it just continues illogically until something major occurs.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Category=used-cars&M=1048&SortOptions=PriceHighToLow

 

[kingjr9000]

An info dump compilation from LP, made up of stuff we already know and a bit we don't:


640 HP, no more, but it's an extreme car, focused just on destroying lap time record on an handling track and on top performances.


Both of the early reviews released are useless. Could've been written by someone who just went to the preview , with lots of information and did not actually drive the car. Zero insight as to how the car handles. 5 words on the SPORT mode in ANIMA which is a 'drift mode setting'!? These are very crucial and important things to describe when testdriving a car! A short comparison to the king of driving and driftable cars (458 Speciale) would've been great. Shocking and disappointing reviews by so called "professionals".

Front bumper has several layers, a tiny bit messy but it's effect for the new aerodynamics. Front-on view is VERY aggressive!! Monster. Low, wide, flat. Reminds me of Murci SV, actually come to think of it.

Not a two-tone colour, which some mock-ups seems to have. Nor was it mentioned as an option, although with ad personam sure you can get anything.

Rear Diffusor is serious business, the high exhaust pipes (like on 430 Scuderia, in terms of positioning) look like cannons! AWESOME!

Side view, as many spy pics are, looks fantastic as well. Exactly how a big boy Lamborghini should look.

Wing, as you can actually see in the spy pics, is very steep. I was surprised how steep it is angled. I think the wing looks fantastic. Works very well in the design , and is very trick, pretty much what has been explained in those early driving review articles.

The rear engine clamshell drops in quiet deep (close to engine), which I'm certain is for the air-flow for that trick wing.

It is a beast. 640hp. Cold start and idle, it sounded DEVILISHLY ANGRY!! Those poor Turbo cars sound like a Prius in comparison.

SPORT mode, was dubbed a drift fun mode, yet no quote on actual power distribution 'limits' between front and rear driven axles. CORSA => full attack mode, where electric steering will be totally linear, NOT variable. I would still get it without the electric steering.


If I had to describe the car in three words they would be purposeful refined aggression.

The car doesn't look drastically different from the standard Huracan (expect lots of initial bitching LOL) the changes are subtle, neat and refined but the subtle changes make it look phenomenal to me, it's not Aventador SV crazy looking, it has it's own unique identity, it's a grown up Huracan ready to kick some serious ass!

The car we viewed was presented in green, one of my least favorite colors, had it been painted in a color which I like I probably would've stolen the keys and try to drive away in it LOL

As I said it looks purposeful, ready to pounce, looks fast just standing still and at the same time not over the top.

The rear end looks sensational to me, I love it, the whole rear diffuser, the wing, the rear decklid, the vents in the lid, the details are incredible, I wish it wasn't reverse parked that close to a wall, I wanted to see it from the distance, I bet it will look even better.

On a separate note I will take back whatever I said about the carbon fibre plywood, I am sure some will still hate it as I used to but for some reason whatever they've done with it just works, the way they combined it with the black plastic and painted surfaces it just looks fantastic.

The interior is so good, all plastic gone and lots of carbon and alcantara everywhere, I love the sports carbon seats, I wish they used the compressed carbon fiber for them rather than the standard carbon it would've matched the rest of the interior carbon better but that's just nitpicking, the infotainment/dash display will be a hit with everyone, the dash display changes according to the driving mode with a very cool display in Corsa, overall a great place to be in.

They talked a lot about the tech which went into this car, I won't get into it because I don't want to spoil it for anyone, all I can say is WOW, this thing will be a weapon and I can not wait to drive it.

I hope I said a lot without saying too much for more than one reason, one of them being the respect I have for Lamborghini not trying to interfere with the way they want to present their product to their customers, second I don't want to spoil it for anyone, raise or lower expectations, it's better if everyone waits to experience it for themselves preferably live and behind the wheel, also all my comments are in my opinion only!

All I can say is that you wont look at a Ferrari, McLaren or a Porsche in the same manner you looked at them before if at all and they better watch their backs.

I think Lamborghini wanted a track weapon, hence the name Performante, I personally think they've done a fantastic job and they have a real monster on their hands. I can not wait for the next chapter!


just got back from seeing the car today at 12pm in los angeles. they make you sign some massive NDA, and i know they're on the forums (cause we were talking about it today... so i can't say much. a lot of the speculation on the other thread about active aero, etc are all pretty spot on.

that being said, the car is TRULY special. prior to the Performante, i've always felt like lamborghini's were about lifestyle, flash, and the attention (looks). yes, i know it's a SUPER powerful car, but i've been biased to think that mclaren takes the cake when it comes to technical performance or being a "driver's" car... but this Performante, specially at it's supposed price point, REALLY takes that away from mclaren in my opinion. if someone asked me (prior today's presentation) what would be your #1 favorite driver's car under $400k, i would have said 675LT without really any hesitation. but now, for a pretty significant chunk of change BELOW that mark, i REALLY think the new Huracan Performante is the NEW benchmark when it comes to PERFORMANCE/Driver's car! truly truly special. lambo's R&D team were NOT messing around with this car.

went to see it today as well.. I had a chance to discuss at length one of the senior engineer that made his presentation. Interesting to note he was part of the diablo se30 back in the day... The Performante he says development took 2 years and he was really proud of the results and what they achieved. Given concept of the aero was thought up years before, kudos to the engineers as they are making great strides. Without saying further, there is a visual element shared with the se30. Good car and I would seriously consider this once I have chance to test drive it and compare to normal huracan in the future.ent to the event.. I'm not sure which I enjoyed more: getting to see the car, or getting lots of 1-on-1 time with C-Suite Lambo execs. Great experience.

This car really is a game changer for Lambo, there is so much more work into this car versus other SV/SL type stuff we've seen previously. It seems like they really have the balance right -- finally giving us the driver's car that we've never really had (as best we can tell), without sacrificing much in the way of drivability to do it.

The exhaust on the car sounds wicked. Normally I plan on purchasing an aftermarket exhaust to uncork things but I'm not sure this one needs it.

I have always been turned off by the rear end of the Huracan. This one fixes that issue, and gives your eyes a lot to take in.

As far as seats go... The fixed Sport seats seem pretty good as far as these things go, but having broad shoulders, I found myself a bit pinched up high. I had to round my shoulders to get my upper back to make decent contact with the upper rear of the seat. They felt better than the Gallardo SL seats from what I can remember, but that was many years ago. FYI it's a no-cost option to instead select the power/adjustable seats, but you will lose a little headroom, and you will gain 50 lbs total.
yep what they are saying is they learned a lot from the program and the SV was 1st generation and now this is the 2nd! great time to be part of team lambo!

 

[kingjr9000]

Another thing, Lambo claims 640hp for the new car, but they also claimed 610 for the base Huracan, and fabspeed tested theirs at 556 at the wheels. So this could probably take the path similar to porsche and be slightly underrated. (My opinion).

 

[kingjr9000]

One final thing. someone from LT mentioned something about the ring:

No, the total lenght is still the same 20,832 km. The modifications made have addresses the safety like new railguards, FIA approved fences and more room for driver errors. On a lenght of 500m of the "Flugplatz" section the track has been flattened as over the years 5 waves have developed on the surface (at the braking point).

I believe that this particular change let the drivers brake later and heavier as the car will stay more stable. In the last years many drivers lost their car there. This renovation may result in better times but not more than 0.7 sec or so over the whole distance.

Also remember, the days Lambo did their tests also other teams were there including Aston and McLaren and none was that fast like the H. Lambo drove to and over the limits till they crashed the Performante into a railguard.

With the idea of different aerodynamic flows on each side of the car Lambo went another way than others and I'm positive that this can be key on the Ring

2018 Lamborghini Huracan Superleggera Prototype Nurburgring Crash Rumored

 

[kingjr9000]

It seems lambo may be getting out of the HP game:

That's how they got the power bump a new air intake and just raised the rev limiter a touch, basically nothing you couldn't do yourself to a huracan , no new internal parts, etc.

Magic of the car is in aero and suspension and tyres not the difference in engine,

Guy from Lamborghini actually said the horsepower race is over and it's now about weight and handing and how it feels to drive.

 

[TopspeedPT]

Well, it's a NA. It's kinda hard to increase HP.

 

[kingjr9000]

LT Forum: Huracan

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Shit that's fast

 

[kingjr9000]

[This guy and his entire post is just simply interesting in response to tougeSpirit's]:

Originally Posted by TougeSpirit View Post
Would you like me to give some back of the envelope downforce numbers for that wing?

I saw you espouse old NASA reports, and drop various random psuedo-technical buzz words (e.g. nobody uses Prandtl lifting-line theory for complex 3-dimensional flows with separation, etc... what century of aerodynamics are you operating in? Not to mention it is USELESS for any sort of boundary layer modifying analysis such as wall injection) plus some non-scientific youtube videos.

So now you've tweaked my curiosity, and I want to know more.

Active injection absolutely works on fixed airfoils to change stall characteristics. It fundamentally changes boundary layer (BL) behavior (and that's why looking at lift coefficients from airfoils without injection is USELESS - so you cite them why?). And you don't need dynamic stall (or dynamic stall hystersis / oscillating airfoil, etc.) to make changes to the BL separation line behavior. So your reference to injection and how it effects performance in dynamic stall is STRAIGHT UP WRONG and doesn't even apply. It's well known that several other simple things can change the BL behavior including aspiration, active structural changes, movable surface concepts, wall heat addition, etc. No, none of the ideas are new but as I have written on this board several times, they are long overdue in the $250k+ supercar world. As an example of how injection works, here is a 2-part paper I co-authored on use of active aero-mechanical control including injection, bleed, moveable vanes, etc. on compressor aerodynamic control.

http://turbomachinery.asmedigitalcol...icleid=1466707
http://turbomachinery.asmedigitalcol...icleid=1466709

Active injection works in turbomachinery (by delaying on the onset of BL separation), which has much more complex internal aerodynamics than those found in external aero of cars and planes. As for Lambo's application, what matters is that the injection works in the flow regime of interest, and that the static components are designed with injection as part of the thinking from the start - not some add on after the fact.

And in case you wonder about my aerodynamic creds (MIT PhD and whatnot), here is my graduate-level book:

https://www.amazon.com/Internal-Flow.../dp/0521036720

And yes, I went and spec'd my 2018 Performante earlier today so I have done my analysis and the car is ahead of the pack on the use of even simple active aerodynamics. As for the Nurburgring time - it doesn't matter to me. Neither does straight-line quarter-mile speed (save the time slip).

What does tweak me is arm-chair aerodynamicist's saying that some new technology doesn't work without sound science behind their assertion.

By the way, here is very simple analysis of the kind of downforce even a simple flat plate can generate at incidence.

So that's what a turning vane does...

No need to criticize the simplicity, just show me your math for the 720s wing, or finish what you started for the Performante wing (and don't forget the front flaps). I haven't peer reviewed anyone in a while. And yeah, I'm pretty good at the "maths" as the UK folks say.

Bring it.

MBG

 

[kingjr9000]

Extra excerpt from the next page: FYI - generating substantial down force at most car-speeds is hard unless you have (1) a lot of surface area or, (2) really good control of the airflow. That's why you see massive wings on track cars - taking advantage of #1. The Performante try's to get there through improved airflow control (#2) using pretty aerodynamically efficient methods - dynamic flaps in front and dynamic air injection in the rear wing. It's the first time I've seen this in a production road car - and that's why the aerodynamicist in me wants one.

 

[WBarnes]

Indeed, separation occurs when the flow adjacent to the skin has a velocity of zero, by injection into the boundary layer you prevent this condition arising. Some very interesting developments in this field wrt ionisation of the boundary layer and manipulation using electric fields. There's also more applications to this than just aerodynamics too. Radar waves don't like ionised air.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/9705020.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth

 

[kingjr9000]

more response.

riginally Posted by TougeSpirit View Post
All the airflow pass through tech on the performante reduces drag and is typical tech used in the aeronautical community for 50 years. They do nothing to increase lift/downforce

Not correct. For example, when the flow injection is on in the rear wing, the downforce is actually REDUCED, and drag is REDUCED. The wing with no injection was designed to increase downforce 750% over the base model Huracan. The "aero vectoring" is actually using the injection in the wing, on one half or the other based on which way the car is cornering, to reduce downforce (and drag) on external wheel, while keeping the downforce high on the inner wheel. Pretty slick and somewhat counter-intuitive for those that don't understand aerodynamics. This system, along with the front flaps, is fully active when the car is in Corsa (track mode).

MBG

 

[kingjr9000]

Originally Posted by isv View Post
I'm genuinely curious - do you think the performante can generate relevant amounts of downforce to produce a substantial performance increase given it's weight (ie at least a couple of hundred kg of downforce at your typical track cornering speed of say 200km/h which is already on the high-ish side) especially given the ride height which optically looks nothing like as low as a Porsche gt3 road car (just under 10cm) nevermind a gt3 racing car? I can agree the flaps and stuff will work for drs type drag reduction butit seems a bit of a stretch that they can actively generate large amounts of downforce.

And if it can produce all that downforce, how is the suspension going to not be rock hard in order to ensure the aero platform is stable enough so that you don't lose all that downforce just when you might need it? I've asked this more than once and was simply quoted a whole load of lambo marketing stuff.

Lots of downforce and good road car manners are pretty difficult things to reconcile as far as I understand vehicle dynamics (which admittedly might well be very limited....)

It's actually the opposite effect which the flaps and rear wing injection provide. They selectively reduce downforce and reduce drag when cornering, such that the outer wheel has less downforce on it, while the inner wheel has more. Counter-intuitive I know. But what that does is let the car come in and out of the corners while maintaining higher average speed.

In some ways it is a little like McLaren's brake-steer technology which would have the inner rear wheel brake and help pivot the car when cornering. Lambo puts more downforce on that same inner wheel, and less on the outer wheel, and gets a similar affect of maintaining better average speed when cornering.

MBG

 

[tristatez28lt1]

As a super basic concept, you can think of it as making the inner side heavier and the outer lighter so you counteract the physical forces.